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CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES IF
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
JULY 23, 2002
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The meeting was called to order by Chairman Cartwright at 7 00 p m at the Fred
Hesse Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Cote led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present Commissioners Cote, Lyon, Mueller, Tomblin, Chairman Cartwright
Absent Commissioner Duran Reed and Vice Chairman Long were excused
Also present were Director of Planning, Building, and Code Enforcement Rojas,
Senior Planner Mihranian, Associate Planner Blumenthal, Assistant Planner Luckert,
and Recording Secretary Peterson
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Planning Commission unanimously approved the Agenda as presented.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director/Secretary Rojas distributed two items of correspondence regarding Agenda
Item No 7 and a letter from the City Attorney regarding a request for public records
He also reported that the City Council had began to hear the revised Long Point
applications and had directed Staff to prepare draft Conditions of Approval for review
at the Council's next meeting of August 6
Commissioner Mueller reported that he had attended the Mayor's Breakfast
CONSENT CALENDAR
Commissioner Lyon moved to approve the mu ues as presented, seconded by
Commissioner Tomblin. Approved, (3-0-2) es Kh Commissioners Cote and
Mueller recused as they were absent from than meeting.
2. Minutes of July 9, 2002
Commissioner Lyon noted a minor change on page 7 of the minutes
Commissioner Mueller moved to adopt the minutes as amended, seconded) by
Commissioner Cote. Approved, (4-0.1) wKh Commisslornelr Tomb In irecusedl as
he was absent from that meeting.
3. Height Variation NO. 899, Grading peirmK No. 2151, Nnoir CxcefgNon
Permit No. 573. and Environmental Assessment No. 745: 3787
Coolheights Drive
Senior Planner Mihranian stated that staff was requesting the Item be continued to
August 27 so that staff could continue working with the City's engineering consultant
in preparing the various design alternatives for the turn around at the end of
Coolheights Drive
Commissioner Mueller asked what alternatives were being discussed with the parties
involved and if they were different from the ones summarized at the last meeting.
Senior Planner Mihranian stated that a street survey was completed for the
immediate area adjacent to the terminus of Coolheights Drive and stated that five
alternatives were currently being discussed by staff, the applicant, and the neighbors
He stated that the City consultant has not completed the drawings for the
alternatives, and since the applicant will be out of town for the next meeting, staff was
requesting the item be continued to August 27
Director/Secretary Rous added that the last direction from the Planning Commission
to staff was to try to get a consensus with the neighbors in terms of an agreement as
to the design of the turn around. Staff, as well as the Director of Public Works,
believe that a consensus can still be achieved.
Commissioner Mueller stated that there was no direction given to not bring the item
back until a consensus was achieved.
Chairman Cartwright agreed, and added that the Planning Commission should be
involved and would not like to see a solution worked out that was not acceptable to
the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Mueller felt it would be beneficial for the Staff and neighbors to have
concluded its meetings before the next Planning Commission meeting He asked
that staff prepare a report for the Planning Commission at the next meeting so that
the Commission will have time to review the alternatives before the August 27
meeting
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The Commission agreed that staff should present a status report of the project at the
next meeting.
Commissioner Mueller moved to continue the puNic hearing to August 13 so
that staff could present a status report to the Nanning Commission, seconded
by Commissioner Cote. Approved, (5-0).
4. Variance No. 489: 6601 Palos Verdes Drive South / York Dong Point
Properties and Destination Development Corporation
Commissioner Cote stated that she would recuse herself from this public hearing
item and explained that her home, although located outside the 500 -foot radius, was
located close to the subject property.
Commissioner Tomblin noted that he had mentioned at an earlier meeting that he
had done a small consultant job at Long Point, which he has disclosed to the City
Clerk and City Attorney
Senior Planner Mihranian presented the staff report He explained that the Variance
request was to allow the construction of a lower pool facility within the City's Coastal
Setback Zone He showed various plans and drawings of the proposed project on a
power point presentation. He explained that the Planning Commission must first
consider the applicant's Variance request for the pool before any action or decision
can be considered by the City Council as a part of the entire development application
currently being reviewed by the City Council He noted that the pool was proposed
on a relatively flat pad area that was previously graded by the operators of
Manneland to accommodate a water holding tank Mr. Mihranian displayed a
drawing of the proposed lower pool that was included in the July 9 staff report He
explained that staff had raised a concern with the design and layout of the original
proposal which included a limited amount of area dedicated to the public. As a result,
the applicant took staff's recommendations and modified the design of the lower pool
area. He displayed a drawing showing the modified proposal He explained the
modified proposal includes an expanded public area which now includes a food bar
and additional areas for public amenities such as tables and chairs. He explained
that the re -design allowed for unobstructed views of the coastline. Therefore, staff
felt the modified proposal before the Planning Commission adequately addresses
staffs concerns
Mr. Mihranian explained that since the pool was proposed within the City's Coastal
Setback Zone, a concern was raised with respect to the geologic feasibility of the
site. He explained that Coastal Setback Zone and that it was originally designed
based on geologic information available at the City at the time the Coastal Specific
Plan was prepared in 1978 He explained that the Coastal Setback Line serves two
primary functions: a geologic slope stability line and a coastal bluff preservation line.
