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CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
SEPTEMBER 22, 1998
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7.02 P.M. by Chairman Clark at the Hesse Park
Community Building, 29310 Hawthorne Boulevard
FLAG SALUTE
Associate Planner Fox led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.
ROLL CALL
Present Commissioners Alberio, Lyon, Paris, Slayden,
Vice Chairman Cartwright, and Chairman Clark
Absent Commissioner Vannorsdall (absent/excused).
Also present were Director/Secretary Rojas, Principal Planner Snow, Associate Planner
Fox, Assistant Planners Louie and Schonborn, and Recording Secretary Atuatasi
Commissioner Alberio moved to approve the Agenda as presented. The motion
was seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed, (6-0)
COMMUNICATIONS
Council Policy Items
Director/Secretary Rojas pointed out to the Commission that the approved City
Council Minutes of September 1, 1998 were included in the packets for their
update and information. Director/Secretary Rojas discussed Council action at the
City Council Meeting of September 15, 1998 pertaining to the Public Hearing of
Height Variation No. 859 and Site Plan Review No. 7988 - Appeal (Mr. and Mrs. Al
Edgerton) and specifically the use of foliage for privacy conditions.
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Staff
Staff distributed copies of the revised Conditions of Approval for Agenda Item
No. 4 (Variance No. 436).
Commission
Commissioner Alberio reported on his attendance at the Mayor's Monthly
Breakfast and stated that discussions focused on animal (horse) violations in the
Portuguese Bend area and traffic flow pertaining to the proposed car -wash
project on Hawthorne Boulevard and Palos Verdes Drive South. At that meeting,
Commissioner Alberio updated the Mayor and attendees on ham radio antenna
issues discussed at previous Ad Hoc Committee meetings.
Commissioners Slayden and Paris stated that they had received a letter regarding
a Planning Commission hearing item to be considered at a future meeting.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Minutes of August 25, 1998
2. Minutes of September 8. 1998
Commissioner Slayden moved to approve both sets of Minutes as presented.
Vice Chairman Cartwright seconded the motion with Commissioner Paris
abstaining, (5-0-1) with respect to the Meeting of August 25, 1998 since he was
not present and Commissioner Lyon abstaining (5-0-1) with respect to the
Meeting of September 8, 1998 since he was not present.
CONTINUED BUSINESS
3. Height Variation No. 857, Variance No. 432, and Grading Permit No.
2010: Emmanuel & Olukemi Duro 6375 Palos Verdes Drive South
Chairman Clark read the project description and Staff s recommendation for this item
He asked the Commission for discussion and comments and there were none.
Commissioner Alberio moved to accept Staffs recommendation to continue the
Public Hearing of this item to the Meeting of October 13, 1998. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed. With no objections from the
Commission, it was so ordered by Chairman Clark, (6-0).
Planning Commission Minutes
September 22,1998
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
4. Variance No. 436; George & Sharon Lusic, 1887 MacArthur Street
Associate Planner Fox summarized the history of this item Mr Fox stated that the
previous owner, Mr Cucuk had constructed a wall in the front -yard setback which
exceeded the 42" height limitation in May 1987 and failed to legalize or correct the
violations In June 1994 Mr Cucuk sold the property to the current owners, George and
Sharon Lusic, without making the necessary modifications of the wall
Associate Planner Fox stated that the applicant submitted a Variance application in
July 1998 requesting an after -the -fact approval for the wall at the front -yard setback of
their property The application was deemed complete in September 1998 Staff
believed that all the findings could be warranted for granting the Variance and
therefore, recommended approval of Variance No 436
Chairman Clark asked the Commission if they had questions for Staff
Commissioner Alberio pointed out that the City Council had waived the penalty fees for
this application, and asked if the Lusic's had contacted the previous owner regarding
non -disclosure of the illegal wall at the front -yard setback. Director/Secretary Rojas
replied that the Council's discussion included questions of how the property was
purchased without disclosure
Vice Chairman Cartwright asked if the satellite dish at the subject property was an on-
going issue from the previous owner carried on to the current owner and if it was in
compliance with the City's Code Principal Planner Snow replied that the satellite dish
had existed under the previous ownershi and that the new owner inherited a number of
problems which they are attempting to address
Commissioner Paris asked if it was possible to have information regarding illegal
conditions on properties recorded with the County Recorder such as, therefore, a
purchaser would be made aware of any illegal conditions when property is sold at the
closing of escrow with the County Recorder Principal Planner Snow replied that
certain thresholds (legal actions pending or lawsuit) had to be met before the City has
the ability to record such notices against an individual's property
Commissioner Paris moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Vice Chairman Cartwright and passed.
