PC MINS 20030527N
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
MAY 27, 2003
App,roved
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July 8
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Long at 7 05 p m at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Tomblin led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present Commissioners Cartwright, Cote, Duran Reed, Lyon, Tomblin, and
Chairman Long
Absent: Vice Chairman Mueller was excused
Also present were Deputy Director Pfost, Associate Planner Schonborn, Assistant
Planner Yu, Project Coordinator Nelson, and Recording Secretary Peterson
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chairman Long stated that he and Commissioner Duran Reed would have to leave the
meeting at approximately 8:30, and noted that there would still be a quorum present
after they left.
Commissioner Tomblin stated that he had not visited the property at 75 Narcissa Drive
(Agenda Item No. 5), and he was not sure he felt comfortable voting on the project.
Therefore, he felt the item should be moved up on the Agenda so that if he did not vote,
there would still be a quorum
Commissioner Cartwright moved to modify the Agenda to hear item 5 before item
3 on the Agenda, seconded by Commissioner Cote. Approved without objection.
Commissioner Tomblin moved that Commissioner Cartwright act as Vice Chair
for this meeting after the Chairman leaves at approximately 8:30, seconded by
Commissioner Lyon. Approved without objection.
COMMUNICATIONS
Deputy Director Pfost distributed one item of correspondence regarding Agenda Item
No. 6. He also explained that the issue regarding view impairment and structures built
to Development Code permitted height would not be going to the City Council on June
3, as originally reported to the Planning Commission, however on June 10
Director/Secretary Rojas will present to the Planning Commission a draft staff report for
the City Council regarding the issue
Commissioner Cartwright stated that he would not be at the June 10 meeting
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (REGARDING NON -AGENDA ITEMS)
NONE
CONSENT CALENDAR
Variance, Height Variation, and Grading Permit (Case No. ZON2002-00388):
6512 Nancy Road
Associate Planner Schonborn presented the staff report explaining that the item was a
Resolution which formalizes the Planning Commission decision of May 13, 2003,
denying the Variance and continuing the Planning Commission hearing of the Height
Variation and Grading Permit to the June 10 meeting.
Commissioner Tomblin moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2003-19; thereby
denying the Variance application of Case No. ZON2002-00388 and continuing the
Height Variation and Grading Permit to the June 10, 2003 Planning Commission
meeting, seconded by Commissioner Cote. Approved, (5-0-1) with Commissioner
Duran Reed abstaining since she was absent from the May 27 meeting.
2. Vesting Tentative Parcel Map (Case SUB2002-00005): 7455 Via Lorado
Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report stating that at the March 27 meeting the
Planning Commission had requested the driveway access be removed from the
Tentative Map Therefore, the Planning Commission would adopt the Resolution for the
Mitigated Negative Declaration and Tentative Parcel Map, adding condition No. 8
removing the driveway access from the map and requires the owner to get approval
from the Public Works Department for the access ingress/egress at a later date, prior to
issuance of any permits on the property.
Commissioner Cartwright moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2003-20, certifying
the Mitigated Negative Declaration; and adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2003-21,
conditionally approving Vesting Tentative Parcel Map No. 26692 (Case No.
SUB2002-00005), seconded by Commissioner Lyon. Approved, (5-0-1) with
Commissioner Duran Reed abstaining since she was absent from the May 27
meeting.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
5. Site Plan Review Permit (Case No. ZQN2002-00528): 75 Narcissa Drive
Assistant Planner Yu presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the protect
She stated that staff had analyzed the project in accordance with the Development
Code, and determined that the proposed garage and architectural features may be
allowed to exceed the height limit since they will not cause significant view impairment
from any adjacent property. She stated that Staff determined that the proposed
architectural style of the residence will not be compatible with the immediate
neighborhood, noting that the immediate neighborhood was comprised mainly of ranch
style homes She noted that Staff felt if the architectural style was modified to a style
more similar to those in the immediate neighborhood staff would be able to support the
project, however, staff recommends that the Planning Commission deny the current
application without prejudice.
Commissioner Duran Reed asked staff how they looked at architectural committee
findings for projects and if those findings are taken into consideration when staff makes
their recommendations.
Assistant Planner Yu responded that staff has to make their findings based on their
analysis, which is based on the 10 closest homes She stated that staff understood
there were other homes with a similar architectural style throughout the neighborhood,
however based on the current guidelines staff did have to do their analysis based on the
10 closest homes
Commissioner Cartwright asked if the new neighborhood compatibility guidelines have
been approved.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that they had been approved and would go into effect
on June 19, and would expand the analysis radius to at least 20 homes
Commissioner Cartwright commented that this house will be almost totally invisible from
any view on the street that goes by and from any neighboring properties, and did not
think the whole concept of neighborhood compatibility really fit in this situation, as this
home could be considered a neighborhood unto itself
Chairman Long noted that in the past the Planning Commission had considered both
more and less than 10 homes when discussing neighborhood compatibility.
