PC MINS 20170711 Approved 7/25/1
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
JULY 11, 2017
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Cruikshank at 7:06 p.m.at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Leon led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Bradley, Emenhiser, Leon, Nelson, Vice Chairman James,
and Chairman Cruikshank.
Absent: Commissioner Tomblin was excused.
Also present were Community Development Director Mihranian, Associate Planner
Silva, Assistant Planner Anaya, and Assistant City Attorney Rose.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Emenhiser noted that he and Commissioner Nelson must recuse
themselves from hearing Agenda Item No. 3, and suggested that this item be moved to
the end of the Agenda, after Item No. 5.
The Agenda was unanimously approved as amended to hear Item No. 3 after Item No.
5.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Mihranian reported that the July 4th City Council meeting was cancelled due to
the holiday and that a Closed Session was held on July 5th. He reported that the City
Council will consider amending Title 12 of the Municipal Code to codify language
requiring a Haul Route Permit for construction-related loaded trucks using City streets at
its July 18th meeting.
Director Mihranian reported that the Commission-approved project on Rue Langlois was
appealed and will be considered by the City Council at its August 15, 2017 meeting. He
also reported that the Commission-approved View Preservation Permit related to
specific trees within the common area of the Rancho Palos Verdes Estates Community
was appealed and will be considered by the City Council at the September 5, 2017
meeting. He informed the Commission that Staff is in the process of revising the Staff
Report Cover Sheet template to be more user friendly and will no longer be using the
Thomas Guide maps for identifying the project vicinity.
Commissioner Emenhiser requested that Staff provide the Commission with hard copies
of the General Plan technical studies and reported on reading a recent article in the LA
Times on wireless telecommunications facilities.
Commissioner Nelson reported that he and his wife met with Cal Water representatives
at the project site.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda item):
Jeff Calvagna discussed the cell towers, and stated that under State Law, Public Utility
Code Section 7901, the City can deny cell sites that do not meet the City's aesthetic
requirements. He stated that every one of the proposed cell sites violate at least one
aspect of the Ordinance. He briefly discussed the Federal Law, and the term significant
gap.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. CUP Revision (Case No. ZON2015-001230): Cal Water 5837 Crest Road
Director Mihranian presented a brief staff report, noting that at the last public hearing
the Commission directed Staff to come back with a status report on how the process is
progressing especially in regards to the on-site landscaping and fencing. He stated the
City is working very closely with the neighbors and the applicant to develop a landscape
and fencing plan that will be installed before the Commission begins its discussion on
the CUP request later in the year. He explained that at the last neighborhood meeting
both parties agreed it was premature to come before the Commission at this meeting,
as all of the design issues have not been flushed out. Therefore, both parties requested
the public hearing be continued to the July 25th Planning Commission meeting.
Commissioner Bradley stated the he was informed by a resident that there was quite a
bit of activity at the site over the 4th of July weekend, and stated one resident speculated
the site was being used to dump spoils taken from outside of the Peninsula cities. He
asked Staff if there was any way to verify where the spoils that go to this site originate
from.
Director Mihranian answered that the City can ask Cal Water for some type of receipt or
information on where the spoils are coming from.
Chairman Cruikshank opened the public hearing.
David Hanna read an email to the Commission from the neighbors around Cal Water.
The email touched on the spoils left over the 4th of July weekend, as well as landscape
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issues. He stated he has a log sheet documenting activities that are occurring at the
site during non-operational hours at Cal Water. He also stated that real estate agents
are now telling the residents in the neighborhood that they have to disclose the noise
and activity at Cal Water if they are going to sell their house.
Commissioner Nelson moved to continue the public hearing to July 25, 2017,
seconded by Vice Chairman James. Approved, (6-0).
NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Height Variation, Major Grading Permit, and Site Plan Review (Case No.
ZON2017-00037): 6501 Palos Verdes Drive East
Associate Planner Silva presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the project
and the need for the various permits. He noted that sections of the Staff Report and
Resolution inadvertently identified the residence as being 7,349 square feet, however
the applicant is proposing a residence of 7,348 square feet noting the one square foot
discrepancy. He displayed a site plan of the proposed two-story residence, three car
garage, and retaining walls. He also discussed the proposed grading of 456 cubic
yards. He stated that Staff analyzed the findings and found the proposed project was
consistent with the findings for a Height Variation, including neighborhood compatibility.