He explained that the City's geotechnical consultant must review reports submitted
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by the applicant and determined that the structure will not create any geologic hazard
or public health and safety concerns. He stated that at this time the City's
geotechnical consultant had not completed their review of the geotechnical reports
Mr. Mihranian therefore explained that, because of the nature of the project and the
fact that the City Council was currently reviewing the project, staff felt the Planning
Commission could review the proposed design and determine if the Variance findings
could be made, aside from geologic concerns. The item would then be continued to
the next meeting where staff would report to the Planning Commission the result of
the City's geotechnical review of the area.
Chairman Cartwright asked if there was going to be additional grading with the new
proposal and also how deep the proposed pool would be.
Senior Planner Mihranian answered that there was additional grading being
proposed in that area of approximately 800 cubic yards, which was combined cut and
fill. He stated that the depth of the pool was approximately four to five feet
Chairman Cartwright asked if there had been any prior geological studies that
indicated this area might not be suitable for development.
Senior Planner Mihranian answered that he was not aware of any specific studies.
Chairman Cartwright opened the public heaftg.
Mike Mohler 11777 San Vicente Blvd , L A stated that he had shown the City Council
a public amenities plan on a power point presentation that allowed them to
appreciate what the lower pool facility was in the greater context to the project He
asked if he could show this same presentation to the Planning Commission.
The Planning Commission agreed to see the presentation.
Mr. Mohler first referred to the staff report, and noted that on page 9 there was a
sentence under the public safety heading that the word "any" should be deleted from
when discussing the prevention of vandalism or crime.
Mr. Mohler presented the power point presentation and explained the various trails,
and public amenities that are currently proposed for the site.
Commissioner Mueller questioned if the newly designed pool had relocated closer to
the ocean.
Mr. Mohler answered that the pool is bigger, however the facility was moved back
into the slope a little more to accommodate the extra width of the pool.
Commissioner Mueller asked what type of fencing would be used to surround the
pool.
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Mr. Mohler stated it would be constructed of some type of material that could be seen
through, such as wrought iron
Commissioner Mueller asked if this pool would be open to the public.
Mr Mohler answered that the spa pool would be available to the public on a daily fee
basis, but the other pools on the property would be reserved for the hotel guests
Chairman Cartwright asked Mr Mohler if there were some type of alternative amenity
plan if it turns out the geology in this pool area turns out not to meet the City's safety
standards. He asked if the pool could not be built in this area, would that jeopardize
the financial success of the protect
Mr Mohler answered that it was extremely important to have this pool overlooking
the coastline, especially since there really wasn't a beach element associated with
the property Regarding the geology, he was very confident that there would be no
problems and was sure the appropriate factor of safety could be obtained
Chairman Cartwright felt that the geology was one of the most important issues,
especially since the structure was proposed inside the Coastal Setback Line
William Tolliffe 6347 Tarragon Road stated that the proposed pool was intruding into
an area in which a Variance is required and where the geology has not been
determined safe, he felt it would be prudent to use an alternative site where a
variance is not required and the geology has been determined safe for the necessary
cut and fill. He felt that denying the Variance request would eliminate two things that
could result in troublesome or catastrophic consequences: the setting of a precedent
in granting a Variance to build in the Coastal Setback Zone and the creation of a
geologic disturbance at the site which could cause problems similar to those seen
elsewhere on the peninsula.