Chairman Long opened the public hearing.
James DeRosa 1753 Arlington Ave, Torrance, stated that he was the architect for the
project He stated that the proposed residence complies with all of the RS -2 zoning
requirements, and felt that the Planning Commission should approve the plan based
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solely on these criteria He did not think that the architectural style should be a
Planning Department issue, and noted that the Portuguese Bend Community
Association architectural committee has approved the proposed plan He felt that,
contrary to the staff report, the architectural features are ranch style Further, he did not
think that staff has an appropriate understanding of this style of architecture and
therefore should not make a judgment based on style. In conclusion, he stated that the
applicant has complied with all of the requirements of the Planning Department, met all
of the aesthetic criteria of the Portuguese Bend Community Association, and has been
unanimously approved by the Architectural Committee
Commissioner Cote stated that she found it interesting that there is a waiver in the
landslide moratorium area to allow individuals who have lost their homes due to fire to
rebuild, and questioned why it has taken 30 years to apply for this waiver and if the
waiver had to be applied for by the original owner.
Deputy Director Pfost noted that this application was consistent with the Development
Code which allowed one to rebuild a structure that has been damaged by fire, and does
not differentiate between property owners or give a time limit
Commissioner Cartwright clarified that the staff does understand the styles of
architecture in the Portuguese Bend area, however are bound by the neighborhood
compatibility guidelines which directs them to look at the 10 closest homes, which they
have done in this case. He explained that the Portuguese Bend Community Association
Architectural Committee looks at all of the homes in the community in doing their
analysis
Chairman Long closed the public hearing
Commissioner Duran Reed stated that she looked at all of the properties in the area,
including the 10 closest homes. She found it interesting that the 10 closest homes are
very different from the proposed architecture in this case, however there are other
homes in the neighborhood that are compatible She felt that in this case it would be
appropriate to expand on the 10 closest homes, especially given that the new
neighborhood compatibility guidelines would be going into affect very soon. She stated
that she would be in favor of supporting the staff recommendations with the exception of
the neighborhood compatibility, and would approve the project
Commissioner Lyon felt this was an easy decision, as the Planning Commission has the
obligation to do what they believe is correct and felt that looking at only the 10 closest
homes was not the correct thing to do. He did not think there was any neighborhood
character in Portuguese Bend, as there are many different styles of homes in the area
Further, even if this home were very different architecturally, he did not think anyone
could see the home He disagreed with staff recommendations and felt that the
Planning Commission should approve the project.
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Commissioner Cote agreed with Commissioner Duran Reed's comments to go beyond
looking at only the 10 closest homes. She understood the limitations that the current
guidelines had on the staff, and agreed that the review area should be broadened She
was troubled with the way in which the waiver was applied for as it had been 30 years
since the home had burned down, however understood the waiver was per the code
Commissioner Tomblin stated that he supported all that had been said. He asked if a
condition should be added that indemnifies the City in case there is some type of slide
triggered as a result of this construction.
Chairman Long stated that all that the City was doing was issuing a permit and the
property owner was building in this area at their own peril He asked staff what had
been done in this area in the past
Deputy Director Pfost stated that when a Landslide Moratorium Permit is issued there is
a requirement in the Municipal Code that the applicant submit some sort of indemnity on
geologic issues, which would be incorporated into the Conditions of Approval
Chairman Long asked staff to have the City Attorney comment on the question and
review that particular condition.
Commissioner Cartwright noted that the proposed structure is going in the same
footprint as the previous structure and he did not think there would be much grading that
one normally associates with land movement He felt the proposed home was
compatible with homes throughout the area, and noted that the Planning Commission
has the latitude to expand what is considered the immediate neighborhood He felt this
was a nice piece of property that has been under utilized for the last 30 years, and
supported the project.
Chairman Long also questioned the structure of the waiver, however noted that at this
point in time the Planning Commission was bound by the Code concerning the waiver
He felt that staff correctly analyzed the ten closest homes, and agreed that those ten
closest homes were different than the proposed structure. He agreed that the Planning
Commission had the latitude to look at more than ten homes or less than ten homes in
their analysis He also gave weight to the fact that the architectural committee of the
HOA had approved the design of the home Therefore, he was in favor of approval of
the project
Commissioner Lyon moved to approve the project as presented by the applicant,
subject to the appropriate conditions, with a Resolution for approval to be
brought to the Planning Commission at the next meeting, seconded by
Commissioner Cartwright Approved, (6-0).