He explained that as part of the public notice process, Staff received one public
comment from the resident at 3 La Vista Verde in regards to lot drainage, long term
construction activities, and privacy. He explained that Staff addressed the concerns
and incorporated measures to mitigate these impacts into the proposed Resolution and
conditions of approval. He stated Staffs recommendation is to adopt the Resolution
conditionally approving the project.
Commissioner Emenhiser asked Staff about the drainage and the proposed mitigation
proposed by Staff.
Associate Planner Silva explained that as part of the conditions of approval Staff is
requiring the applicant to submit a drainage plan that will be reviewed by Building and
Safety and Public Works to ensure that the proposed drainage will meet all current code
standards and address the issues raised by the neighboring property owner.
Vice Chairman James referred to the City's Code and the requirement of a major
grading permit for grading over 50 cubic yards. He noted that this project is proposing
456 cubic yards of earth movement. He also noted that the Code says that in order for
the Commission to approve a major grading permit, certain findings must be made, one
being that the grading does not exceed that which is necessary for the permitted
primary use of the lot. He stated that he questioned the word necessary, noting that
one could probably build this house without all of this grading, though it may not be as
nice or provide the improved driveway design. He noted that there is nothing in the staff
report to show either what the standard should be for necessary, or why the grading
being proposed is necessary. In addition, the Commission is to make a finding that the
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nature of the grading minimizes disturbance to the natural contours. He noted the staff
report states the proposed grading maintains a majority of the natural contours and the
finishing contours will blend with the existing contours. He stated that he did not feel
either of those findings were adequately addressed and that Staff has ignored the
language of the statute.
Associate Planner Silva responded that, in terms of the necessary grading, Staffs
opinion was that a redesigned driveway would be necessary for improved accessibility
in and out of the property. In terms of the downslope retaining walls, Staff felt these
walls were necessary to improve drainage and enhance slope stability in the rear yard.
Director Mihranian added that from the Planning Department's experience dealing with
projects of this nature, that being a tear down and rebuild residence and someone who
is trying to upgrade their property, as well as accommodating the requirements of the
Fire Department and the Building Code, that it is not uncommon to see grading in the
area of 456 cubic yards of grading, noting that the grading is balanced on site. He also
explained that Fire Department requirements of access and turnaround areas usually
dictates where and how the structure is sited. He noted that in this case the applicant is
proposing to cut into the slope to widen the driveway, and as a result the grade under
the house has to be raised. He explained that Staff believes the grading is necessary to
support the proposed improvements, however this is a finding the Planning Commission
must make in order to approve the project.
Chairman Cruikshank requested that, unless legally obligated to do so, that neighboring
residents names not be included in the staff report, only their addresses.
Director Mihranian stated that Staff will include only addresses in future staff reports.
Chairman Cruikshank opened the public hearing.
Ben Cauthen (architect) stated it appeared the major concerns with the project were the
civil engineering issues, that being grading and drainage. He discussed the drainage,
noting there is a civil engineer working on the drainage design which will mitigate all of
the issues of drainage leaving the site. He explained there will be pumps that take the
water from the site to the street, so that no water will leave the property from below. He
also noted that the drainage is reviewed and approved through the Building and Safety
plan check process. In discussing grading, he explained that the majority of the grading
is in the interest of safety and being able to access the property. He noted that exiting
the property is currently very dangerous. He explained that the cut is necessary to
create the driveway and the fill is in the interest of balancing the grading on-site. He
explained that the grading creates walls and planters in the back yard. In regards to the
house, he stated that the house cannot be seen from the street and he has worked with
the neighbors to address their concerns.
Vice Chairman James asked Mr. Cauthen, once the water is pumped from the property
onto the street, where will that water go.
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Mr. Cauthen answered that the water will be collected on-site, pumped to the street, and
that water will go down the street to the approved storm drain system.
Ghada Young (property owner) stated that there is currently a drainage issue at the
property, and their drainage proposal is an improvement to what currently exists. With
regards to the size of the driveway, she explained there is currently a parking issue on
the property as very few cars can park on the property, there is no parking on the
adjacent easement, and there is no parking available on Palos Verdes Drive East.
Cynthia Giacomin (3 La Vista Verde) stated her main concerns regarding the project are
listed in the letter that was included in the staff report. She explained that in the past
there has been quite a bit of damage done to her property as a result of the drainage
from the subject property. She was concerned about the pumping of water onto Palos
Verdes Drive East, the dust and noise during construction, and the integrity of the earth
on the slope that could bring more dirt down onto his property.