Ann Shaw 30036 Via Borica noted that the beach at Long Point was dirt and rock
and used as an access point for scuba divers and snorklers. She realized the
geology was very important and that the Coastal Setback Zone was created where it
was for a reason. She felt it was irrelevant that an above ground water tank was
located on this pad in the past. She was very concerned about the cut and fill so
close to the existing bluff and the fact that there would be a swimming pool located at
the site. She felt the top of the land was most likely stable, however questioned what
would happen if there were a rupture in the swimming pool located so close to the
bluffs
Chairman Cartwright closed the public heaAng.
Commissioner Tomblin explained that he has recently returned from a trip to Hawaii
where he stayed at a resort very similar to what was being proposed at Long Point.
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He explained that he had read an article in which it stated there was an approximate
29 percent hotel vacancy rate on the Big Island, however the resort he was at had
100 percent occupancy for the summer He explained that the resort was built on a
peninsula similar to Long Point and built on an old lava flow, so there was no beach
available He stated his family enjoys the resort because of the swimming pools, the
putting greens, and the quiet and calm atmosphere on the property He noted that
he was very much for the project and the proposed swimming pool, however he was
addressing this without the benefit of the geology and if the geology were to come
back saying that the pool was unfeasible, he would agree with the geologist's
recommendations
Commissioner Mueller stated that he was very interested in preserving view corridors
and felt this current proposal provided a corridor which might allow the public to see
things they would normally not be able to see He was very pleased that the
developer was considering ADA access to the trails He felt the fence surrounding
the proposed pool should be kept at five feet in height, as he did not think it was
necessary to have a pool fence any higher than required by law He also had the
desire to keep the height of the fence between the pool and the ocean to the lowest
height possible He also felt it was important to keep the fence open-air so that visual
access would be maintained by the public He noted that all of his comments were
conditioned on the approval of the geology He felt that there should be some
conditions placed on the pool so that there is some type of secondary liner so that
there will not be any issues if the pool does leak He did not think it was absolutely
necessary to the financial viability of the hotel to have the pool at this location,
however he did think it would be very desirable to the public to have this amenity at
this particular location.
Commissioner Lyon felt that geology was a major issue, and the Planning
Commission must make sure the geologic stability of the vicinity is studied very
carefully and the geologists are sure the area is safe He wasn't sure that a pool was
needed in that area, but it was hard for him to decide if that pool was necessary
without considering what other amenities are included on the site. He felt that
decision would be made by the City Council, and he would defer to the City Council
in terms of deciding whether that particular pool was necessary to the project.
Chairman Cartwright stated that he could support the comments made by the other
Commissioners He was particularly impressed with Commissioner Mueller's idea
that there should be some additional protection in case the pool leaked He was
pleased with the modified proposal by the applicant and felt it balanced the needs of
the public and the hotel guests He felt that the four findings necessary to approve
the Variance could be made with the exception of those pending the outcome of the
geologic studies He did not think any of the Planning Commissioners would be
willing to make a decision until they had the outcome of the geologic study He felt
that all Commissioners reserved the right to change their opinions at the next
meeting in light of the geologic studies
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Commissioner Mueller moved to continue the pu bluc !hearing to the Nanning
Commission meeting of August 13, 2002, seconded! by Commissioner Lyon.
Approved, (4-0-1) with Commissioner Cote recused.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
5. Height Variation / Grading Permit (Case No. ZON2002-0008212554 COK
Road
Director/Secretary Rous presented the staff report He displayed a photo board and
explained the scope of the project and the need for the height variation and grading
permits. He stated that staff was able to make all of the findings for the height
variation permit in a positive manner He noted that staff had a concern regarding
bulk and mass, and the applicant was able to modify the project by stepping the
second story back from the street and lowering the height of the portion of the project
closest to the street Staff believes that with this revised design, the bulk and mass
issues have been addressed and is therefore recommending approval, subject to the
conditions in the attached resolution
Commissioner Cote asked if there were any privacy issues involved with the
proposed project.
Director/Secretary Rojas stated that staff had concluded there were no privacy issues
to warrant conditions of approval
Commissioner Mueller asked staff how this application would have been handled if it
had been proposed when the City was first incorporated.
Director/Secretary Rojas answered that there was a height variation process in place
at that time and the findings were essentially the same as they are now. He stated
that he believed there was no neighborhood compatibility finding at that time,
however he would need to verify that
Commissioner Mueller noted that by enclosing the balcony in the back of the house
any articulation of the house has been lost, and he asked if Staff had given that any
consideration
Director/Secretary Rojas responded that Staff's primary objective concerning
articulation is from the street, and staff relies on neighbors to raise concerns to Staff if
they have concerns regarding the articulation in the rear of the home. He noted that
there have been no comments received from neighbors regarding this project.
