PC MINS 20170509 Approved 6/27/17
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
MAY 9, 2017
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Cruikshank at 7:05 p.m.at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Bradley, Nelson, Vice Chairman James, and Chairman
Cruikshank.
Absent: Commissioners Emenhiser, Leon, and Tomblin were excused.
Also present were Community Development Director Mihranian, Assistant Planner Lugo,
and Assistant City Attorney Gerli.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Assistant City Attorney Gerli led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was unanimously approved as presented.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Mihranian reported that at the May 2, 2017 meeting, the City Council received a
report on the City's plans for storing electronic documents and that beginning June 1st,
Geotechnical Reports submitted to the Building and Safety Division will require an
electronic copy in addition to the hard copy.
Director Mihranian noted that late correspondence was handed out on agenda item No.
2; that the Commission-approved new single-family residence on Rollingridge Road was
appealed by an upslope neighbor and that Staff is meeting with both parties to address
the appeal concerns; and that Staff proposed to adjourn tonight's meeting in memory of
former Planning Commissioner Jack Karp who served on the Planning Commission from
2004 to 2008.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda item):
None
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Approval of the April 25, 2017 Minutes
Commissioner Nelson noted typos on page 1, 9, 12 of the minutes.
Commissioner Bradley moved to approve the minutes amended to correct the
typos and was seconded by Commissioner Nelson. Approved, (4-0)
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Height Variation, Grading Permit and Site Plan Review (Case No. ZON2016-
00162): 30717 Rue Langlois
Director Mihranian asked if the Commissioners had visited the project site to view the
revised silhouette.
Commissioner Nelson, Vice Chairman James, and Chairman Cruikshank stated they had
viewed the revised silhouette. Commissioner Bradley stated he had not visited the site.
Director Mihranian presented the staff report, summarizing the original project presented
to the Planning Commission at its March 28, 2017 meeting, and then summarized the
proposed changes made by the applicant in response to the Commission's direction. He
noted the setbacks of the proposed current design as compared to the previous design.
He also displayed a Site Plan and Elevations comparing the previous and current designs.
He stated Staff was seeking direction from the Commission as to whether the changes
made to the current design address the concerns expressed by the Commission at the
March 28th meeting. If the Commission feels the revised design is acceptable, Staff is
recommending that a Resolution memorializing the Commission's decision come back at
the June 13, 2017 meeting.
Chairman Cruikshank opened the public hearing.
Louie Tomaro (architect) explained the main idea in the redesign was to shrink and pull
back the structure. He also noted the rear of the building is now lined up with the
neighboring properties. He stated there is a covered porch that matches the neighboring
property to the south. He stated the roof is now sloping rather than flat, and that the
skylight is now on the westerly side of the building and will not be visible to the upslope
properties. He stated the proposed upper balcony is completely inside the "H" layout of
the home and when on the balcony, one will not be able to see the neighbors' residences
on either side. He also noted the basement has been eliminated. He stated the actual
house is now 3,800 square feet, and he added a 770 square foot garage. He also
explained they are lowering the building pad by one foot with grading and lowering the
interior plate heights to reduce the overall height and mass of the residence.
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Commissioner Nelson asked Mr. Tomaro why the basement was eliminated, noting it was
his recollection that none of the Commissioners had a problem with the basement.
Mr. Tomaro explained the rationale was that the project described to the neighbors
showed the house as over 6,000 square feet. Rather than eliminating space, he felt he
should come back to a proposal that people would feel was a reasonable size house. He
stated he was hoping that the Commission will agree that 3,800 square feet is not an
unreasonable size for a home in this neighborhood. He also stated he understood the
basement was not an issue with the Commission, however the numbers and what the
neighbors spoke to the Commission about at the last meeting was in regards to overall
square footage.
