PC MINS 20030408IN
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 8, 2003
Approved
April 3
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Long at 7 06 p m. at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Director/Secretary Rojas led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present- Commissioners Cartwright, Cote, Duran Reed, Lyon, Tomblin, Chairman
Long
Absent- Vice Chairman Mueller was excused
Also present were Director of Planning, Building, and Code Enforcement Rous, Senior
Planner Mihranian, Associate Planner Blumenthal, and Recording Secretary Peterson
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Cartwright moved to amend the agenda to hear items 3, 1, 2, 4, 5,
6, and 7, seconded by Commissioner Cote. Approved, (6-0).
COMMUNICATIONS
Director/Secretary Rojas distributed suggested changes to the minutes that were e-
mailed to staff by Commissioner Duran Reed
Commissioner Cote updated the Commission on the General Plan Steering Committee
K*Jhi
'i •� • �i
3. Coastal Permit, Grading, Variance, and Site Plan Review Permit (Case
ZON2002-00189): 8 Seacove Drive
Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report. He explained the scope of the
project and the need for the specific applications. He stated that staff had found that all
findings for the applications could be made and therefore was recommending approval,
,subject to the conditions of approval
Commissioner Tomblin asked staff if any future restructuring of the property line at the
adjoining property would likely trigger the need to expand the driveway.
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that staff felt that since the neighboring
property is undevelopable due to the coastal setback me and the Open Space Hazard
Zone, there would not be a need to expand the driveway.
Commissioner Cartwright asked if structure setback line ran parallel with the coastal
setback line.
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that it does run parallel with the coastal
setback line
Chairman Long opened the public hearing.
William Swank 8 Seacove Drive (applicant) stated that in designing the project the
architect had tried to be very sensitive to the character of the neighborhood by just
updating the house and not changing it He stated that he was available for any
questions from the Planning Commission
Eric Lloyd Wright 24680 Piuma Rd stated that he was the architect for the project. He
stated that he was very sensitive to the original architecture of the house and worked
very hard to not make any noticeable changes He felt that there was a need to reduce
the size of the pool, and did so in a way that was in keeping with the character of the
residence and the landscaping. He noted that a spa had been added, and felt that this
was a positive move for the property, especially since the pool and spa cannot be seen
by any surrounding residences.
Chairman Long closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Cartwright stated that he had visaed the site and felt that the changes
proposed were minimum and in keeping with the current architecture He stated that he
could make all of the necessary findings and therefore supported the project.
Commissioner Cote felt that what was being done to minimize the size of the pool and
the added spa was a positive move for the property. She agreed with the staff findings,
and stated that she could support the project
Commissioner Duran Reed stated that in looking at the staff report she was initially
concerned about the Coastal Setback Zone, however after visiting the property she
agreed that there was unusual and extraordinary circumstances at the property. She
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 2
did not think that the project would cause any problems, as the project did not encroach
onto the coastal bluff area. She therefore could support the project
Commissioners Tomblin and Lyon and Chairman Long all stated that they could support
the proposed project.
Commissioner Cote moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2003-11 thereby
approving the Coastal Permit, Grading Permit, Variance, and Site Plan Review
(Case No. ZON2002-00189) as presented by staff, seconded by Commissioner
Tomblin. Approved, (6-0).
CONTINUED BUSINESS
Revisions to Conditional Use Permit No. 23 and Grading Permit (Case No.
ZON2002-00368): 2930 Vista Del Mar
Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report. He explained the scope of the
project He stated that staff had reviewed the six findings required in order to adopt a
Conditional Use Permit and felt that all findings could be made Further, staff felt that all
the necessary criteria has been met for the Grading Permit. Therefore, staff was
recommending that the Planning Commission approve the revision to Conditional Use
Permit No 23 and the Grading Permit subject to the recommended conditions of
approval
Commissioner Duran Reed asked what the reason was for increasing the lot coverage
by 7 percent.
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that the topography on the lot, especially
towards the front of the lot, has forced the applicant to push the home a little farther
down the slope, causing the need for a longer driveway.
Chairman Long opened the public hearing.
Nagy Bakhourn 3800 Pacific Coast Highway, Torrance, stated that he was the architect
for the project He stated that the neighbors have been very amicable to the proposed
project He noted that this is a very unusual lot, as along the front of the lot there is a
10 -foot variation, which limits the ability to create a simple driveway and garage. He felt
this was a very difficult lot to place a home on.
