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PC MINS 19980628Approved 07/28/98 �v CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES PLANNING COMMISSION ADJOURNED MEETING JUNE 28, 1998 CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 2 10 P M. by Chairman Clark at the Ocean Trails project site. ROLL CALL Present Commissioners Alberio, Lyon, and Vannorsdall, Vice Chairman Cartwright, and Chairman Clark Commissioner Paris arrived at 2.20 P M and Commissioner Slayden arrived at 2.45 P.M. respectively Absent None. Also present were Assistant City Manager Petru, and Recording Secretary Morreale from the City and Mr Zuckerman and Mr. Pallinger representing Ocean Trails LP At the project site, Mr. Zuckerman displayed a photoboard of the proposed clubhouse and the maintenance facility. He stated that the ridgeline line of the roof was proposed at approximately 33' high and that an increase in the square footage in the size of the clubhouse was proposed to 33,000 square feet Mr Zuckerman stated that this was upon the request of their golf management company (Western Golf) to enable them to properly operate the facility Mr. Zuckerman informed the public and the Commission that the maximum occupancy for the banquet and the restaurant facilities would remain the same with no modifications proposed for the parking lot surrounding the clubhouse. Mr Zuckerman pointed -out the flagged -pole at the project site which represented the highest point of the roof of the clubhouse and stated that the clubhouse would not impose a view impairment for the surrounding neighborhood. In regards to the maintenance facility, Mr Zuckerman stated that the pad elevation would not change from the approved plans, but stated that the building would be relocated and the proposed size of the building would be increased. He stated that the proposed building was now modified to an elongated building which was tucked into the back of the slope The parking lot would be reconfigured to be located between the building and Paseo Del Mar Mr Zuckerman stated that there was a retaining wall at the rear of the building and that noise issues would be mitigated since the building only opened to one side Mr Zuckerman stated the reason for the increase in square footage in the size of the maintenance facility was to provide sufficient space to store their equipment inside rather than outside of the building Assistant City Manager Petru clarified to the Commission and the public that the view sections presented by the developer were not accurate and did not represent the actual view impact of the clubhouse Chairman Clark asked the public if they had questions for the developer regarding the proposed project. Mr. Raymond Green, 3200 La Rotunda Drive, asked what the elevation of the natural grade was compared to the building pad height of the clubhouse Mr Zuckerman replied it depended on what side of the building you stood at, since the natural grade at the front of the lower pad was probably about 204' and the back of the lower pad was about 200'. The difference between natural and finished grade would be approximately five feet above Mr. Herb Hyatt, 32424 Aqua Vista Drive, stated that the original clubhouse and parking lot was situated close to Palos Verdes Drive South and that the Seacliff Hills Homeowners Association fought strenuously to relocate the building so that it would not impact their view Ms. Sharon Solari, 4035 Palos Verdes Drive South, stated that the majority of the surrounding neighbors requested the developer to flag the proposed clubhouse to show how high the proposed project would be and if it would effect their views of the coastline and the ocean She felt that the single pole required by the Planning Commission was adequate for this purpose Mr. Walter Watson 3938 Exultant Drive, asked if all of the proposed home sites were approved in regards to height and location or if any of these homes had relocated and changed their height modifications. Assistant City Manager Petru replied that the pad heights and maximum building heights were established in 1992, but were slightly modified in one area when the clubhouse was relocated in 1994 Ms. Elizabeth Sax, 4022 Admirable Drive, asked if the developer could explain the process that he used to determine the grading and the height of the proposed homes to be developed Mr Zuckerman replied that they followed all procedures as required by the City This included filing an Environmental Impact Report, attending all hearings, obtaining Conditional Use Permits, and obtaining a development agreement over a period of years from the City Planning Commission Minutes June 28,1998 Page 2 Chairman Clark reminded the public that the proposed homes were not open for discussion at this time Mr. Bror Dahlberg 3200 La Rotunda Drive, asked if the decision to construct a silhouette for the clubhouse would be determined at the July 14, 1998 Planning Commission meeting Chairman Clark replied that at the regular meeting of June 23, 1998, the Commission discussed the construction of poles at the subject site to represent the highest point of the clubhouse Chairman Clark suggested that, after the Commission, Staff, and the public tour the perimeter of the area of the proposed maintenance building and visit the homes of the neighbors who invited them over to see the view towards the clubhouse, the Commission will take a vote on whether or not to construct a silhouette The Commission, Staff, and members of the public toured the proposed facility and viewed the proposed golf course from the subject site At the site of the proposed maintenance facility, Mr. Zuckerman stated that the location of the building sat back into the slope and that the height of the building was approximately 26' high Mr. Herb Hyatt, 32424 Aqua Vista Drive, asked what was the height of the retaining wall at the rear of the maintenance building and Mr Pallinger replied approximately 5' high Mr. Raymond Green, 3200 La Rotunda Drive, asked about the hours of operation for construction and Mr. Pallinger replied that the operation hours were governed by the City Municipal Code Assistant City Manager stated that hours were indicated in the Conditional Use Permit and that she would contact him after the meeting to clarify the hours Mr. Herb Hyatt 32424 Aqua Vista Drive, stated that although a retaining wall was proposed at the rear of the maintenance building he asked if there would be any noise impact from the maintenance building Commissioner Vannorsdall replied that he did not believe that there would be noise impacts since the maintenance building was set back into the slope and the doors faced away from the existing residences. Mr John Hamilton, 32214 Schooner Drive, asked if the developer anticipated planting trees along Palos Verdes Drive South and Mr. Zuckerman replied that they were not allowed to plant trees at that location Ms Petru confirmed that the conditions of approval restricted the height of vegetation on the project site Planning Commission Minutes June 28, 1998 Page 3 • Commissioner Lyon moved to not require the developer to construct a full silhouette framing at the subject site. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Vannorsdall and passed by a roll -call vote, (4-3) with Commissioner Paris, Vice Chairman Cartwright, and Chairman Clark dissenting. Commissioner Paris suggested to require the developer to add two additional poles depicting the visual length and width of the proposed clubhouse The motion died due to lack of a second Vice Chairman Cartwright moved to require the developer to add three additional poles to depict the length of the proposed clubhouse as viewed in the directions from the north, east, west, and south. The motion was seconded by Chairman Clark and passed by a roll -call vote, (4-3) with Commissioners Alberio, Lyon, and Vannorsdall dissenting. Chairman Clark informed the public that discussion and consideration for this item would continue at the meeting of July 14, 1998 + i • At 3:40 P.M. Commissioner Alberio moved to adjourn the meeting to the next regular meeting on July 14, 1998. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed. N XGROUPXPLANNINGIPCMINNINOS-28 98 Planning Commission Minutes June 28,1998 Page 4