PC MINS 20020423CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 23, 2002
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Cartwright at 7 00 p m. at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Tomblin led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance
ROLL CALL
Present- Commissioners Duran Reed, Lyon, Mueller, Tomblin, Vice Chairman
Long, and Chairman Cartwright
Absent Commissioner Cote was excused
Also present were Director of Planning, Building, and Code Enforcement Rous, Senior
Planner Mihranian, Assistant Planner Yu, and Recording Secretary Peterson.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chairman Cartwright suggested moving Audience Comments to the Communications
section of the Agenda The Planning Commissioners agreed
COMMUNICATIONS
Director/Secretary Rous distributed three items of correspondence 1) A letter from the
City Attorney in response to a request for information that is not public; 2) A flyer for a
League of Cities seminar that the Mayor was inviting all Commissioners to attend; and
3) An attachment to the staff report for Agenda Item No 7.
Director/Secretary Rous also noted that at the last City Council meeting the City
Council upheld the Planning commission decision in the appeal of Mr Kay's antenna
Commissioner Mueller appreciated being able to e-mail in his comments to the minutes
when he was not able to attend the Planning Commission meeting. He also stated that
he had watched the tape and reviewed the minutes and felt that he was able to
participate in the future meetings regarding the continued items.
Commissioner Tomblin reported that, in reference with his involvement with the
Peninsula Youth Sports Council, he had met with Dick Simmons of Supervisor Knabe's
office and several others in reference to youth sports on the peninsula
AUDIENCE COMMENTS
There were no audience comments.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Minutes of March 26, 2002
Commissioner Mueller noted typos on pages 3 and 4 of the minutes.
Commissioner Duran Reed made a clarification to page 6 of the minutes
Commissioner Mueller moved to approve the minutes as amended, seconded by
Commissioner Duran Reed. Approved, (6-0).
2. Minutes of April 9, 2002
Vice Chairman Long noted a clarification on pages 2 and 3 of the minutes.
Commissioner Lyon noted clarifications on pages 12 and 13 of the minutes.
Chairman Cartwright asked for a clarification on pages 10 and 11 of the minutes
Commissioner Tomblin moved to approve the minutes as amended, seconded by
Commissioner Lyon. Approved, (4-0-2) with Commissioners Duran Reed and
Mueller abstaining since they were not at that meeting.
CONTINUED BUSINESS
3. Interpretation determination to clarify the definition of a "story"
Director/Secretary Rous presented a brief staff report and read the interpretation to the
Planning Commission.
Vice Chairman Long asked why the phrase "gathering place" was used in the definition
and felt that there was room for misinterpretation in the way it was written.
Commissioner Lyon felt that adding a comma after "covered patio" would eliminate the
problem
Commissioner Mueller agreed with the suggestion but stated he would go a little further
and suggested deleting the words "carport" and "covered patio" as well as "that may be
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used as a gathering area" and insert "any unclosed structure." He felt this would
prevent someone from elevating their living area above the ground, and the Planning
Commission does not really care what is below the living area but the position of the
area being added on.
After a brief discussion, Chairman Cartwright felt the original suggestion to add a
comma after "covered patio" would be the best solution.
Vice Chairman Long agreed, and noted that by trying to be more precise it only added
confusion to the issue
Commissioner Lyon moved to accept staff's interpretation, as amended, to add a
comma after the word "patio", seconded by Commission Tomblin.
Commissioner Mueller suggested an amendment to the motion to remove the phrase
"that may be used as a gathering area". He felt this made the interpretation a little
broader and did not conflict with the definition of carport.
Commissioner Lyon did not accept the motion as he felt the amendment would allow the
inclusion of a crawl space under a house.
Vice Chairman Long felt that the interpretation was designed to address the particular
difficulty the Planning Commission had when hearing the application at 120 Spindrift
Rather than trying to hypothesize future problems the Planning Commission should
focus the interpretation on the existing problem, and he felt the pending motion does
that.
