20170221 Late CorrespondenceTO:
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJECT:
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
HONORABLE MAYOR & CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
ACTING CITY CLERK
FEBRUARY 21, 2017
ADDITIONS/REVISIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO AGENDA
Attached are revisions/additions and/or amendments to the agenda material presented
for tonight's meeting
Item No.
3
5
Description of Material
Emails from: Minas Yerelian, and Kathy Stapel. Email between
staff and Paul Rosenberger.
Corrections to Exhibit B, page 2 and Exhibit C, page 2.
**PLEASE NOTE: Materials attached after the color page(s) were submitted
through Monday, February 20, 2017**.
Respectfully submitted,
Teresa Takaoka
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Minas Yerelian <yerelian@gmail.com>
Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:33 AM
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Subject: Fwd: Noise Ordinance Code Amendment
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From: Minas Yerelian <yerelian@gmail.com>
Date: February 10, 2017 at 8:13:21 AM PST
To: Minas Yerelian <yerelian@gmail.com>
Cc: ellnfly757@icloud.com
Subject: Re: Noise Ordinance Code Amendment
The noise ordinance is not an instrument or a document to make excuses or reasons for any one to be a
nuisance, the main purpose of the noise ordinance is to come up with a policy a law that is
a-effective
b-applicable
c-enforceable
d-must spell out the penalties
If The City Does Not Or Will Not Enforce the Ordinance Do not waste the time to deliberate it write or
publish it, enforcement is the key to respecting the Ordinances violators must be punished, the word
goes out.
Please do not DOCUMENT the violations issue CITATIONS.
The more the enforcement the less the violators.
Redundancy of policies dilutes its effectiveness and its enforceability.
Remember we live in a Rural Semi Rural community/city and the goal is to keep it that WAY. (Low
Density?)
1-No one wants to live next to any daily continues noise irrelevant of the Decibels or Zoning
2-if the noise is on a regular bases it must be a business that is a violation of the zoning code.
3-Noise should NOT be allowed on regular bases ( like on weekends evenings or during the day)
regardless of the entity (residential or commercial), this becomes noise pollution same as visual
pollution or prolonged construction (nuisance). Regardless of the zoning code.
Noise and pollution must not be tolerated.
Take a look a the noise ordinance in Glendora.
Lastly a Legal Advisory committee to obtain a feed back.
We have a good CC Council we have good PC and, good committees
Let RPV city be a model for the rest of the cities to follow that makes RPV city a leading city.
Thank you
Minas Yerelian
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On Feb 10, 2017, at 6:08 AM, Minas Yerelian <yerelian@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Lisa Garrett <_LisaG@rpvca.gQY>
Date: February 9, 2017 at 4:15:31 PM PST
To: Leza Mikhail <LezaM@rpJl.fQ.gov>
Subject: Noise Ordinance Code Amendment
Dear Interested Parties,
You are receiving this notice as a result of written comments to the
City on the topic. Please address all questions and or comments to
Sr. Planner. Leza Mikhail.
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City of Rancho Palos Verdes
<Feb 21 2017 CC Mtg PUBLIC NOTICE_FINAL.PDF>
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From: Leza Mikhail
Sent:
To:
Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:20 AM
CityClerk
Cc: Ara Mihranian
Subject: FW: Noise Ordinance for Rancho Palos Verdes
Please include in Late Correspondence for this evening.
Leza Mikhail
Senior Planner
L City of <J(ancno <PaCos o/eraes
Community Development Department
30940 Hawthorne Blvd.
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA 90275
www.rpvca.gov
(310) 544-5228 -(310) 544-5293 f
lezam@rpvca.gov
From: kathy Stapel [mailto:kwstapel@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM
To: Leza Mikhail <LezaM@rpvca.gov>
Subject: Noise Ordinance for Rancho Palos Verdes
Dear Leza,
I have heard that the city is considering implementing a city wide noise ordinance which our family is fully in
favor of. Given that the city has sanctioned an event center in Portuguese Bend right next door to my mother's
home (in the midst of a residential area), we feel an ordinance has become a necessity.
My mother and sister have met with you to discuss their concerns about the noise levels emanating from this
center. I live in the area and visit my mother, and I have experienced this issue first hand a number of times.
My mother and sister are not exaggerating when they inform you that the noise levels they are subjected to are
not acceptable.
Establishing an official noise ordinance for residential neighborhoods will set the boundaries. I feel that noise
standards should be specified along with how compliance will be monitored. It is my sincere hope that an
ordinance will bring relief to my mother and sister so they may once again enjoy peaceful days and nights in
their home year round. By developing this plan, it is my opinion that the city will be acting in a proactive
manner as our community continues to expand.