Chairman Carhwright opened the public hearing. Tl1C'rl" be ng no speakers,
Chairman Cartwrightt r the public Aie<:3ftg
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Commissioner Cote stated that when she had visited the applicant's property she
was initially concerned with the mass and bulk of the proposed project, and was
pleased with the revised plans She stated she had spoken to the surrounding
neighbors and was very pleased to hear the applicants had gone out of their way to
include the neighbors when designing the project. She felt all findings for the
applications could be made, and supported Staff's recommendations
Commissioner Lyon stated that he supported the project as presented by Staff
Commissioner Mueller stated his initial concern was the size of the house, but was
now satisfied with the design. He felt the findings could be made for the height
variation and grading permits, and therefore supported the project
Chairman Cartwright noted that he had spent considerable time driving in the
neighborhood and felt that the proposal was compatible with the surrounding
neighborhood. He was pleased with the modifications to the plans and felt that all
findings could be made to support the project
Chairman Cartwright asked if all of the Commissioners were able to visit the site All
Commissioners had visited the site
Commissioner Mueller moved to adopt P.C. RetioWtlnll Ho. 2002A6 thereby
p.roving the i- . Zt 20 2- 0082. sf-enrtded by
Commissioner Lyon.Approved, 1
6. Conditional Use Permit /Grading Permit /Variance PerrnK (Carse No.
ZON2002-00010: 2 Burrell Lane
Assistant Planner Luckert presented the staff report He explained the project and
the reasons for the different applications. He noted that the revision to the
Conditional Use Permit was required because the original CUP that was approved
required the homeowner to apply for a revision to the CUP if they wished to deviate
from the originally approved footprint area of the house. He explained that staff could
not make all of the findings to support the Variance, as staff did not think there were
exceptional or extraordinary circumstances applicable to the subject lot, and felt there
were other options available to the homeowner to comply with the City's
Development Code He noted that the proposed addition could be moved
approximately 2 to 3 feet south and could be slightly smaller so as not to encroach
onto the extreme slope area of the lot Staff did not feel the site was adequate in size
and shape to accommodate the proposed addition. Staff did not think the findings for
the grading application could be made and did not support approval of the grading
application. Staff, however, does support the proposed retaining walls and the other
portions of the project, excluding the addition on the extreme slope. He stated that if
the applicant were to submit plans proposing an addition not on the extreme slope,
the applicant would no longer need a Variance application and staff felt they could
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approve the grading and Conditional Use Permit However, as proposed, staff was
recommending denial of the Variance and Grading applications.
Commissioner Cote asked staff to clarify if the applicant was willing to move the
addition 2 to 3 feet so as not to require a Variance
Assistant Planner Luckert stated that the applicant was willing to move the addition,
however the applicant had stated he wanted to discuss the current proposal with the
Planning Commission
Commissioner Tomblin asked what difference it would make by moving the addition
over three feet.
Assistant Planner Luckert stated that by moving the addition south three feet, the
addition will not be where an extreme slope was before the grading had taken place
Commissioner Mueller asked how staff determined where the extreme slope was
prior to the grading.
Assistant Planner Luckert answered that the applicant had submitted a survey of pre-
existing conditions to staff.
Chairman Cartwright opened the public shearing.
Janak Raval 2 Burrell Lane (applicant) explained that the reason they were
requesting the addition was for a place for his elderly, disabled mother to have a
place to live He felt the proposed location of the addition was the least intrusive and
would maintain a presence that would enhance the property value. He explained that
their lot on Burrell Lane was unique in that it was the lowest lot on the street. He felt
this put them in a unique situation in that they had a large manmade extreme slope
between their property and the west neighbor He questioned how extreme the
slope actually was. He stated that he was requesting a Variance to build over a very
small area of what he feels is potentially an extreme slope He did not feel there was
a safety issue involved and noted that the proposed addition would not block any
neighbor's views. He stated he was willing to work with the Planning Department to
move the structure three feet south if that was the direction given, however he felt
that from a visual and useable standpoint that would limit what he could do with the
area and preferred to try to get the Variance.
Commissioner Tomblin noted that there was a code enforcement complaint on the
property and asked what the nature of that complaint was.