3. Height Variation Permit (Case No. ZON2002-00525): 2138 General Street
Associate Planner Schonborn presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the
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project and the need for the height variation He stated that staff had found that all of
the findings for the height variation could be made and recommended approval of the
project, subject to the conditions attached to the Resolution.
Commissioner Lyon moved to adopt P.C. Resolution 2003-22 thereby
conditionally approving Case No. ZON2002-00525 as presented by staff,
seconded by Commissioner Tomblin.
Commissioner Duran Reed referred to page 5 of Exhibit A in Conditions of Approval,
noting that the condition requires that the trees have to be trimmed to a height of 16
feet. She asked if this was saying that the trees that currently exist have to be
maintained at that height or was that also saying that any tree in the future would have
to be maintained at that height.
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that any tree that currently exists would have to
be maintained at that height.
Commissioner Duran Reed asked to amend the motion to take out the word "the" so
that the condition reads "further, trees between the front property line of the residence
shall be maintained at a height of 16 feet above the pad elevation of the subject
property " She felt this would help avoid a view restoration issue possibly coming
before the Planning Commission
Commissioners Lyon and Tomblin accepted the amendment to the motion
Chairman Long stated that he supported the motion, however felt that the lot was really
too small for the proposed addition He felt that the house will end up looking all right
on the lot, and noted that it will be a neighborhood -by -neighborhood decision as to what
is compatible in terms of size. He hoped that some time in the future the City Council
will discuss a set of guidelines that will have maximum house sizes for lots.
The amended motion was approved by a vote of (6-0).
4. Variance Permit (Case No. ZON2003-00230): 27026 Freeport Road
Associate Planner Schonborn explained that the Planning Commission had originally
approved the Variance, Height Variation, and Fence Wall and Hedge Permit
applications in December 1999 He stated that at the time of the approval the
applicant's plan indicated that the addition and existing residence were located six fleet
from the side property line and that the proposed addition would continue that. After the
project and plans were submitted to Building and Safety it was discovered through a
survey that the structure actually maintains a 4 7 foot side yard setback, meaning the
new addition would be too close to the east side yard property line. He stated that
because the project was originally approved by the Planning Commission and the
change results in a change to the east side yard setback, staff believed that the
Planning Commission should consider the modification He noted that the revision does
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not physically alter the additions that were approved, only recognizes that the location of
the addition is less than first thought He stated that staff could make the applicable
findings for the Variance revision and recommended approval by the Planning
Commission
Commissioner Tomblin asked if the existing house and existing walls were built 4 7 feet
from the survey line
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that was correct.
Commissioner Cote asked how the Planning Commission could originally approve the
project being only 4.7 feet from the side yard property line
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that the plans drawn by the architect illustrated
a 6 -foot setback, and with that staff believed it complied with Development Code
standards.
Commissioner Cartwright asked what the original Variance approved by the Planning
Commission was for.
Associate Planner Schonborn explained that the Variance was for a roof deck and to
exceed the maximum structure size
Commissioner Cartwright asked if the construction has begun on the area in question
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that the footings have been dug.
Chairman Long opened the public hearing.
Carlos Amezcua 27026 Freeport Road (applicant) explained that the setback issue
came to his attention at the time a survey was done. He stated that no new
construction has begun, only the footings have been dug He added that the survey
had told him that the way things were measured in many of these homes was to the
foundation footing, which would explain the discrepancy
Chairman Long closed the public hearing
Commissioner Cartwright moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2003-23, thereby
conditionally approving Case No ZON2003-00230, as presented by staff,
seconded by Commissioner Duran Reed. Approved, (6-0).
6. Conditional Use Permit (Case No. ZON2003-00019): 29000 Western Ave
Assistant Planner Yu presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the project.
She stated that staff had analyzed the proposed project and was of the opinion that the
panel antennas and the condensing units will be adequately screened and all of the
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required findings can be made in a positive manner to approve the proposed protect In
addition, staff found that the proposed project complies with the Wireless
Communications Antenna Development Guidelines adopted by the Planning
Commission
Commissioner Duran Reed noted that on the building there were what appeared to be
antennas, and asked if these were existing antennas or mock-ups of the proposed
antennas.
Assistant Planner Yu explained that there are existing antennas on the building, and
explained where the new antenna mock-ups were placed.
Commissioner Cartwright stated that the mock-ups do not have a screen and felt that
when the required screen is placed and painted the appropriate color one would not be
able to see the individual antennas
Commissioner Tomblin asked what type of material would be used for the screening
Assistant Planner Yu answered that they were stealth screen panels.
Chairman Long opened the public hearing.