Commissioner Cartwright asked if there was an active HOA for the area, and if so, and
he requested input from the HOA
Mr Bakhourn answered that there was an active HOA for the area, and stated that the
owners had taken the plans to one of the HOA meetings for everyone to view. He noted
that they had not received any negative comments on the proposed residence.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 3
Chairman Long closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Cartwright felt that the proposed project was consistent and compatible
with existing Seacliff Hills development, and did not think the additional 7 percent of lot
coverage made any significant difference. He noted that there were no view or privacy
issues, and he could support the project as proposed by staff.
Commissioner Cote agreed with Commissioner Cartwright's comments and added that
she appreciated staff's work in the staff report which gave the Planning Commission
information on what had been approved on prior lots in the development area She felt
that this information had helped her greatly in making her decision. She stated that she
was able to support the staff report and recommendations
Commissioners Lyon, Tomblin, and Duran Reed all stated that they supported the staff
report and recommendations.
Chairman Long stated that his concern would normally have been the lot coverage,
however he felt that the extra seven percent in this situation was justified. He therefore
could support the staff report and recommendations.
Commissioner Tomblin moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2002-12 thereby
approving the revision to Conditional Use Permit No. 23 and the Grading Permit
(Case No. ZON2002-00368) as presented by staff, seconded by Commissioner
Cote. Approved, (6-0).
f
2, Height Variation and Grading Permit (Case ZON2002-00185): 3290 Via
Campesina
Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report. He explained the scope of the
project, noting that there was an existing home on the lot, which the applicant was
proposing to demolish and build a new home at the site. He stated that staff could
make all of the necessary findings for the height variation and the grading permit, and
therefore recommended approval of the project with the included conditions of approval.
Chairman Long opened the public hearing.
Mark Bednorz 1639 W 170th Street stated that he was the architect for the project He
noted that the proposed project is a single story home and does not penetrate the
envelope more than 3 feet He stated that he tried to design the house under the 16/20
guideline, but because the home is a single level home it was very difficult to do so
Mr. Ishimon 4100 Breaburn Drive, Bakersfield (applicant) He noted that the existing
home was an older home and that the most efficient way to construct what they wanted
was to demolish the home and build a new one
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 4
Aftks
a
Chairman Long asked Mr Ishimon if he agreed with the recommendations in the staff
report.
Mr. Ishlmon responded that he agreed with the recommendations In the staff report
Chairman Long closed the public hearing
Commissioner Duran Reed stated that when looking at the staff report she was
overwhelmed by the fact that the proposed home would be almost 100 percent larger
than the existing homes in the neighborhood. However, after visiting the site she noted
that the way the house is proposed to be built and the way that it is articulated and set
back on the property, that it actually would look smaller than some of the smaller homes
along the street She felt that this was a good example of how a large residence, which
usually causes a problem with bulk and mass, can actually be made to look smaller
than other homes in the area, and provide the applicant with the amount of space
required. She stated that she could make all of the necessary findings for the variance
and grading permit, and supported the project.
Commissioner Cote agreed with Commissioner Duran Reed's comments, as she too
was initially concerned with the proposed size of the home. She felt that she, too, could
support the staff report and recommendations.
Commissioner Tomblin stated this was a good example for the Planning Commission in
terms of understanding the situation of neighborhood compatibility and how the
Planning Commission needs to evaluate the circumstances first hand rather than just
rely on the square footage numbers in a staff report. He stated that he could support
the project as presented in the staff report.
Commissioner Cartwright agreed with the comments of the Commissioners and noted
that there had been no negative comments regarding the project from the residents in
the neighborhood. He noted there were no view Issues or privacy concerns, and he had
no problem with the proposed square footage He therefore felt he could support the
project as presented in the staff report
Commissioner Lyon agreed with the comments of the Commissioners and added that it
is really the appearance of the structure that mattered rather than the square footage
numbers presented in the staff report.
Chairman Long noted that the lots on Via Campesina are quite large and could support
larger homes. He was pleased with the way the home was designed and situated on
the lot so that the mass and bulk of the home were minimized He felt that all of the
findings could be made and supported the project.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 5
Commissioner Duran Reed moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2002-13 thereby
approving the Height Variation and Grading Permit (Case No. ZON2002-00185) as
presented by staff, seconded by Commissioner Lyon. Approved, (6-0).
4. Variance, Height Variation, and Grading Permit (Case No. ZON2002-00388):
6512 Nancy Road
Commissioner Tomblin moved to waive the reading of the staff report, and
continue the item to the April 22, 2003 Planning Commission meeting, seconded
by Commission Duran Reed. Continued (6-0).