Chairman Clark asked the applicant to approach the podium to answer questions from
the Commission
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September 22,1998
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Chairman Clark asked the applicant if she was in agreement with Staffs
recommendation for this item, if she was aware of any disclosures at the time she
purchased the property; and, if the realtor or seller conveyed this information to her
Mrs. Sharon Lusic. (applicant) 1887 MacArthur Street, stated that she concurred with
Staffs recommendation, was not aware of any disclosures when she purchased the
property, nor did the Realtor/seller convey this information to her
Commissioner Alberio informed the applicant that the realtor had a responsibility to
convey disclosure information to her Mrs Lusic stated that she was under the
impression that the disclosures would be noted in the title documents
Vice Chairman Cartwright asked the applicant if agreed to bring the satellite dish into
compliance with the City's Code Mrs Lusic replied that she did.
Vice Chairman Cartwright moved to close the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Lyon and passed.
Chairman Clark asked the Commission for discussion and comment on this item and
there was none
Commissioner Alberio moved to accept Staffs recommendation to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 98-31; thereby conditionally approving Variance No. 436. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed (6-0) by a roll call
vote.
Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period.
5. Site Plan Review No. 8311, Grading Permit No. 2048, and Sign Permit
No. 961; Mr. & Mrs. Shiraz Govani, 27774 S. Hawthorne Boulevard.
Assistant Planner Louie presented the Staff Report and stated that the applicant
submitted applications for a Site Plan Review, Grading, and Sign Permits in July 1998
The applicant requested approval to replace an existing 1,400 square foot canopy with
a new 1,898 square foot (498 square foot addition) canopy, grade a total of 950 cubic
yards of earth for two new underground storage tanks, and install four permanent signs
on the canopy facia. The proposed height of the canopy is twenty-three feet which
exceeded the maximum height limit of twelve feet by eleven feet.
Staff determined that the three findings for the Site Plan Review could be made to allow
the canopy to exceed the 16 foot high limitation pursuant to the requirements of the
Code and that it would not significantly impair any protected view from the surrounding
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September 22,1998
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residences Ms Louie stated that Staff felt the proposed grading complied with the
criteria contained in the Code and that the findings could be made to allow permanent
illuminated signs on the canopy facia since it would not effect the adjacent residents
Therefore, Staff recommended approval of the proposed project.
Chairman Clark asked the Commission if they had questions for Staff
Chairman Clark asked when the City utilizes the services of the Traffic Engineer versus
the Traffic Committee to review a project. Director/Secretary Rojas replied that it
largely depended on the nature of the project and whether major impacts to street traffic
flow could result. Director/Secretary Rojas stated that in this case, Staff noted that the
issue on this on-site circulation of traffic could be affected by the proposed project and
therefore, Staff felt that this matter should be brought to the attention of the Acting
Director in Public Works Acting Director Allison felt it was appropriate to have the
City's Traffic Consultant (Mr Jim Biega) review and comment on the traffic issue for the
proposed project.
Chairman Clark questioned the removal of the existing underground fuel storage tank
and was concerned about potential leakage and contamination. Assistant Planner
Louie replied that the Los Angeles County Waste Management Division would oversee
the removal of the underground fuel storage tanks and address any leakage and/or
contamination issues
Commissioner Alberio inquired about the type of proposed underground fuel storage
tanks to be installed in place of the existing ones and Director/Secretary Rojas replied
that the new underground fuel storage tanks would comply with the State regulations
Commissioner Alberio inquired if staff was aware of the items being sold in the
convenience store at the subject site and Director/Secretary Rojas clarified that
although it is not considered a 'Convenience Store', that Staff conducted a site visit and
determined that the non -automotive items being sold in the car wash building were not
allowed to be sold without a Conditional Use Permit application according to the City's
Code Director/Secretary Roajs stated that Staff was recommending approval of the
proposed project be contingent upon the placement of non -automotive items in vending
machines or that the applicant submit a Conditional Use Permit application to allow the
non -automotive items to be sold as is, within 30 days of the project approval
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September 22,1998
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Commissioner Lyon moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Paris and passed.