The motion passed, (5-1) with Commissioner Mueller dissenting.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
4. Six month review of Conditional Use Permit NO. 206 — Revision "A":
Peninsula Montessori School 31100 Palos Verdes Drive West
Senior Planner Mihranian presented a brief staff report. He explained that the six-
month review allows the Planning Commission a mechanism to add, delete, or modify
any conditions on the project based on its current operation. As such, staff has
reviewed the operation of the school since it opened, and based on staff's analysis and
site visits feels the school is operating in compliance with the Conditions of Approval.
He noted that staff has received only one letter regarding the school since it opened,
and that was in support of the project. As such, staff was recommending the Planning
Commission determine the school is operating in compliance with the original
Conditions of Approval, via minute order.
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Vice Chairman Long noted that the comment letter suggested that it would be a good
idea to place a warning sign on Hawthorne Blvd approaching the building. He asked if
staff had an opinion on the suggestion
Senior Planner Mihranian explained that the item was originally raised at the time the
Planning Commission was considering the application, however there was not a
decision made as to whether the sign was necessary At this point, staff did not feel
there was enough traffic or any situations that would warrant the placement of the sign.
However, if the Planning Commission desires the placing of a sign, staff could contact
the Public Works Department.
Commissioner Lyon felt the suggestion was a good one, however was not one that has
anything to do with the conditions of approval of the school, and suggested it be
referred to the Director of Public Works for his consideration and not be something that
would encumber the current permit.
Commissioner Mueller discussed the enrollment of the school and noted that the
number of staff members had stayed:.fairly constant, however the number of students
had grown quite a bit. He asked if there were plans for a larger staff and how this would
affect the parking at Golden Cove.
Senior Planner Mihranian responded that the parking study considered 40 faculty and
staff members, therefore the school was operating under the maximum cap and the
parking was not affected
Chairman Cartwright opened the public hearing.
Commissioner Mueller asked the applicant about the enrollment of the school and
asked if the enrollment and/or faculty was expected to grow.
Claudia Krikorian 1821 Paseo del Sol, PVE, explained that no new staff would be added
and the current faculty included teachers and all of the part time staff She explained
that in applying for the Conditional Use Permit she put the enrollment at 400, which was
the maximum enrollment that the school could ever possibly be
Chairman Cartwright asked Ms. Krikorian if she had any comments regarding the
placement of a warning sign.
Ms Krikorian did not feel the sign was necessary, as she had never seen a back up
going into the center. However she had no objection to the sign
Chairman Cartwright closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Mueller moved to approve the staff report and determine the
Peninsula Montessori School at Golden Cove Shopping Center is operating in
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compliance with the conditions of approval of P.C. Resolution No. 2001-08,
seconded by Commissioner Lyon. Approved, (6-0).
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 8:00 p.m. the Planning Commission took a short recess to 8:10 p.m. at which time
they reconvened
NEW BUSINESS
5. Site Plan Review (Case No. ZON2002-00054): 5618 Sunmist Drive
Assistant Planner Yu presented the staff report She gave a brief description of the
proposed protect and noted that staff had determined the proposed roof design will not
impact views from adjacent properties and the proposed addition meets the
Development Code standards As such, staff recommends the Planning Commission
approve the proposed project.
Chairman Cartwright noted that the proposed gable roof was much more compatible
with the neighborhood than the existing flat roof, and supported the protect
Commissioner Tomblin questioned condition of approval no. 15 regarding keeping the
construction site and the adjacent street clean and wondered if that was the language
the Planning Commission had agreed upon
Chairman Cartwright recalled the Planning Commission had suggested the language be
modified to say the construction site and the adjacent properties shall be kept free of all
loose materials.
Vice Chairman Long agreed with the Chairman
Commissioner Tomblin moved to approve the project, with the amendment to
Condition of Approval No. 15, seconded by Commissioner Mueller. Approved, (6-
0).
6. Selection of two Planning Commissioners for the General Plan Steerinq
Committee
Director/Secretary Rojas briefly explained what the intention of the General Plan
Steering Committee was and how it would be made up.