Anthony Giacomin agreed that the biggest concern is the drainage. He explained that
his property is surrounded by Palos Verdes Drive East, and questioned if the water is
pumped from the neighboring property onto Palos Verdes Drive East, would the water
just go down the street and end up on his property in another location. He was
concerned that going down to bedrock would disturb the soil over the bedrock, and
where would that soil end up. He questioned if a geologic report had been done on this
topic, as well as the use of caissons.
Associate Planner Silva responded that a geologic report has been prepared and
submitted to the City. He noted that neither the plans nor report identify the use of
caissons, however if caissons are going to be used the plans and report will have to
modified and reviewed by the City Geologist to reflect that change.
Director Mihranian added that the City's development process requires a geotechnical
report be reviewed and approved by the City's Geologist prior to permit issuance. He
explained that as part of the review process the City will ensure that construction
impacts will not adversely affect the neighboring properties.
Commissioner Bradley asked Staff if they had assessed where the drainage water will
go once it reaches Palos Verdes Drive East, and if the street can handle that additional
water that enters the storm drain.
Director Mihranian answered that will be vetted in the Building and Safety plan check
process when reviewing the drainage plan.
Commissioner Bradley pointed out that this project is increasing the lot coverage by
over 50 percent, and that if there is a problem with drainage in this area, this proposed
project will only exacerbate it.
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Director Mihranian agreed this development will create more runoff. He stated that
currently there is no controlled drainage as runoff sheet flows down the slope to
neighboring properties. With the new drainage plan Staff will ensure that this situation
is mitigated and the water runoff is collected and diverted to the appropriate storm drain
system. Part of that review will be determining if the closest city storm drain has the
capacity to accommodate the water flows, and if not, an on-site detention basin will be
required to time release water flows.
Chairman Cruikshank closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Bradley stated he was concerned with the drainage, as well as the bulk
and mass of the proposed home. He stated his concern that the Commission continues
to see proposed residences at the high end in terms of size, often 20 to 40 percent
larger than the next largest home in the neighborhood.
Vice Chairman James asked staff if their lot coverage calculation included not only
hardscape, but the regraded potions as well.
Director Mihranian explained that grading does not count as lot coverage in the City,
except in the Seacliff Hills neighborhood and that is because there are specific
residential development guidelines that require grading to be counted towards lot
coverage.
Commissioner Emenhiser stated that he felt the owner and architect have tried to
address the drainage issues at the site. He stated he preferred Alternative No. 1 in the
staff report because once again, the Commission is seeing the creep of size in a
neighborhood, and sufficient questions have been raised in regards to the grading and
drainage. He would therefore like to see the project come back to the Commission.
Commissioner Leon agreed that the increasing size of houses is a concern. He stated
that where one would like to have larger houses is in areas where they cannot be seen.
He stated this lot affords that opportunity, and was in favor of the project from a bulk
and mass standpoint because it is not visible. He stated he would rely upon the City to
ensure the drainage and geotechnical issues all meet Code.
Chairman Cruikshank noted that the Commission did not hear from any of the neighbors
objecting to the size or bulk and mass of the proposed residence. He noted his concern
with the drainage, and stated more information could have been supplied to the
Commission in this regards.
Commissioner Nelson moved staffs recommendation to approve the project,
seconded by Commissioner Leon.
Commissioner Emenhiser stated his agreement that there was no opposition to the
project in terms of bulk and mass, and Commissioner Leon's comment that if one is
concerned about the size of the house, this is a good lot to put it on. However, he
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stated the concerns regarding drainage and size merits the project coming back before
the Commission with a little bit of rework to address these issues. He stated, therefore,
that he will vote against the motion, however that was not a vote against the project.
Commissioner Bradley also agreed with Commission Leon in that if there is going to be
a larger residence built this is one of the least intrusive properties from the rest of the
community. He stated that although it is the smallest lot in the area, it may reset the
standard for that area. He stated he still has concerns and will not be able to support
the motion. He stated he was in favor of staff's Alternative No. 1.
Commissioner Leon stated he agreed that the larger house may set precedence,
however it is more than just the square footage of a lot and lot coverage. He stated that
there is also neighborhood compatibility and the placement of the house to consider.
He stated that in this particular case, the larger house is not imposing on anyone in the
neighborhood.
Vice Chairman James asked staff if there will be a culvert running along the bottom east
side of the project that will then feed into the sump pump system.
Director Mihranian stated he did not see a culvert shown on the plans.