Bobbi Johnson (30703 Rue Valois) expressed her thoughts that an effort was made on
the revised plans, however she questioned why the ground level could not be lowered
even more into the ground so that the house did not appear as large. She stated that the
house is proposed at 3,800 square feet, but there is still a large garage that adds square
footage to the lot. She felt the house on the north is still too close to the neighbors who
have windows, and that there were too many elements that aren't right. She stated that
anyone who wants to build a house from the ground up in this neighborhood should build
something that is appropriate for the neighborhood. She stated this plan sends the wrong
message for the future of this particular neighborhood.
Yantien Wong (30715 Rue Valois) stated her house is directly behind the applicant's
home. She acknowledged the changes that have been made, however stated that from
a height and mass perspective the changes do not really help her or any of the neighbors
on the upper street who are worried about the height and mass of the structure. She
stated that the new silhouette is only marginally different from the first silhouette. She
read a letter from her neighbor at 30903 Rue Valois in which she states she is still deeply
concerned about the proposed development as it will exceed the City's height restriction
and significantly impact the neighbors' views and property values.
Wendy Watson stated she had a general concern with bulk and mass of future homes in
the neighborhood and the potential mansionization. She stated she was very happy the
basement had been removed.
Sherry Parker (30653 Rue Valois) stated that after the last meeting she had hoped the
revised plans would address most of the concerns expressed by the neighbors and the
Commission. However, she stated the revised plans only comply with a few of the
Commission's recommendations and the new proposed structure is still not compatible.
She stated the revised structure is still too tall, and has too much bulk and mass. She
noted the revised living area has only been reduced by 432 square feet, and the height
reduced by less than two feet. She explained it took her 15 years and tremendous
sacrifices to make her dream come true to finally be able to buy a home with an ocean
view. She did not think it was fair that her dreams will be shattered because the new
owner of the house is trying to ruin the neighborhood character, ignore the existing
standards, and handicap her views.
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H.P. (Rue Langlois) stated his home is next door to the immediate south of the proposed
project. He stated he shared the concerns that have been expressed, however as the
immediate neighbor, his main concerns were privacy and setbacks. He stated that it
appears the new plans have scaled back the setbacks to be considerably in line with his
property at the rear. He also stated he has no objection to the patio cover in the rear, as
long as it is in line with his patio cover. However, in reviewing the revised plan, he noted
that privacy is a big concern, and noted a small balcony above the patio cover. He
expressed a concern that from that balcony there would still be a direct line of vision into
his living space, and therefore objected to the balcony as a continued privacy concern.
Chairman Cruikshank closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Bradley stated the applicant has done a good job on this redesign, noting
however that it is still on the far upper side in terms of size. He stated he never had an
issue with the basement, and eliminating the basement has still left a lot of bulk and mass
above ground.
Vice Chairman James noted that most of the people concerned with neighborhood
compatibility do not live on the same street as the proposed project, but rather on the
street above. He stated that he understood their concerns, however there are overall rules
the Commission must follow when considering views and whether or not a structure
obstructs certain views. He explained that ocean views are protected, however the view
half way to the ocean is not, and the Commission is tasked to apply the rules. He stated
that the redesigned home is still large, and is particularly big for the size of the lot.
However, he also noted there are two-story homes in the neighborhood, both on the
subject street and the street above. He stated his job is to apply the laws of the City when
making his decision. He added that he did not particularly see an issue with the small
balcony that was pointed out by the neighbor, noting that there is not perfect privacy, but
the applicant has done a lot to improve the situation.
Commissioner Nelson stated this is 2017 and the majority of homes in this neighborhood
were built in 1960. He stated he did not expect people to build 1960 style homes now
because it is necessary to move into the 21St century. He stated that he did not think the
current home was livable in its current condition and something has to be done with this
home. He therefore stated that he was in favor of the proposed project.
Chairman Cruikshank stated he was pleased that the neighbor to the south spoke, as
they are the ones most impacted by this project. He stated that the amount of vertical
mass that he was previously concerned with has gone away. He discussed the skylight
and the concern for the neighbors above who look down at the skylight at night. He stated
he was pleased that the skylight had been moved to the other side of the roof and that
the flat roof was eliminated. He stated that he was in favor of approval of the project.