Mr Raval explained that his contractor had contacted the Planning Department and
was told that an extreme slope was a slope of 50 percent or greater He had
subsequently found out that he was given the wrong information. He stated that
while he was on vacation, his contractor had graded into the slope When the
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inspectors had come to look at his gas line for the bbq it was noted that he had
graded Into the slope
Chairman Cartwright asked Mr. Raval why he didn't first go to the City before starting
his grading.
Mr. Raval answered that he was not aware that he needed permits to begin the
grading and he did not realize that this was an extreme slope
Chairman Cartwright explained that the Planning Commission was bound by the
Development Code when making its decisions and in order to approve a Variance
there are four findings that must be made. He asked Mr. Raval what was
extraordinary or exceptional about his property that would allow for a Variance
Mr. Raval answered that his lot was unique in the neighborhood in that it had a
manmade extreme slope on the side.
Chairman Cartwright noted that the addition could still be built if it were moved
approximately three feet, and asked what was extraordinary about the lot that the
addition had to be built in the location proposed
Mr. Raval answered that the proposed location would allow for them to get the size of
addition that they felt they needed He also noted that moving the addition three feet
would start to block the view from the kitchen window.
Commissioner Mueller asked Mr. Raval if he had consulted with an architect to try to
come up with some different options and locations for the addition, and if the architect
had informed him that he was proposing to build on an extreme slope
Mr. Raval explained that he had met with an architect and he had agreed that this
was the best location for the addition. He stated that his architect did not mention
anything about building on an extreme slope, and he was not aware that this was an
extreme slope.
Director/Secretary Rojas stated that when the applicant came In for the original
application in October, the plan submitted at that time showed the pre-existing
condition that indicated the slope contours. He noted that Staff marked plans to
exclude approval of the addition and a condition was placed that no grading is
permitted on any existing slope area that is 35 percent slope or steeper which is an
extreme slope. He explained that approximately one week after receiving approval
for the bbq staff received a complaint regarding illegal grading on the slope.
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Commissioner Tomblin stated that there seemed to be more and more contractors
and/or homeowners who are now beginning construction without proper City
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approvals and permits and that it was time for the Planning Commission to take a
stand and send a message that the Planning Commission cannot tolerate this type of
waste of Staff and Commissioner's time. He felt this was a clear violation of the City
code and he would have to recommend the Planning Commission deny the Variance
request
Commissioner Mueller stated that his consideration of this application will not be
affected by any prior application and will not have an affect on any future application
He stated he could not make the findings necessary for the Variance and suggested
the addition be built but shortened by approximately 3 feet. He felt there were other
alternatives to adding on to this property which may be more expensive and require
additional design, but it could be done He stated that he too could not make the
findings necessary to approve the Variance application
Commissioner Lyon stated that when he thinks of an extreme slope, he thinks of a
down slope and the code is oriented towards maintaining a safe condition on a down
slope, even though the code does not distinguish between upslope and down slope.
He noted that in this case the extreme slope was an upward slope and he did not
think there was a safety issue involved He felt this request to go three feet into the
extreme slope area was fairly harmless, however it does violate the code He felt
that the reasonable solution was to move the addition back three feet, if possible, and
live within the Code
Commissioner Cote was troubled that both the applicant and his contractor were not
aware of the City code when doing the development on the property She too could
not make the necessary findings to support the Variance and felt that it should
therefore be denied
Chairman Cartwright did not think there were any extraordinary or unique features to
the applicant's property that would warrant the approval of a Variance request. He
asked Staff if the applicant were to redesign the project to no longer require a
Variance, if it would have to be heard by the Planning Commission
Director/Secretary Rojas answered that it would still require a CUP revision which
would have to come before the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Mueller moved deny the Variance without prey udicep which
would allow the applicant return with a revised plan which shortens the
addition by three feet.
Commissioner Lyon asked if the Variance could be denied and the grading permit
approved to allow the applicant to finish construction of the retaining wall
Director/Secretary Rojas stated that staff does not have a revised plan showing the
construction of the retaining wall and without that the Planning Commission should
not approve the Grading application
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Commissioner Tomblin was uncomfortable with placing conditions on the redesign of
the project as proposed in the motion.
Chairman Cartwright agreed, and felt that by placing no conditions of the redesign it
would allow the applicant many options in their redesign. He asked Commissioner
Mueller to consider an amendment to the motion that would remove the restriction to
shorten the addition by three feet, thereby allowing the applicant to consider all of the
options available
Commissioner Mueller amended the motion to deny the Variance without
prejudice to allow the applicant to redesign the project away from the extreme
slope area, and continue the hearing pubflc heaulng, seconded by
Commissioner Lyon.