Vice Chairman James stated he was persuaded by the owner's comments that both the
drainage and parking on the property are being improved, yet at the same time the
owner is applying to build a larger house so he did not feel it was inappropriate for the
City to ask her to improve those things. He suggested the Commission ask the
applicant if they would be willing to make some minor modifications and bring the
project back to the Commission for consideration.
The motion to adopt Staffs recommendation to approve the project failed, (3-3),
with Commissioners Bradley, Emenhiser, and Vice Chairman James dissenting.
Chairman Cruikshank asked the Commissioners to express their concerns for the
applicant to get an idea as to what would better appease them in terms of the project.
Vice Chairman James stated he was very close to voting in favor of the project. He
stated he would like to see more information regarding the drainage, questioning if a
culvert at the bottom of the slope would provide protection to the property below. He
stated he did not understand why the additional parking area had to be raised with the
fill dirt. He also stated he wouldn't mind seeing the house a bit smaller, but probably
would not vote to deny the application on that grounds.
Commissioner Emenhiser stated his opinion that it was probably in the applicant's best
interest to adopt Alternative No. 2. He stated there was a lot he liked about the project
but there are concerns. He stated that he thought the applicant would be better served
by redesigning and coming back to the Commission as opposed to having the
Commission deny the project.
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Commissioner Emenhiser moved to adopt Alternative No. 2 of the staff report,
which is to continue the public hearing, seconded by Commissioner Bradley.
Chairman Cruikshank re-opened the public hearing.
Ben Cauthen stated that he wished he had more of the information as well, as he only
has a preliminary drainage plan. He stated that he could not, therefore, tell the Vice
Chairman whether or not there will be a culvert. He stated that the Building Department
will not let this house be approved without meeting every code requirement. He also
noted that the City is very strict about drainage. He stated that he hoped that the
Commission would put more attention on the structure rather than the drainage. He
questioned if the Commission would be willing to put a small reduction in the square
footage into the conditions of approval.
Chairman Cruikshank stated that the motion on the floor is to allow Mr. Cauthen to work
with Staff and come back to the Commission at a future date, and the motion to approve
the project at this meeting has already failed. He stated the issue of drainage has not
been answered adequately, as most of the Commissioners still have questions. He
asked Mr. Cauthen if he would be willing to work with Staff and come back to the
Commission at a future date.
Mr. Cauthen answered he was very willing to work with Staff.
Ghada Young explained that the proposed parking needs to be higher because this is
where the existing driveway and hardscape currently are and to move the parking
anywhere lower on the property will result in much more hardscape. She stated she
was trying to landscape as much of the property as possible. She stated that she was
willing to come back to the Commission but wanted some very clear direction as to what
they would like to see when they come back.
Chairman Cruikshank responded that he felt if Ms. Young continues to listen to the
Commissioners during the remainder of the meeting, she will most likely get the
answers to her questions.
Commissioner Emenhiser responded that, in terms of guidance, he felt size was an
issue and would prefer to see something under 7,000 square feet and the drainage was
a major issue.
Commissioner Nelson stated he had no problem with the proposed size of the project,
however he was concerned with the drainage.
Commissioner Leon stated that, with respect to drainage, he would like to see it
addressed at the system level so that when looking at drainage they can talk about
water from the entire lot. He stated he would also like the applicant to address where
the water is going and if Palos Verdes Drive East can adequately handle the added
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water flows. He added that he does not have an issue with the size of the proposed
residence.
Director Mihranian stated that Alternative No. 2 is to continue the public hearing to a
date certain, and therefore a date should be identified. He also noted that, due to the
Permit Streamlining Act, a decision must be rendered by August 5th, and therefore Staff
will need a one-time 90 day time extension from the applicant. In response to
Commissioner Leon's request to have the drainage study look at whether the storm
drain system can accommodate the added water flows, he explained that is a very
involved study which is typically done in in conjunction with plan check in Building and
Safety. In looking at future agendas, he recommended that the earliest this item be
brought back is September 12th
Chairman Cruikshank stated he did not think this would be a lengthy agenda item, and
suggested the August 22nd meeting. The Commission agreed.
Commissioner James stated that if the applicant cannot get a full hydrology study in
time, he might be satisfied with something less than that.
Mr. Cauthen stated the August 22nd meeting was acceptable.
Ms. Young stated she was granting the one time, 90 day time extension.
The motion to continue the public hearing to August 22, 2017 was approved, (6-0).