Commissioner Nelson moved to approve the project as presented, seconded by
Vice Chairman James.
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Director Mihranian clarified that would reflect Alternative Number 1 in the staff report
which is to close the public hearing, approve with conditions the Height Variation, Grading
Permit and Site Plan Review, and direct Staff to prepare a Resolution reflecting that
decision for adoption at the June 13, 2017 Planning Commission meeting.
Commissioner Bradley questioned what will happen to the two existing trees, and
requested the applicant return to the podium.
Chairman Cruikshank reopened the public hearing.
Louie Tomaro stated that currently the plan is to remove the trees, as they felt it would
open up the views for the neighbor to the south. However if the neighbors would prefer
the trees to stay to help any privacy concerns, they would be amenable to do anything
they can to keep the tree.
R.R. (Rue Langlois) commented on the proposed balcony, stating that when one is
standing on this balcony they will be able to look directly into her house. She therefore
stated her preference would be to eliminate the tree and modify or eliminate the proposed
balcony so that it does not have the visual line-of-sight into her living room.
Chairman Cruikshank closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Nelson commented that he felt privacy would be improved with the tree in
place.
Director Mihranian noted the Commission could amend the motion to include direction for
Staff to include a condition of approval that requires the tree on the south property line
remain. He pointed out that Staff does not typically use foliage to mitigate privacy
concerns since foliage can die and if the foliage is then removed the applicant would be
in violation of the conditions of approval. He therefore did not recommend the
Commission include a condition of approval regarding the tree. He suggested that as an
alternative the Commission could require some type of screening be installed to the
southern side of the balcony.
Commissioner Bradley stated that he still had concerns in regards to the overall size of
the project and stated he did not think he could support the project, regardless of the
privacy issues.
The motion to approve Alternative One of the staff report was approved, (3-1) with
Commissioner Bradley dissenting.
Director Mihranian stated the Resolution will be brought to the Commission for approval
at the June 13th meeting. He explained the appeal period does not start until after the
approval of the Resolution on June 13th.
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NEW BUSINESS
3. 2017 Five-Year Capital Improvement General Plan Consistency Finding
Assistant Planner Lugo presented the staff report, stating that what is before the
Commission is a Resolution finding the draft 2017 five-year Capital Improvement Plan
(CIP) is consistent with the General Plan. She briefly explained the CIP and how it is
used. She stated that Staff has reviewed the list of capital projects identified in the draft
CIP and believes that the City's 2017 draft CIP continues to be consistent with the
applicable goals and policies of the General Plan. Therefore, Staff is recommending the
Planning Commission adopt the Resolution included with the staff report.
Commissioner Nelson noted a typos on pages 1, 2 and 3 of the staff report.
Vice Chairman James moved to approve staff's recommendation and adopt the
Resolution finding that the City's 2017 draft CIP is consistent with the General Plan,
seconded by Commissioner Nelson.
Chairman Cruikshank stated that the only thing he could see as a potential inconsistency,
which was not one of the actual projects, was that there is so much construction occurring
in the City and on the Peninsula with related traffic issues. He stated that there should be
good coordination in scheduling these projects so that when they occur they are not
occurring all at once in one neighborhood so that the neighborhood is not overly
burdened. He felt it was important to coordinate when and where projects are occurring.
The motion was approved, and P.C. Resolution 2017-15 was approved, (4-0).
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
4. Pre-Agenda for the meeting on May 23, 2017
Because of the lack of items scheduled for the May 23rd agenda, Chairman Cruikshank
noted that Staffs recommendation was to cancel that meeting and reconvene on June
13, 2017. He noted that he would be absent from that meeting.
Commissioner Nelson moved to cancel the May 23, 2017 meeting and to reconvene
on June 13, 2017, seconded by Commissioner Bradley. The motion was approved
without objection.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned in memory of Jack Karp at 8:05 p.m.
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