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CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
JUNE 23, 2015
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Nelson at 7:03 p.m.at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Leon led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Cruikshank, Emenhiser, Gerstner, James, Leon, Vice
Chairman Tomblin, and Chairman Nelson.
Absent: None
Also present were Community Development Director Rojas, Senior Planner Kim, and
Assistant Planner Caraveo.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was unanimously approved as presented.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Rojas stated there were no items from the June 16th City Council meeting to
report and that at the upcoming June 30th meeting the City Council will consider a change
to the method the City processes City Tree Review Permits.
Director Rojas distributed six items of late correspondence and an updated map, all
related to agenda item No. 5.
Chairman Nelson reported on his attendance at the recent Traffic Safety Committee
meeting and clarified the status of the Western Avenue Corridor Guidelines plan, as he
did not feel the Option D presented to the Traffic Safety Committee was the one the
Planning Commission agreed upon and voted for.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda item):
None
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Approval of May 26, 2015 Minutes
Commissioner Cruikshank moved to approve the Consent Calendar, seconded by
Commissioner Tomblin. Approved, (6-0-1) with Commissioner Leon abstaining
since he was absent from the May 26th meeting.
CONTINUED BUSINESS
2. Outdoor Lighting (Case No. ZON2014-00320): City
Chairman Nelson noted staffs recommendation was to continue this item to the July 28,
2015 meeting.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved to continue the item to the July 28, 2015 meeting,
seconded by Commissioner Leon. Approved without objection.
3. Appeal of Grading Permit(Case No. ZON2013-00526): 29073 Palos Verdes Drive
East
Chairman Nelson noted that staffs recommendation on this item was also to continue the
item to the July 28th meeting.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved to continue the item to the July 28, 2015 meeting,
seconded by Commissioner Gerstner. Approved without objection.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
4. Conditional Use Permit (Case No. ZON2015-00112): 26231 Silver Spur Road
Commissioner Emenhiser recused himself from this item and left the dais.
Commissioner Gerstner noted he lives within 500 feet of this application and therefore he
also recused himself and left the dais.
Assistant Planner Caraveo presented the staff report, giving a brief description of the
property and the proposed project. He noted that has received one public comment
regarding the proposed project, which was from a member of the church, who noted that
the plans have been reviewed and the church has no concerns with the project. He stated
that staff is recommending the Planning Commission approve the Conditional Use Permit
as conditioned in the staff report.
Commissioner Cruikshank noted the equipment area and the width of the cable tray and
the below-grade equipment. He noted the plans say there is 36 inches of clearance and
wanted to confirm the required clearance, as this appears to be an ADA path of travel.
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Director Rojas agreed the plans indicate there is 36 inches of clearance, and suggested
the applicant can clarify the clearance for the Commission.
Commissioner Leon noted that dimensions, etc., are typically reviewed by Building and
Safety, and asked if this plan had been reviewed by Building and Safety.
Director Rojas answered that the plans have not yet been reviewed by Building and
Safety, but will be if the Commission approves this plan.
Chairman Nelson opened the public hearing.
Franklin Orozco (representing Sprint) explained that the area Commissioner Cruikshank
was referring to is not an ADA pathway, as it is not in the front of the church. He also
noted that what is existing at the site was built according to the plans that were reviewed
and approved by Building and Safety several years ago. He also noted that Sprint was
not aware that the contractor for the previous antennas had not called the City for a final
inspection, and only found out about it when they applied for this current request. He
stated he has read the conditions of approval, and is in agreement with these conditions.
Chairman Nelson stated that the Commission has heard before the dangers of being
close to a cell phone antenna in terms of Electro Magnetic Interference (EMI). In looking
at this plan it appears that these will broadcast above head level, and therefore there
wouldn't be any danger of exposure to the congregation or people who may just be
lingering outside the building.
Mr. Orozco stated that was correct, noting that there is a wall built around the antennas
and there is also an extension that comes out from the church, and the space where the
antennas are located is not accessible.
Commissioner Cruikshank noted that the front of the church may not be the only place
where he ADA access is, as Mr. Orozco implied, but rather the ADA access has more
nuances than that. He asked Mr. Orozco if he had anyone confirm that the ADA path of
travel is not part of that lower walkway.
Mr. Orozco answered that he had not, however that will be clarified through the Building
and Safety plan check process. He added that he will highlight this issue with the architect
and the engineer.
Chairman Nelson closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Tomblin moved to approve the project as conditioned by staff,
seconded by Commissioner Leon. The project was approved and PC Resolution
2015-11 was adopted, (5-0).