Ed Gala (Nextel Communications) 310 Commerce Drive, Irvine, stated that he had read
the staff report and concurred with all recommendations. He explained that the screen
would be made of a transparent fiberglass material that will be painted to blend in with
the building
Commissioner Tomblin asked if there were provisions for maintenance on the antennas
Mr. Gala answered that Nextel would come out to the site at least once a month to
maintain the equipment in the basement and adjust the antennas.
Chairman Long closed the public hearing
Commissioner Duran Reed moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2003-24, thereby
approving Conditional Use Permit Case No. ZON2003-00012, as presented by
staff, seconded by Commissioner Lyon. Approved, (6-0).
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 8 20 p.m. the Planning Commission took a short recess until 8:35 p.m at which time
they reconvened
Commissioner Duran Reed and Chairman Long left at 8.30 p m
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NEW BUSINESS
7. View Restoration Guidelines (Review of Guidelines conceptually approved
at Joint Workshop held February 8, 2003
Project Coordinator Nelson presented the staff report, explaining that the Guidelines
were before the Planning Commission and City Council at a joint workshop in February,
at which time both bodies conceptually approved the document She stated that what
was before the Planning Commission were the revisions that staff was directed to make
as a result of that meeting, as well as a summary of what occurred at the meeting with
regard to the eight issue areas that were presented before the View Restoration
Commission disbanded. She explained that staff was directed to look at the issue of
ridgeline and trimming foliage to ridgeline and the issue of view corridors. She
explained that language was added to clarify the ridgeline issue in Section 5(b) and that
staff and the City Attorney had agreed that language could not be added to deal with the
view corridor issue without changing the Ordinance Staff and the City Attorney felt that
this issue could be successfully handled through a Fence Wall and Hedge Permit
Commissioner Lyon felt there was an error on page 26 and noted that the third line
under "b" which says "grow to a height which is" is not correct and should say "grow to a
height exceeding the lesser of "
Project Coordinator Nelson explained that the bold language in the text of the guidelines
is the actual language from the Ordinance She did not think making the suggested
change made a radical difference, and she would discuss the change with the Director
and City Attorney.
A discussion followed regarding the Fence Wall and Hedge Permit and when it was
required and issues of privacy and views Project Coordinator Nelson explained that
View Restoration does not handle the Fence Wall and Hedge Permit complaints, which
are given to the Code Enforcement Officer.
Commissioner Cartwright stated that it was a policy of the View Restoration
Commission to require trimming below 16 feet or the ridgeline for aesthetic reasons, but
only with the foliage owner's consent He stated that there was a discussion regarding
this issue at the workshop and he thought the language was going to be changed so
that it was more consistent.
Project Coordinator Nelson stated that staff was instructed to change the language so
that the foliage owner would be giving consent to do that rather than say they didn't
want to do that She referred the Planning Commission to page 21 of the draft
guidelines, letter "d"
Commissioner Lyon moved that the Planning Commission recommend that the
draft guidelines be submitted to the City Council for their approval, with the one
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modification discussed on page 26, seconded by Commissioner Tomblin.
Approved, (4-0).
8. Ocean Trails Golf Course modifications: One Ocean Trails Drive
Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report, giving a brief background of the project
and the many approvals involved. He stated that at the April 29 City Council meeting
Ocean Trails gave a presentation to the City Council and the public in regards to the
variety of amendments they are proposing to the project. At that meeting the City
Council determined what review process each of the proposed amendments would go
through, and defined, based upon the existing conditions of approvals, that some of the
amendments would go through the Director for approval, some through the Planning
Commission, and some to the City Council He explained that the City Council
determined that most of the proposed golf course changes are fairly minor and can be
reviewed and approved by the Director, while three of the proposed improvements,
including new waterfalls, would be approved by the City Council He explained that
what was before the Planning Commission was for informational purposes He noted
that once any changes to the golf course have been approved by the Director, he will
then report those changes to the Planning Commission, and noted that the already
approved minor changes were included in the staff report
Commissioner Lyon asked what body would be approving the driving range
Deputy Director Pfost stated that the driving range would be approved by the City
Council, as it 1s an amendment to the Vesting Tentative Tract Map as well as the
Conditional Use Permit.
Commissioner Lyon moved to accept the staff recommendation to receive and
file the report, seconded by Commissioner Cote. Approved, (4-0).
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
9. Minutes of May 13, 2003
Commissioner Tomblin clarified a statement on page 21 of the minutes
Commissioner Cartwright clarified statements on page 3 and page 21 of the minutes.
Commissioner Tomblin moved to adopt the minutes as amended, seconded by
Commissioner Lyon. Approved, (4-0).
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
10. Pre -Agenda for the meeting of June 10, 2003
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Commissioner Tomblin noted that he would be late for the June 10 meeting and
suggested that the minutes be heard first so that he could participate in the hearings for
the other projects
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9.25 p m
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