Chairman Cartwright asked if there was a time limit placed on the application.
Director/Secretary Rojas stated that the application deadline was July 27 and that if
the applicant submitted revised plans to staff by July 27 then the deadline would be
met.
Chairman Cartwright re -opened the public hearing.
Chairman Cartwright asked Mr. Raval if wanted to submit revised plans to the
Planning Department by July 27, or did he want to request a 90 -day extension
Mr Raval answered that he preferred to have a 90 -day extension
Director/Secretary Rojas asked Mr. Raval to submit a written extension request to the
Planning Department before the end of the week
Chairman Cartwright closed the public hearing.
The motion to deny the Variance without pre�udice and continue the puNic
hearing passed, (5-0).
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 9 40 p m the Planning Commission took a short recess until 9 50 p m at which
time they reconvened.
PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont)
7. Conditional Use Permit/ Grading/ EnviironmenW Assessment Permit
(Case No. ZON2001-00055) 5701 CrestrMge Road
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Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report. He explained the history of
the project and the scope of the approvals given by the City Council in 1999 He
explained that the applicant had discovered that the entitlements granted could not
be constructed due to sub -surface rock conditions and accordingly they submitted
applications to revise the Conditional Use Permit and the Grading Permit. He
explained that the new proposed grading would encompass 153,052 cubic yards of
earth movement. Additionally, Belmont Corporation was proposing minor
modifications to the building, including modifying the building shape, increasing the
size of the building, decreasing the building length along Crestridge Road, and
increasing the building depth He stated that the proposed architecture was the
same as the originally approved, a Mediterranean style building He explained that
as part of the analysis of the project, a supplement to the Final Environmental Impact
Report was prepared and focused on the geology and grading, transportation and
circulation, and air quality and noise He stated that all of the other environmental
impacts caused by the proposed modifications were found not to be significant. He
explained the findings in the supplemental Final Environmental Impact Report. He
explained that staff found that all of the findings could be made for the revisions to
the Conditional Use Permit, as well the nine criteria for the grading permit. He stated
that the Traffic Committee held public hearings regarding this matter, and on a vote
of 7-0, decided that the proposed facility would not result in significant adverse traffic
impacts that could not be mitigated through the use of conditions of approval He
noted that the conditions of approval for the project were approved by the City
Council in 1999 and requires that the City Council give their approval for the
proposed modifications As such, the role of the Planning Commission in this matter
would be advisory only He concluded by stating that staff was recommending the
Planning Commission recommend to the City Council to certify the supplement to the
Final EIR and that the City Council approve the CUP revision and the Grading Permit
revision
Commissioner Cote asked what specific conditions of approval were recommended
by the Traffic Committee
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that the Traffic Committee recommended
Conditions of Approval Nos 64 through 72
Commissioner Cote asked if Staff could give an example in the City where the traffic
level was at a Level D
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that according to the Traffic Study that he
existing level of service at Hawthorne Boulevard and Highridge Road in the morning
was at a Level D level of service
Commissioner Cote asked if there were any other sites in the City where there was
an export of dirt of a comparable magnitude
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Associate Planner Blumenthal stated, that even though not in Rancho Palos Verdes,
the construction site at the corner of Crest Road and Hawthorne Boulevard has
exported quite a bit of dirt and material, but he was not sure of the amount
Commissioner Mueller questioned page 14 of the staff report and the finding which
states that the grading minimizes the disturbances to the natural contours, yet in the
next sentence states that the grading will remove most of the natural contours.
Associate Planner Blumenthal explained that the grading would remove the contours,
however the finished contours are reasonably natural He stated that in order to
develop the site, grading would remove the contours regardless of how the site will
be developed, as there is no set building pad on the property at this time
Chairman Cartwright opened the,public hearung.
David Hale (Belmont Corporation) 8550 Katy Freeway, Houston Texas gave a brief
explanation of the Belmont Corporation. He discussed Assisted Living Housing for
Seniors and explained that it is a housing project that provides services to seniors
that have care and mobility limitations. He discussed some of the amenities offered
by the Belmont Corporation to the seniors living in the facilities He felt the building
proposed was very compatible with the community
Anthony Segreto 5677 Mistridge Drive stated that the Marriott Corporation had
proposed to build a similar type structure in Palm Springs, however the City denied
the proposal He stated that the facility was denied for the same reasons he objected
to this project that it was not in keeping with the aesthetics of the area, the
monolithic type structure was out of date, and a building of that size would obstruct
views He felt that the amount of export leaving the site would create too much traffic
at the site, which he estimated would take approximately one year with a truck
leaving the site every ten minutes. He stated that there has never been that much
soil on the peninsula that has been moved that distance. He stated that the
Canterbury has been in operation for 20 years and operates at an 80 percent
capacity.