Commissioner Emenhiser and Commissioner Gerstner returned to the dais.
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5. Final draft General Plan document and Land Use Map
Director Rojas explained that what is before the Commission is the entirety of all of the
updates that have occurred and been previously approved by the Planning Commission.
He stated that staff is looking for the Planning Commission's final affirmation on these
changes before the entire packet is combined with the CEQA document and distributed
to the public for the 30 day circulation. He noted that this meeting is not the final
opportunity to make any additional changes to the text, as the entirety of the Draft General
Plan document be back before the Commission on July 28th. He also noted on July 28th
the Commission will be asked to move the document forward to the City Council.
Senior Planner Kim gave a brief overview of the seven mandatory elements required to
be part of a General Plan. She stated the Commission has had fifty nine meetings on the
General Plan update since 2002, going over not only this text but also the land use
changes proposed to date. In 2013 the Planning Commission approved a draft version
of the update, and the changes staff has made from that date to present are based on
updated census information, updated fiscal information, updated names, status on
projects, and City Council actions within the past two years. In addition, a climate change
section has been added as well as references to graphics. She stated these have all
been marked with comment boxes in this draft General Plan. She briefly outlined six
additional proposed minor modifications to the document, as well as corrections to the
figures corresponding with the text distributed as part of the late correspondence.
Commissioner Emenhiser referred to Map 14 and asked staff for clarification.
Senior Planner Kim explained that the man-made structure focus points on the map
match the 1975 General Plan. She stated that what was changed to match the 1978
Coastal Specific Plan were the views in the coastal zone, represented by red fans. She
stated the red arrows are part of the 1975 General Plan.
Commissioner Emenhiser asked staff to explain and clarify vistas.
Senior Planner Kim explained that vistas are defined in the visual resources element, and
are general areas where there is a view of a single element, such as the lighthouse. She
added that these vistas could be viewed while walking, driving, or standing, and that the
red arrows in the graphic are showing that in the general direction of the arrow there is a
view of something. She explained that the Coastal Specific Map is a more detailed map,
and for simplicity, rather than trying to make this General Plan graphic as specific as the
Coastal Specific Plan map, staff made a reference to the Coastal Specific Plan map to
look at the details.
Director Rojas added that the General Plan Figure 4 is not what staff is going to rely upon
when looking at view corridors, but rather a more detailed map in the Coastal Specific
Plan. He also pointed out a notation on the General Plan Figure 4 that makes reference
to the Coastal Specific Plan map for determining view corridors.
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Senior Planner Kim continued with the staff report, noting some last minute updates to
the General Plan Land Use Map. She stated the map includes all twenty-one City Council
adopted land use changes since 1975, as well as all Planning Commission approved draft
land use changes to date. She highlighted the minor changes made by staff.
Chairman Nelson noted that at this time he would open the meeting to public comments,
however there were no members of the public in the audience.
Commissioner Leon referred to the Fire Hazard Map, and noted that he had looked at the
County map, and the County does not have the entire City designated as it is in the Fire
Hazard Map.
Director Rojas stated that the entire City, with the exception of a small area, is under the
Very High Fire Severity Hazard Zone, which was adopted by the City Council. He stated
that staff will look into this to see why the County has a different map.
Chairman Nelson questioned how a neighborhood can be in a high fire designation when
compared to an area such as the preserve.
Commissioner Gerstner added that this has a big impact on the City because it allows
those outside the City to control the City in ways they otherwise might not be able to.
Commissioner Leon noted the correspondence from Ms. Bilski and the grammatical
errors that she pointed out in the draft document. He asked if those items had been
addressed.
Senior Planner Kim answered that these errors have not been addressed in this draft
document because this draft was distributed before Ms. Bilski's comments were received.
She noted that in the late correspondence distributed to the Commission, staffs
responses are indicated in red and staff will be making most of Ms. Bilsky's recommended
changes.
Commissioner Cruikshank referred to page C-6 and the discussion of the traffic and
circulation, and asked staff if the information was accurate and up to date.
Senior Planner Kim answered that this information was updated based on the Traffic
Committee's recommendations in 2010.
Commissioner Cruikshank referred to the Fiscal Element, F-10, and asked staff why a list
of all the taxes was taken and referred to as other, rather than listing out all of the taxes
that the residents are paying.
Senior Planner Kim answered there was no particular reason, and that staff can very
easily add the list back into the document.