Sincerely,
--Kathy Stapel
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From: Leza Mikhail
Sent:
To:
Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:07 PM
CityClerk
Subject: FW: Night hikes in the nature preserve
Hello,
Please include in late correspondence to the City Council for the Noise Ordinance.
Thank you,
Leza
From: Katie Lozano
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:24 AM
To: rosentrekker@gmail.com
Cc: CC <CC@rpvca.gov>; Doug Willmore <DWillmore@rpvca.gov>; Cory Linder <CoryL@rpvca.gov>; Al Sattler
(alsattler@igc.org) <alsattler@igc.org>; frank.atkin@cox.net
Subject: FW: Night hikes in the nature preserve
Hello Mr. Rosenberger,
Thank you for your email. The Sierra Club has led night hikes pursuant to the City's night hike policy in the
Preserve for several years now. The process requires hike leaders to submit hike routes and times to the
Recreation and Parks Department for a night hike permit. To staff's knowledge, Sierra Club hikes have not
resulted in incidents, and hikers are respectful of noise levels and the sensitive Preserve environment. Some
hike leaders assist the City by reporting afterhours use to staff so we may inform Preserve deputies.
However, neighbors in the area have recently reported noise and late Preserve use. Staff has spoken with an
HOA president in the area, and they offered to have neighbors report more specifically days of the week and
times misuse is occurring. This way, the City can send Preserve Deputies out for more directed afterhours
patrols. The noise may be coming from Sierra Club hikes, or more likely outside groups and individuals
misusing the Preserve. I will be reaching out to local Sierra Club leaders to remind them of the noise and use
sensitivity in the area.
Thank you again for your email. Please contact me with any additional information or concerns.
Thank you,
Open Space Manager/Administrative Analyst II
Recreation and Parks Department
City of Rancho Palos Verdes
310-544-5267
katiel@rpvca.gov
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From: Paul Rosenberger <rosentrekker@gmail.com>
Date: February 19, 2017 at 5:12:41 PM PST
To: cc@rpvca.gov
Cc: Al Sattler <alsattler@igc.org>, frank.atkin@COX.NET
Subject: Night hikes in the nature preserve
As one who has hiked at night with the Sierra Club in the preserve, I
appreciate this privilege and hope that this will be a continued
option. As you may know, the Sierra Club has also provided volunteer
help in maintaining and monitoring public use of the facilities that the
park has to offer.
As for noise at night, I can only speak from my personal experience. At
the hikes in which I participated, the only "noise" was normal
conversation among the hikers interrupted perhaps by some occasional
laughter (I would like to invite you to join us sometime, our hikes are
open to anyone free of charge and they are led by certified outing
leaders).
I hope whatever issues exist can be resolved so that these hikes can
continue. They benefit the public and are a good use of the preserve.
Paul Rosenberger
133 16th. Street
Manhattan Beach, Ca 90266
31 0 545-3531
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TO:
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJECT:
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
HONORABLE MAYOR & CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
ACTING CITY CLERK
FEBRUARY 20, 2017
ADDITIONS/REVISIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO AGENDA
Attached are revisions/additions and/or amendments to the agenda material received
through Monday afternoon for the Tuesday, February 21, 2017 City Council meeting:
Item No.
3
7
Description of Material
Emails from: Ellen Wright; Emile and Veda Fiesler; Paul
Rosenberger
Email exchange between Deputy City Manager Yap and Bob
Nelson; Email from Ed Dietz
Respectfully submitted,
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Dear Leza,
Ellen Wright <ellnfly7er@gmail.com>
Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:04 AM
Leza Mikhail; CC
Noise ordinance
As you are aware the city is considering to create a citywide noise ordinance. We are in great favor of this as the neighborhood
is changing. Not only do we have a business operating next to us under a zoned residential area but new homes are being
added to the neighborhood which are going to add noise, congestion, traffic. This neighborhood has had the fortune to
operate under a relaxed, talk to your neighbor kind of policy but this will change as more change comes to the area.
Do to your urging, I can only hope that we will have restitution to the noise issues we have encountered this last summer but
the jury is still out.It has been good to talk and express our concerns and issues and I think to have an ordinance in place would
make things in a more legal fashion and force the issues with accountability and enforcement on the facts.No one wants to live
next to daily noise disturbances on any accounts.