Mr. Shiraz Govani. (applicant) 27774 Hawthorne Boulevard, stated that he had
purchased the subject site a few months ago and had just established his business Mr
Govani stated that his request for removal and installation of underground fuel storage
tanks was to comply with Federal Regulations and asked the Commission to grant his
request in that he may proceed to move on with his proposed project, and complete the
tank replacement in accordance with the regulation deadlines
Commissioner Alberio asked if the non -automotive items would be moved into vending
machines and Mr Govani replied that he had ordered six vending machines, two which
have been received and four to be delivered by the end of the week
Mr. Patrick Fiedler, (architect) 2322 W. 3rd Street, Los Angeles, CA reiterated the
description of the proposed underground fuel storage tanks as mentioned by his client
and stated that time was of the essence since all underground storage tank owners
were required to conform with Federal Regulations by a deadline date of December 22,
1998
Mr Fiedler stated that his client was in agreement with most of the conditions
recommended by Staff, but had concerns regarding; 1) resituating the proposed canopy
diagonally decreasing the use of the driveway at Hawthorne Boulevard and,
2) maintaining the driveway at Highridge Drive to allow entrance and exit without
affecting the nearby intersection
Mr Fiedler stated that the proposed canopy would be relocated closer to Hawthorne
Boulevard and would contain two islands with a total of four gas pumps, two on each
island The canopy had a pitched 'hip roof and was 23 feet in height. Mr. Fiedler
stated that four permanent signs would be affixed to the canopy, two letter -illuminated
signs placed north and south of the facia and two logo signs placed east and west of
the facia
Commissioner Paris was concerned about the safety of the configuration of the
entrance driveways Mr Paris was concerned with the traffic flow at the two
intersections and the location of the islands
Commissioner Alberio was concerned with the illuminated signs on the facia in that it
would place an adverse affect on the adjacent properties Mr Fiedler commented and
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September 22,1998
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stated that the two Chevron channel signs would be illuminated only during business
hours and that they were covered with defused lenses in order to dim the brightness of
the fluorescent light bulbs
Commissioner Lyon noted that the location of the proposed canopy was approximately
30 feet away from Hawthorne Boulevard He questioned how many automobiles could
stack in the 30 foot space without backing onto Hawthorne Boulevard Mr Fiedler
replied that the canopy was relocated to provide speedier service for patrons entering
to re -fuel their automobiles and that the new fuel pumping system dispenseed at the
maximum allowed volume Mr. Fiedler stated that a maximum of eight automobiles
could be accommodated at one time for re -fueling, and that the seperation the islands
allowed for some flow through traffic
Mr. Doug Savage* (Chevron 2 -party protect manager) 1300 S Beach Boulevard,
Huntington Beach, CA stated that Chevron does not have interest in the property
purchased by the applicant, but only the selling of their products However, Chevron
was interested in the lay -out of the service station, and specifically the success of the
business. A major concern was the City's Traffic Engineer's recommendation of
possibly closing an entrance driveway at Hawthorne Boulevard Mr Savage stated that
Chevron had to accommodate a semi -truck in and out of the subject site to refuel the
underground storage tanks Mr. Savage stated that the lay -out of proposed canopy
would be situated in association with the common traffic flow and that the height of the
canopy gave a more spacious appearance
Vice Chairman Cartwright asked for a response regarding the 30 -foot space
automobiles to re -fuel without the possibility of them backing onto Hawthorne
Boulevard Mr. Savage replied that he did not anticipate that to be a problem
especially with the fuel dispensing systems that allowed the maximum of 10 gallons per
minute
Commissioner Alberio asked if Chevron employed a traffic analyst to look at the site,
and Mr Savage replied no
Commissioner Paris suggested that the applicant relocate the fuel pump, relocate the
island parallel to the car wash so that there would be sufficient access for the semi -
truck entering at an angle on Highridge Drive instead of Hawthorne Boulevard.