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Commissioner Cruikshank stated that if removing the list was to make the document
shorter, he would rather the tax list be added back into the document.
Commissioner Emenhiser suggested added "taking into account the issues of traffic
safety" in VR-9, policy 2. He would repeat that in items 2 and 12. He felt this language
was necessary as the arrows in the document depicting where people would be looking
at the views are emanating from places where people should be looking at lights, cross
traffic, and people pulling out of Point Vicente, Wayfarers Chapel and Terranea as
opposed to looking at Catalina Island.
Commissioner Emenhiser referred to N-8 and asked if the discussion is on vehicle noise,
construction noise, or noise in general.
Senior Planner Kim responded that the discussion is on noise in general.
Commissioner Emenhiser also noted that the document refers to the State when
discussing enforcement of noise, and asked if the County should be added.
Senior Planner Kim agreed, adding that the purpose of putting State agencies in, was
because there are State regulations for noise emissions from vehicles in general.
Commissioner Emenhiser referred to N-9 and asked if this discussion was based on a
noise survey.
Senior Planner Kim responded that it was written in response to a noise study.
Commissioner Emenhiser reviewed the section regarding measures to reduce potential
traffic noise impacts (N-10) and noted that Palos Verdes Drive South between Hawthorne
Boulevard and Portuguese Bend was not listed, and asked staff why it was not listed. He
asked if it was possible to add that section of Palos Verdes Drive South to the list of
streets.
Chairman Nelson agreed.
Senior Planner Kim answered it could be added, but pointed out this list was based on a
previous traffic analysis done by an outside consultant.
Commissioner James pointed out that he lives just off of Palos Verdes Drive South closer
to Trump National, and the noise level is no different in that area. Therefore, if something
is going to be amended for Palos Verdes Drive South it should be amended for the entire
street and not one section.
Commissioner Emenhiser suggested adding the entire Palos Verdes Drive South to the
City border to the streets listed.
Senior Planner Kim responded that staff can make that change.
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Commissioner Emenhiser referred to page N-13 and suggested either eliminating the
reference to the California Highway Patrol, as he did not think they patrol the streets in
the City, or say California Highway Patrol and Los Angeles County Sheriff.
Senior Planner Kim stated the language would be modified.
Commissioner Emenhiser stated that in the Fiscal Element in 1975 there was a statement
that the City of Rancho Palos Verdes is a low tax, low expense City. Four years ago that
statement disappeared when then Deputy Director Pfost presented a draft of the Fiscal
Element. He explained that he and the Planning Commission agreed that the language
should be put back into the Element. However, in looking at the current version, he noted
that the language has once again been eliminated.
Senior Planner Kim acknowledged that she could not find that language in the original
Fiscal Element, and the only thing she could find that was even remotely similar was
under the Goals section No. 1, a statement about holding taxes and assessments to a
minimum.
Commissioner Emenhiser stated he will look for the language he recalled seeing and
send the original wording to staff via email.
Vice Chairman Tomblin referred to Figure 16 of the Visual Resource Element and the red
designation on Western Avenue and Hawthorne Boulevard. He noted that there is no
definition of what major restoration means for that designated area.
Senior Planner Kim explained that this language will not affect a property owner's ability
to restore or rebuild their existing structure, nor will it change the current zoning
development guidelines. She added that the city can attempt to restore views that are
obstructed by foliage because of Prop M. She stated that the Element is merely saying
that these are areas that the City may want to restore to look as nice as possible.
Vice Chairman Tomblin asked that language be added to VR-7 to clarify the intent.
Vice Chairman Tomblin then referred to N-12 and N-13, and discussed what he felt was
an increase in low flying planes and helicopters over the City.
Senior Planner Kim suggested adding language that the City has representatives who
attend the LAX Noise Roundtable.
Commissioner Leon stated that the Circulation Element has Crest Road going through
Rolling Hills, and noted that residents cannot circulate through Rolling Hills. He felt the
map should somehow denote that Crest Road is not really a through street for the general
public.
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Commissioner Leon thanked staff for their hard work on this document, but stated, as he
had in the past that he felt the document is over-long and includes a lot of rhetorical data.
He felt that this is a document that has taken too long to update and in the end is not
particularly useful. However, he stated he wants this to be finished and will therefore
reluctantly vote in favor of the document.
Commissioner Gerstner felt that this document moves the City forward, and agreed that
there is a lot of extra information in the document. However, he also felt that there was
even more frivolous information in the original document. He felt this document is a step
in the right direction, is in favor of progress, and felt this is progress.