4. Telecommunications Facility Permit No. ASG 10: Los Verdes Drive, west of
Avenida Classica
Director Mihranian presented the staff report, stating Staff is recommending the
Commission continue the public hearing, without discussion, to the July 25, 2017
meeting because of errors made in the public noticing procedures.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved to continue the public hearing to July 25, 2017,
seconded by Commissioner Nelson.
Commissioner Bradley asked where the City is on the shot clock on these two requests.
Director Mihranian answered that it was his understanding from the case planner that
the shot clock is due to expire on September 1, 2017.
Commissioner Nelson asked what happens on July 25th if the Commission denies the
application.
Director Mihranian answered that the application can be appealed to the City Council.
He stated that there is not clear case law that once a decision has been made and the
application goes into the appeal period, whether the shot clock continues or stops.
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The motion to continue the public hearing to July 25, 2017 was approved, (6-0).
5. Telecommunications Facility Permit No. ASG 33: Across from 6480 Chartres
Drive
Director Mihranian presented the staff report, stating that similar to the previous item,
this is a request to continue the public hearing to July 25, 2017.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved to continue the public hearing to July 25, 2017,
seconded by Commissioner Nelson. Approved, (6-0).
3. Variance, Site Plan Review, and Coastal Permit (Case No. ZON2017-00111):
6568 and 6600 Beachview Drive and 32636 Nantasket Drive
Commissioners Nelson and Emenhiser stated they both live within 500 feet of the
subject site, and therefore must recuse themselves from this item. They left the dais at
this time.
Assistant Planner Anaya presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the project
and the need for the various applications. He stated that Staff believes the approval of
the Variance application can be supported due to the unique location and layout of the
common area of the complex, the proposed upgrades will provide recreational activities
to the apartment residents of all ages, and allowing the amenities to be upgraded to a
height that exceeds 12 feet is necessary for the preservation and enjoyment of a
substantial property right of the applicant to better serve its residents. He stated that
staff believes the new upgrades and new height will not be detrimental as the existing
roof deck was established 47 years ago, and all upgrades will remain within the existing
roof deck footprint. He stated that Staff also believes that this project will not be
contrary to the objectives of the General Plan or the policies and requirements of the
Coastal Specific Plan, as the upgrades will help enhance the quality of living at the
apartment complex. With that, he stated Staff was recommending the Planning
Commission approve the project, as conditioned in the staff report.
Vice Chairman James referred to Condition No. 20 of the Conditions of Approval,
discussing the guardrail. However, he noted in the diagrams it appears the existing
guardrails are going to used and not replaced. He asked Staff to clarify.
Assistant Planner Anaya explained the applicant is proposing to install a new guardrail
to the same height.
Vice Chairman James asked if there is a Code Section that requires the spacing of the
guardrail to be at a certain distance so that a child cannot get through it.
Director Mihranian answered that there is a Building Code requirement on the guardrail
spacing.
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Chairman Cruikshank asked if this project needs to be ADA compliant, and if the
proposal is ADA compliant.
Director Mihranian responded that he was not sure how the ADA Code is applied to this
project in terms of access, and it is something that will be looked at in the Building and
Safety plan check process.
Chairman Cruikshank opened the public hearing.
Chase Ballard (applicant) stated the existing railings are compliant and will remain in
place, except for at the tennis court area where it will be replaced with compliant
railings. In regards to ADA compliance, he explained the various methods that will be
used to make the different roof deck tiers accessible. He stated that from a Fair
Housing and an ADA perspective, they want to make sure the area is accessible.
Chairman Cruikshank closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Leon moved to adopt Staff's recommendation to approve the
project as conditioned in the staff report, seconded by Vice Chairman James.
The motion was approved, and P.C. Resolution 2017-18 was adopted (4-0-2) with
Commissioners Nelson and Emenhiser recused.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
6. Pre-Agenda for the meeting on July 25, 2017
Director Mihranian explained that the City Council has directed Staff to prepare an
Arterial Fence and Wall Master Plan, and that Staff is looking to add an item at the end
of the July 25th agenda asking the Commission to appoint a three member sub-
committee to assist Staff in preparing this Master Plan.
Commissioner Bradley stated that this meeting could be very long, and asked if the
Commission should consider starting the meeting an hour earlier so that the meeting
won't go quite as late at night.
Director Mihranian stated that public notices have all been sent out, and the notices say
the meeting will start at 7:00 p.m.
Commissioner Leon requested that Staff provide the pre-agenda for meetings well
before the notices are published to allow scheduling adjustments to be made.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:21 p.m.
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