Mr. Savage replied that the standard route of the semi -truck was to exit the 110
Freeway, travel on to Pacific Coast Highway, continue south on Western Avenue which
turns into 25th Street, then proceed onto Palos Verdes Drive South, to the destination
point on Hawthorne Boulevard
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September 22,1998
Page 7
Mr. Bill Myers. 28103 Hawthorne Boulevard, stated that the applicant's new fuel pump
system would dispense approximately 150,000 gallons of fuel per month which
increased the pumping capabilities by 35,000 gallons compared to the prior owner
Further, Mr Myers strongly believed that the applicant's intent to provide speedier re-
fueling services to the patrons would create potential traffic impacts at the intersections
of Hawthorne Boulevard and Highridge Drive as automobiles are entering or existing
the subject site Mr. Myers questioned why Staff had not reviewed this situation and of
request the applicant to submit an application for a Conditional Use Permit Mr Myers
commented on the roof pitch of the canopy and the signs to be affixed to the canopy
facia
Chairman Clark asked Mr Myers why he felt that the applicant should apply for a
Conditional Use Permit. Mr. Myers replied that since the applicant's new fuel pump
system had 50% more pumping capacity and he strongly believed that the applicant
should submit a Conditional Use Permit application to the City
Vice Chairman Cartwright asked Mr Myers was he required to submit a Conditional
Use Permit application to the City for his increased volume of fuel dispensing Mr
Myers replied that he was not, but that it was for his convenience store
Chairman Clark asked Staff to comment on the issue that Mr. Myers had raised
Director/Secretary Rojas replied that it is the Development Code and not Staff that
determines whether or not an applicant is required to submit a Conditional Use Permit
for a proposed project. Mr. Rotas stated that the Code regulates a Conditional Use
Permit for new uses or major expansion of existing uses. Mr Rojas stated that the
language in the code does not specifically address increased 'volume' of gas sales
Staff had worked with the applicant and scrutinized the proposal that the need for a
Conditional Use Permit was not triggered Staff felt that the proposal was consistent
with the uses and operation allowed to legal -conforming uses in the auto overlay
control district Therefore, Staff believed that a Conditional Use Permit was not
required Further, Staff visited the subject property and determined that non -
automotive items were being sold Staff discussed this issue with the applicant and
pointed out to them that this did not comply with the City's Code and that the approval
of their project was contingent upon the replacement of all non -automotive items in
vending machines
Commissioner Lyon was concerned about the location of the islands Mr Lyon asked
Staff if it was practical for a patron to enter into the driveway off of Hawthorne
Boulevard and enter the right sideof the first island He suggested that the island be
rotated 30 degrees clockwise and move it nearer to the car -wash building
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September 22,1998
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Commissioner Lyon stated that there then would be sufficient space for the right-hand
island, easier access for patrons entering from Hawthorne and would make it more
direct to exit the property at Highridge road.
Chairman Clark asked the City's Traffic Engineer, Mr. Jim Biega to approach the
podium to comment on this issue
Mr. Jim Biega, was concerned with the orientation of the canopy and the pump islands
on Hawthorne Boulevard closest to Highridge Drive He pointed out that the visibility
would be low for a patron exiting the driveway at Hawthorne Boulevard while another
motorist is turning right at Highridge Drive. Mr. Biega felt that this would create a traffic
conflict since the exit driveway at Highridge Drive was too close to the intersection Mr
Biega also pointed that the area between the pump island and Hawthorne Boulevard
might not be able to accommodate an adequate number of cars, waiting for re -fueling,
to assure no stacking into Hawthourne Boulevard, as mentioned by the architect.
Mr. Biega recommended that the applicant orient the canopy at an angle to restrict the
traffic flow coming from Highridge Drive.
Chairman Clark asked the applicant to approach the podium for rebuttal
Mr Fiedler (architect) addressed the issues raised by the Commissioners such as, the
space needed for re -fueling of vehicles to prevent gridlock of motorists out onto
Hawthorne Boulevard. Mr Fiedler stated that he could work with the City's Traffic
Consultant to increase space area at the pump island. In terms of the canopy rotation,
Mr Fiedler believed that there was room to slightly shift the canopy. Mr. Fiedler did
agree with the Traffic Consultant on the traffic circulation and that a one-way pattern for
the car -wash be created Mr. Fiedler stated that the permanent affixed signs would not
be illuminated during the night, but only during operation hours
Commissioner Slayden moved to close the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Lyon and passed.
Chairman Clark asked for Commission discussion and comments on this item
Commissioner Lyon stated that the proposed project was well planned, but suggested
that the applicant reorient the pump island to reduce the potential traffic flow problems
at Hawthorne Boulevard Commissioner Lyon felt that it was not practical to eliminate
the driveway on Hawthorne Boulevard closest to the Highridge intersection He
suggested moving the pump island Southeast toward the building and rotate it slightly
so as to open the access to the right-hand pump lane, although relocation would not be
required
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Commissioner Slayden agreed with Commissioner Lyon and recommended approval
for the proposed project.
Commissioner Paris stated that he would like to see the first entrance driveway at
Hawthorne Boulevard moved away from the intersection more because of the motorists
turning right on Highridge Drive As for the exit driveway at Highridge Drive,
Commissioner Paris suggested that it be moved farther up He agreed with the
comments of Commissioners Lyon and Slayden, but stated that he would like the
Commission to reconsider the location of the layout.
Commissioner Alberio felt that there was no reason for the canopy to be so high, and,
there were too many signs, believed that there were traffic issues to be addressed, and,
felt that the mini -convenience store should be removed as soon as possible
Commissioner Alberio felt that the proposed project should be re -designed and brought
back to the Commission for reconsideration
Vice Chairman Cartwright supported the proposed project and suggested that the
canopy be moved further southeast. He believed that the three driveways were
consistent with other stations and that the signage and the height of the canopy was
acceptable and did not seem to create a view impairment.