Commissioner Cruikshank referred to C-55 and suggested that everything be rounded to
two digits when referring to acres. He also suggested replacing "man" with "people" in a
paragraph on that same page. On page LU-6 he noted a figure of 389.66 in the Table,
yet in the verbiage below the figure is reflected at 399.49. He felt the number should
match and suggested rounding off that number. He then referred to the top of the page
of LU-40 felt that the added "in the future" was redundant and could be taken out. On
page C-8 second to last paragraph he suggested a modification to "tunnel system that
transfers water." In referring to the maps, Commissioner Cruikshank felt the new San
Ramon pipe could be added to Figure 6.
Commissioner James agreed with Commission Leon's comment that this document is
much too long, is overly bureaucratic, and has platitudes and generalities that he felt were
valueless. He did not think the document was user friendly and any useful information in
the document is very difficult to find. He felt that because there are so many generalities,
the document can support almost any argument about anything. He felt it was very clear
that this General Plan is designed to be a plan for the physical development of the City,
and not meant to be a constitution for the entire running of the City. He stated there is
precious little physical development left in the City and there is not the need for as long a
document as has been prepared. He stated there are a lot of goals and policies with a
lot of paragraphs and sentences that are not useful. He felt that the City very much needs
a fixed procedure for amending this document in the future, and suggested fixed
deadlines for compliance with the state law and secondly, in order to meet these
deadlines he suggested dividing up the elements rather than trying to attack the entire
General Plan at once. He realized his comments may not result in any changes made to
the document currently before the Commission, however he felt it would be useful for the
staff, the Planning Commission, and for the public if the City starts moving in some of
these directions in the future.
Commissioner Emenhiser felt this document is far from being perfect, however he felt it
was far superior to the 1975 General Plan and congratulated the staff on bring this
revision to the Commission so quickly over the past six months.
Vice Chairman Tomblin agreed that there should be a way to update the General Plan in
a more efficient way, especially with the small amount of land left in the City to be
developed. He stated the General Plan is a very important document and anything that
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can be done to update it and streamline that process would be an important
recommendation.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved, assuming a good faith effort by staff to make the
corrections and changes noted by the Commissioners, to approve this portion of
the draft General Plan and forward the document to the City Council.
Chairman Nelson asked if the motion includes the Land Use Element.
Commissioner Emenhiser did not think the motion could include the portions that the
Commission has not yet seen, but stated it does include the maps distributed by staff.
Vice Chairman Tomblin asked if the General Plan should come back to the Commission
before being forwarded to the City Council.
Director Rojas stated that the motion should be amended, as the draft does need to come
back to the Commission before going on to the City Council. He explained that staff will
make all of the changes, including those to the Land Use Maps and Exhibits, then
circulate the Negative Declaration, after which everything will come back to the
Commission for final review and approval before being forwarded to the City Council.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved to amend his motion to tentatively approve the
portion of the General Plan that has been discussed this evening with all of the
edits and corrections that have been discussed, and that particular attention
should be given to the revision and other elements that will be coming to the
Commission at the next meeting. Seconded by Vice Chairman Tomblin.
Commissioner Emenhiser explained that the purpose of his motion was that the
Commission, unless there is a very good reason, will not revisit this portion of the General
Plan at the next meeting.
Commissioner Gerstner agreed.
The motion was approved, (6-0-1) with Commissioner James abstaining pending
his meeting with staff in the next couple of weeks.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
6. Pre-Agenda for the meeting on July 28, 2015
Director Rojas noted that the pre-agenda for the July 28th meeting was provided to the
Commission because there are no items on the July 14th meeting, and a vote will be
needed to cancel the July 14th meeting.
Commissioner Emenhiser moved to cancel the July 14, 2015 Planning Commission
meeting, seconded by Commissioner Leon. Approved without objection.
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Director Rojas reviewed the pre-agenda for the July 28th meeting and the Commission
and the Director felt that the agenda was quite full. Director Rojas felt the item on outdoor
lighting could be moved to the August meeting.
There was discussion on the view restoration case, noting that these types of cases are
very involved and time consuming. However, Chairman Nelson felt it was very important
that this item be heard. With that, Director Rojas suggested keeping the view restoration
item on this agenda and continuing the General Plan item to the first meeting in August.
Commissioner James noted he will be absent from the first meeting in August, and in
some ways because he did not participate in the drafting of much of the General Plan, it
may simplify things.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:21 p.m.
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