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 7*55 p rn the Planning Commission took a short recess until 8:10 p.m. at which time
they reconvened.
PUBLIC HEARINGS (CONT)
5. A proposed code amendment to the City's neighborhood compatibility and
roof deck criteria (Case NO ZON2003-00134): Citywide
Senior Planner Mihranian presented the staff report He explained that the code
amendment before the Planning Commission was a procedural process that was
initiated by the City Council at the February 8, 2003 Joint Workshop. He stated that if
the specific code amendment language before the Planning Commission was deemed
acceptable, then staff recommends that the attached Resolution be adopted, forwarding
a recommendation to the City Council. Using Power Point, Mr Mihranian briefly
summarized the process that had taken place with the Neighborhood Compatibility
Steering Committee He recapped the Steering Committee's recommendations to the
City Council and the Planning Commission at the February 8, 2003 Joint Workshop
regarding changes to the City's current Neighborhood Compatibility process. He
discussed the Steering Committee's proposed changes to the Neighborhood
Compatibility triggers and the criteria used in the Neighborhood Compatibility analysis,
which would include side and rear yard setbacks. Additionally, Senior Planner noted
that the existing Code limits the use of roof decks, which is typically used as a form of
articulation between the lower and upper floors of a two-story residence. He noted that
the Neighborhood Compatibility analysis is being proposed to replace the existing Code
requirement as the review process for roof decks that exceed 80 square feet He then
summarized procedural amendments to the Height Variation Guidelines, as it pertains
to defining "immediate neighborhood" from the ten closest to the twenty closest, as well
as the adoption of the Neighborhood Compatibility Handbook, which outlines the
process, including a voluntary pre -application step, for all residential projects requiring
the Neighborhood Compatibility analysis.
Senior Planner Mihranian noted that at the Joint Workshop, the City Council determined
that for the purposes of the Neighborhood Compatibility analysis, "immediate
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 6
neighborhood is normally considered to be the twenty closest homes on the same street
or on an intersecting street within the same zoning district." He noted that the word
"normally" was added to provide flexibility in increasing or decreasing the number of
homes that are included in the analysis. However, he noted that Staff attempted to
apply this definition in "real life" scenarios and found it to be limiting because it did not
allow the decision makers to go beyond the same or intersecting street. Therefore,
Staff recommended that the Commission consider deleting "on the same street or on an
intersecting street " As such, the recommended modification would read "The
immediate neighborhood is normally considered to be at least the 20 closest homes
within the same zoning district " He explained that staff felt this would allow maximum
flexibility for the decision makers
Chairman Long noted to Staff that if a project was located in an area that included two
zoning districts, you would not crossover onto the zoning district the project was not
located in
Senior Planner Mihranian agreed.
Commissioner Tomblin asked Staff to explain what are the different types of zoning
districts.
Senior Planner Mihranian noted that the typical residential zoning districts range
between RS -1 and RS -5 and that the number represented the density per acre, such as
RS -5 represents 5 residences per acre He then cited Commissioner Cartwright's
neighborhood as a good example of an area that is comprised of approximately ten
houses in a zoning district that abuts two different zoning districts
Commissioner Cartwright explained that his tract is a RS -1 zoning district, whereas the
neighboring tracts are RS -4 and RS -3 zoning districts. He stated that the differing
zoning districts have development standards that are distinctly different from one
another
Chairman Long noted that "normally considered" provided the decision makers with a
mechanism to expand or contract the number of homes used in the Neighborhood
Compatibility analysis He referred to the Eric Johnson project on Yacht Harbor Drive
and his neighborhood as good examples of unique conditions where the twenty closest
houses may not exactly apply.
Commissioner Tomblin asked Staff that in cases where a project was in a RS -1 zoning
district and abutted property in the RS -5 zoning district, those residents would not be
included in the analysis
Senior Planner Mihranian agreed and noted that in such a case the Staff Report
prepared for a project would explain that the neighboring properties are in a different
zoning district.
Planning Commission Minutes
Apnl8,2003
Page 7
Chairman Long discussed expanding the definition of "immediate neighborhood" to
factor in physical features, such as steep grade differences between properties. He
stated that although a project may be located within the same zoning district physical
features should be considered in the definition. He also noted that the term "normally
considered" may encapsulate these factors.