I am glad the city is moving in this direction to take matters of concern into hand. I am confident of a positive outcome.
Regards,
Ellen Wright
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Emile NID <emilenid@yahoo.com>
Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:20 PM
Leza Mikhail; CC
Tuesday's (February 21st) City Council meeting
Dear Leza Mikhail and RPV City Council members,
We understand that at this Tuesday's (February 21st) City Council meeting
night activities in the Del Cerro Park area will be discussed.
We'd appreciate it if this comment can be part of the communication for this meeting.
With the closure of the Portuguese Bend Preserve ("the Preserve") an hour after sunset,
only permit holders are allowed to enter the Preserve.
One of the few groups that obtains permits regularly is
the Palos Verdes I South Bay section of the Sierra Club.
This group has enjoyed hiking in the area for many decades.
They are a responsible, quiet group with trained leaders that maintain safety and respect.
During their hikes, they keep an eye out for dangerous situations (fires, downed electricity wires),
suspicious behavior, etc., and hence act as a neighborhood/trail-watch-like entity.
They respect the neighbors and, motivated by the concern from some residents,
in the future will make it a point to be extra quiet when near homes.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide input to the meeting.
Emile & Veda Fiesler
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Paul Rosenberger < rosentrekker@gmail.com >
Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:13 PM
cc
Al Sattler; frank.atkin@COX.NET
Night hikes in the nature preserve
As one who has hiked at night with the Sierra Club in the preserve, I appreciate this
privilege and hope that this will be a continued option. As you may know, the Sierra
Club has also provided volunteer help in maintaining and monitoring public use of the
facilities that the park has to offer.
As for noise at night, I can only speak from my personal experience. At the hikes in
which I participated, the only "noise" was normal conversation among the hikers
interrupted perhaps by some occasional laughter (I would like to invite you to join us
sometime, our hikes are open to anyone free of charge and they are led by certified
outing leaders).
I hope whatever issues exist can be resolved so that these hikes can continue. They
benefit the public and are a good use of the preserve.
Paul Rosenberger
133 16th. Street
Manhattan Beach, Ca 90266
310 545-3531
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From: Gabriella Yap
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:28 AM
To: Robert Nelson <nelsongang@aol.com>; CC
Subject: RE: Social Host Ordinance: Your 2/21 Mtng: Enforcement Question.
Dear Bob,
Thank you for your email -it will be included in late correspondence. As to your question about how it will be
enforced, when law enforcement personnel respond to an event where underage people are gathering, and through the
normal course of an investigation they are able to determine that underage alcohol consumption exists, the individual
host of the social event can be issued a citation and charged with violating the social host ordinance.
In the example you cited below, if the party resumed later after being broken up the first time, I believe that could be
counted as a second incident resulting in an additional citation.
Feel free to contact me if you have additional comments or questions.
-Gabi
Gabriella Yap
Deputy City Manager
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From: Nelsongang <nelsongang@aol.com>
Date: 2/16/2017 5:59 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: CC <CC@rpvca.gov>
Subject: Social Host Ordinance: Your 2/21 Mtng: Enforcement Question.
Council,
Today Kit Fox put out the following notice:
City Council to Consider Introducing Social Host Liability Ordinance on February 21st
My only question is 'Enforced How?' I suspect yet another 'somewhat enforceable' ordinance -enforceable as long as party is M-
F; 7:30 AM to 4:30 PM.
Sandie and I, years ago, lived in PVE and had an owners kids host a house destroying party across the street. The PVE police
came, poured the beer out and left. 20 minutes later the party resumed! Police didn't.
Bob Nelson
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From: Gabriella Yap
Sent:
To:
Friday, February 17, 2017 11:33 AM
Ed Dietz; CC
Subject: RE: Social Host Liability Ordinance
Dear Mr. Dietz,
Thank you for your comments, which have been sent to the Council and included as part of the record in late
correspondence.
Sincerely,
Gabriella Yap
Deputy City Manager
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From: Ed Dietz <eddietzrpv@mac.com>
Date: 2/16/2017 7:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Gabriella Yap <gyap@rpvca.gov>
Subject: Social Host Liability Ordinance
One resident's opinion:
I don't endorse underage drinking,
but I'd vote against PV government legislating behavior of our youth
We already have an abundance of Federal and State laws for the Sheriff to enforce, and the City Council has sufficient other challenges to
work on.
i.e.
-Stop the proliferation of cell towers
-Insure PVPUSD doesn't resurrect the solar farm contract placing gas station like structures all over the hill
Ed Dietz
310 I 377-4257
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