Commissioner Lyon added that this Committee presented a good opportunity to take a
look at the General Plan and make any modifications that the majority of the residents
feel would be in their best interest. He nominated Commissioner Cote and Vice
Chairman Long to be the Planning Commission members of the committee. He
explained that Vice Chairman Long had extensive leadership experience on the View
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Restoration Commission and had active participation in the Planning Commission
activities over the years Further, Commissioner Cote had volunteered to serve on the
Committee and has an academic background in planning He added that if
Commissioner Cote was unable to sit on the Committee because of business conflicts,
he suggested Commissioner Tomblin as an alternate
Vice Chairman Long agreed that the City should make use of Commissioner Cote's
expertise He stated that he would be willing to serve on the Committee, but suggested
Commissioner Mueller serve on the Committee He felt that the Planning Commission
needed to cultivate responsibilities for the Commission's duties across the board among
a number of people
Commissioner Mueller stated that he did have an interest in serving on this Committee,
however he would defer if someone else on the Commission had an interest as he is
involved community activities and has an unpredictable travel schedule
Commissioner Duran Reed agreed with the idea of having an experienced
Commissioner as well as a newer Commissioner serve on the Committee and
supported Commissioner Cote as well as Commissioner Mueller or Vice Chairman
Long
Commissioner Tomblin expressed interest in serving on the Committee, and stated if
Commissioner Cote had difficulties serving because of her work schedule he would be
willing to take her place
Chairman Cartwright supported the nomination of Commissioner Cote and Vice
Chairman Long, and appreciated the desire of all of the Commissioners to serve on a
committee He noted that there would most likely be several opportunities in the future
for Commissioners to serve on different committees, and felt every Commissioner would
have a chance to serve on a committee during their time on the Planning Commission
The Commission unanimously selected Commissioner Cote and Vice Chairman Long to
represent the Planning Commission on the General Plan Steering Committee
7. Amendment of Planning Commission rules and procedures
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that what had prompted this item to be placed on
the Agenda was that a new state law had gone into effect that governs the eligibility of
voting members regarding applications He referred to P C Resolution 2000-18, page 2
and noted the City Attorney suggested changing "300" to "500", and deleting the second
paragraph
Chairman Cartwright stated that the Planning Commission had discussed at the last
meeting the inclusion of language that the Planning Commissioners should contact staff
directly if they had questions regarding the staff reports
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Director/Secretary Rous responded that language would be added to reflect that
Commissioner Duran Reed questioned how the meetings were being recorded and
asked if the language should be modified so that it was not restricted to "tape
recording".
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that the audio tape recording was still the official
recording of the meeting until the minutes were approved.
The Planning Commissioners discussed what documents were necessary to review
when a Planning Commissioner was absent from a meeting Chairman Cartwright
suggested adding language to the rules and procedures reflecting that a Commissioner
could review the minutes or listen to the tape recording of the meeting or view the video
The Commission agreed.
The Planning Commission discussed the minutes and what they wanted to get out of
the minutes. Chairman Cartwright explained that the minutes were the official record of
the meeting and should have enough information in them that an interested party could
read them and understand the action taken and why it was taken.
Director/Secretary Rojas asked the Commission if they wanted to add language to the
rules and procedures to reflect the procedure currently used in accepting late
correspondence He noted that the rules and procedures state that correspondence
received after the Monday deadline it will not be considered at the meeting, however the
practice has been that the Chairman has allowed the late correspondence to be
distributed to the Commission
Vice Chairman Long did not think the change needed to be made, as there is currently a
rule that a two-thirds majority of the Commission can suspend the rules. He felt the rule
should stay as written to help communicate to the public how important it is to get the
correspondence in on time.
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that a new Resolution was necessary to reflect the
changes discussed by the Planning Commission and it would have to be brought back
to the Planning Commission for their formal adoption
Commissioner Duran Reed moved to conceptually approve the changes made to
the rules and procedures, seconded by Chairman Cartwright. Approved, (6-0).
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
Chairman Cartwright asked that on future agendas the audience comments be placed
after communications
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ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9 10 p m
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