Commissioner Cartwright cited the water district property as another example of
neighboring properties with different zoning districts
Commissioner Lyon noted that relying on the term "normally" allows the decision
makers to take all factors into consideration when defining a project's neighborhood.
Director Rojas agreed with Commission Lyon and stated that the definition
recommended by Staff presents the decision makers with maximum flexibility.
Commissioner Duran -Reed noted her support of Staffs recommendation and said that
upon a site visit, the Commission can determine what is a project's neighborhood She
also stated that it would be too difficult to capture all possible scenarios in a definition
and that Staff's recommendation provided the most flexibility.
Commissioner Cartwright reminded the Commission that the City Council found the
term "normally" to be acceptable
Commissioner Cote expressed her agreement with Commissioner Duran -Reed. She
noted that according to the February 8 t Joint Workshop minutes and the Staff Report,
the definition of "immediate neighborhood" originated by Commissioner Lyon She
asked Commissioner Lyon what his thoughts were regarding Staff's recommended
change
Commissioner Lyon noted that he felt that the inclusion of the word "normally"
addressed his flexibility concern and that he supported Staff's recommended change
because it did not drastically alter his original intent.
Senior Planner Mihranian continued his presentation by discussing the remaining
procedural amendments, such as the imposition of a silhouette requirement for all
residential development projects involving Neighborhood Compatibility. He then
displayed the process chart prepared by the Steering Committee and presented at the
Joint Workshop. He noted that the process chart and Handbook have not changed
since the Joint Workshop, except in terms of readability corrections. He noted that the
proposed changes to the Neighborhood Compatibility process will be revisited by the
Steering Committee after it has been implemented for one year, and this will be an
opportunity for the Commission to provide staff and the Committee with feedback on
areas that need improvement and/or modification. He concluded by stating that the City
Council has accepted the proposed changes presented at the Joint Workshop.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 8
Chairman Long asked staff if the recommendation is for the Planning Commission to
adopt the attached Resolution recommending that the City Council adopt the code
amendment language and procedural changes to the Neighborhood Compatibility
,process, which will eventually be adopted as an ordinance by the City Council
Senior Planner Mihranian answered that was correct.
Commissioner Duran Reed referred to page 4, paragraph H of the staff report, and
asked staff if there was an example of when the exterior of a structure would not be
modified with the construction of a mezzanine.
Senior Planner Mihranian stated that in cases where an existing residence had vaulted
ceilings and an applicant proposed to construct a small mezzanine within the vaulted
area. He stated that this scenario would not result in a modification to the exterior of the
residence and could therefore be done without the Neighborhood Compatibility
application
Commissioner Duran Reed proposed the following modification to the trigger language
found on page 4 paragraph D "The cumulative addition to existing single family
residence that results in the greater of either a 25 percent or 750 square foot extension."
She felt this language did not change the meaning, but rather made it clearer.
Commissioner Tomblin asked staff to reread the suggested modifications to the
definition of immediate neighborhood.
Senior Planner Mihranian stated the modified definition would read: "The immediate
neighborhood is normally considered to be at least the 20 closest homes within the
same zoning district." He then suggested that if the Commission determined the
proposed change to be acceptable, that the modified language be read into the record
so that a revised resolution would not have to be brought back to the Commission for
adoption at a later date.
Chairman Long asked Staff where the proposed change could be captured in the
Resolution
Director/Secretary Rojas suggested that the language could be inserted into Section 9
The Planning Commission agreed
Senior Planner Mihranian also noted the suggested change by Commissioner Duran
Reed to the triggers on Page 4 paragraph D
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 9
Chairman Lyon moved to adopt P.C. Resolution 2002-14 adopting the Resolution
with the two changes suggested by the Planning Commission, seconded by
Commissioner Duran Reed. Approved, (6-0).
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
6. Minutes of March 25, 2003
Chairman Long noted that there were proposed changes to the minutes from
Commissioner Duran Reed that had been distributed to the Planning Commission
Commissioner Cartwright felt that there was a little more discussion at the meeting on
why insurance was required on tracts, and felt that the tape should be reviewed by staff
to get a more complete record of the discussion.
Chairman Long felt the minutes should be continued to allow staff to check the tape and
add any additional comments made, and returned at the next meeting for approval
Commissioner Duran Reed moved to continue the minutes to the next meeting,
seconded by Commissioner Cartwright, Continued, (6-0).
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
Commissioners Tomblin and Cote stated that they would not be present at the April 22,
2003 meeting
The meeting was adjourned at 8 55 p m
Planning Commission Minutes
April 8, 2003
Page 10