Chairman Clark agreed with his colleagues and stated that the proposed project was
being modernized Although Chairman Clark had concerns with the traffic flow and
signage issues and that the convenient store issue resolved, overall he felt that the
proposed project was a good one
Commissioner Lyon moved to approve the proposed project, that the signage not
be illuminated, that the applicant work with Staff to slightly adjust the location of
the pump island so as to improve the safety of the intersection from traffic using
the entrance and exit driveway off of Hawthorne Boulevard and Highridge Drive;
and, not requiring this item to come back to the Commission for further review.
Commissioner Slayden seconded the motion.
Chairman Clark felt that the existing signage should be illuminated during operation
hours
The maker amended his original motion thereby allowing illumination of signage.
The motion passed by a roll -call vote, (5-1-1) with Commissioner Alberio
dissenting. P.C. Resolution No. 98-32 was adopted; thereby approving Site Plan
Review No. 8311, Grading Permit No. 2048, and Sign Permit No. 961, subject to
conditions, with additional clearance by the Director as stipulated.
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September 22,1998
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Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period
RECESS AND RECONVENE
Chairman Clark called for a brief recess at 9 20 P.M. until the meeting reconvened at
9:30 P M
6. Variance No. 435. and Coastal Permit no. 147; Mr. & Mrs. Chung, 34
Sea Cove Drive.
Assistant Planner Schonborn presented the Staff Report and stated that the applicant
submitted applications for a Variance and Coastal Permits in July 1998 The request
was for allowance of a 14'-8" high attached covered patio measuring 922.5 square feet
for a residence that was partially within the coastal setback zone, where additions are
limited to less than 250 square feet
Assistant Planner Schonborn stated that the four required findings for the Variance and
Coastal Permit could be made and that Staff believed there were extraordinary
conditions applicable to the subject property in that it was partially within the Coastal
Setback Zone Staff also believed that no view impairment would result and that
approval of the Variance would not be detrimental to the property or improvements in
the area Mr Schonborn stated that the proposed project was consistent with the City's
General and Coastal Specific Plan, conformed with policies of the Coastal Act, and
complied with the requirements of the City's Development Code. Therefore, Staff
recommended approval for the proposed project
Chairman Clark asked the Commission if they had questions for Staff.
Commissioner Paris asked if Staff considered alternatives such as a covenant to
ensure that the patio is not converted into living space and Assistant Planner
Schonborn replied that Staff proposed a condition requiring review by the Planning
Commision in the event that conversion of the structure to habitable space is proposed
Commissioner Alberio asked if the City's Geologist was satisfied with the analysis of
the subject property and Director/Secretary Rojas replied that based on a site visit, the
geologist felt that a report was not warranted.
Chairman Clark asked if there were any other streets in the City that had bluff -top
homes and Director/Secretary Rojas replied that besides those along Seacove (old and
new) Drive there were bluff top lots in the Lunada Pointe community.
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Commissioner Lyon moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Paris and passed.
Mr. Kevin McMinn. (contractor) 34 Seacove Drive, stated that his client would be glad
to provide Staff with a written statement indicating the use of their proposed project.
Mr McMinn explained that the purpose for the roof orientation was to match the
existing roof line, and stated that the owner would comply with all conditions of
approval
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, asked questions regarding interior lots, setbacks,
and geology report requirements for this project.
Director/Secretary Rojas replied that geology review requirements had been met since
the geologist had visited the subject site and determined that a report was not
warranted due to the nature of the project.
Commissioner Paris moved to close the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed.
Chairman Clark asked the Commission for comments and discussion on this item, and
being none, the following motion was made
Commissioner Alberio moved to accept Staffs recommendation to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 98-33; thereby approving Variance No. 435 and Coastal Permit No.
147, subject to conditions. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Lyon
and passed (6-0) by a roll -call vote.
Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period
NEW BUSINESS
None.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
Staff -
7. Pre -Agenda for the Planning Commission Meeting of October 13-
1998.
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Commission
None.
COMMENTS FROM AUDIENCE (regarding non -agenda items)
Lois Larue discussed issues regarding the Capitol Pacific Holdings Development
and unsafe road conditions at Palos Verdes Drive West.
ADJOURNMENT
At 10:02 P.M. Commissioner Alberio moved to adjourn the meeting to Tuesday,
October 13, 1998 at 7:00 P.M. in the Community Room at Hesse Park. The motion
was seconded by Commissioner Lyon. With no objections, it was so ordered by
Chairman Clark.
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