Ken Dyda 5715 Capeswood Drive stated that the proposal before the Commission
not only solves the current, but future needs of the peninsula. He stated that the
average age in the South Bay is 36, however on the Peninsula the average age is
46. He stated that currently 20 percent of the people on the peninsula are 65 or
older. He felt this proposal met a current need on the peninsula in an area that is
already zoned institutional He felt this was something that should be recommended
to the City Council for approval
Ray Mathys 5738 Whitecliff Drive requested that the Planning Commission adopt the
Resolutions to approve the CUP and Grading permits for the facility as requested by
staff. He stated the facility was needed and he would like to see the facility move
along a rapidly as possible
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Chairman Cartwright asked Mr Mathys if he was representing the Homeowners
Association or himself.
Mr. Mathys answered that he was representing himself
Chairman Cartwright asked staff about the export being proposed at the site, and if
staff felt the export was excessive.
Director/Secretary Rojas stated that there have been projects on the peninsula with
significantly more export, such as the Tramanto tract
Chairman Cartwright closed the public heatIngo
Commissioner Lyon stated that he was very familiar with this project, as a one-time
neighbor and as a Planning Commissioner, and supported the project completely, as
there is a great need for this type of housing in the community He felt it was time to
move on with the project
Commissioner Cote stated that she narrowed her focus on the changes in the project
rather than the overall basic concept of the project She felt the two major issues
were the change in the actual layout of the project and the amount of export from the
site. She was satisfied that the new layout of the project was beneficial to the
residents. However, based on the information provided by staff and the public
comments, she had a better appreciation for the issues and was satisfied with the
project She was concerned with the prospective trails on the site, and noted there
were comments received from the community. She wanted to make sure that the
City Council addressed the issue of trails.
Commissioner Tomblin stated that he would support the project
Commissioner Mueller felt this project addresses a need of the community, and felt
that the new layout was an improvement to the project He was concerned about the
amount of dirt being exported, but felt that the staff would determine the best haul
routes and would monitor the progress. He too was concerned that trails be provided
on the property
Chairman Cartwright stated he too was very familiar with the project He felt the
proposed modifications were very reasonable and in the case of the grading,
necessary. He felt that the environmental concerns of traffic, noise, and air quality
appeared to be short term and could be mitigated He was very much in favor of
recommending to the City Council that they approve the project. He asked staff for
input on the issue of the trails on the property.
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that it was staff's intention that there be some
type of trail connection between Crestridge Road, particularly the school, and the
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Peninsula Center He explained that Staff felt it would be more beneficial to have the
trail placed on the adjoining property.
Chairman Cartwright was concerned that there may be no development on the
adjoining property for quite some time and asked how this concern could be identified
to the City Council.
Director/Secretary Rojas stated that staff would identify the concern in the staff
report He felt it would be possible to work with the applicant to determine if there
was any way to include a trail on the property.
Chairman Cartwright re -opened the public hearing.
Tom Daly, Vice President of Architecture for Belmont Corporation, explained that the
area to the right of the development was a fire access which would be planted with
grass so that it would become a combination of a fire lane and green area He noted
on the plans an area that was intended to be an exercise/walking area for the
residents. He stated that he would be more than happy to study a possible
integration of that with something over the top of the hill that would connect with the
peninsula center
Chairman Cartwright closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Lyon moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2002-17,
recommending that the City Council cerUfy the Supplement to the final
Environmental Impact Report No. 27; and adopt ResoIudon No. 2002-18,
recommending that the City Council approve, with conditions, CondKlonai Use
Permit No. 195, Revision 'A' and Grading Permit No. 1903, Revision 'A' (Case
No. ZON2001-00055). Further, staff would be directed to bring to the attention
of the City Council the concern for a connecting trail on the site and that staff
work with the applicant to try to develop a trail system on the property,
seconded by Commissioner Mueller. Approved, (5-0).
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
Commissioner Cote stated that she would not be attending the meeting of August 13.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 10.53 p.m.
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