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CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 24, 1998
The meeting was called to order at 7.03 P M by Chairman Clark at the Hesse Park
Community Building, 29310 Hawthorne Boulevard.
Chairman Clark welcomed Commissioner Paris and congratulated him on his
appointment to the Commission
FLAG SALUTE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Paris.
ROLL CALL
Present Commissioners Alberio, Cartwright, Paris, Slayden,
Vannorsdall, and Chairman Clark.
Absent Commissioner Lyon (excused)
Also present were Acting Director/Secretary Rojas, Senior Planner Snow, Associate
Planner Fox, Assistant Planner Louie, and Recording Secretary Atuatasi.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chairman Clark moved to consider the Agenda Items in the following order:
1st: The Selection of the Planning Commission Vice Chairman before
Communication
2nd: Agenda Item No. 5 (Six -Month Review of Outdoor Seating/Dining
Area at the Mobil Service Station and Convenience Store) after
Agenda Item No. 1;
3rd: Agenda Item Nos. 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7 in sequential order.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and passed(6-0).
SELECTION OF PLANNING COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN
Chairman Clark nominated Commissioner Cartwright for Vice Chairman. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and passed by a roll -call vote,
(6-0).
COMMUNICATIONS
Staff
Acting Director/Secretary Rojas distributed: 1) a letter of late correspondence
regarding Agenda Item No. 2 (Conditional Use Permit No. 191 - Revision 'A'); 2) a
memorandum from Commissioner Vannorsdall dated July 12, 1997 regarding the
"Commissioner's Responsibility" involving findings offered by City Engineers
and other specialist employed by the City; 3) the Department's Weekly
Administrative Report dated February 19, 1998 containing a memorandum from
Commissioner Vannorsdall dated February 11, 1998 regarding the "Properties of
Sound and Noise Abatement; and, 4) the City, State and Federal Roster.
Commission:
Chairman Clark asked Commissioner Paris to introduce himself and briefly
explain his background to the Commission and Staff.
Commissioner Paris stated that he was barn in Brooklyn, New York, and raised in
New Jersey. He attended Rutger's University (Newark Campus) and received and
received his Bachelor of Arts Degree at the age of nineteen. Mr. Paris minored in
Business, majored in Economics and, Accounting. In 1974 he was employed with
an accounting firm and has been in the accounting profession since that time.
From 1981 through 1985 he served as a Commissioner and also Chairman for the
Planning Commission of the City of Redondo Beach.
Chairman Clark reported on his attendance at the Mayor's Monthly Breakfast and
stated that he briefly discussed upcoming Planning Commission Agendas, and
airport noise issues.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Minutes of February 10, 1998
Commissioner Slayden requested that on page 3, paragraph 1, line 4 the word "mad"
be modified to read as, "made".
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Commissioner Vannorsdall requested that on page 4, paragraph 3, line 4 be modified
to read as, "...cautioned about the potential geologic issues when he met with Staff and
the applicant at the subject site."
Commissioner Slayden moved to approve the Minutes of February 10, 1998 as
amended. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Vannorsdall and passed,
(4-0-2) with Chairman Clark and Commissioner Paris abstaining since they were
not present at the meeting.
At this time, Agenda Item No 5 was considered
NEW BUSINESS
5. Six -Month Review of Outdoor Seating/Dining Area at the Mobil
Service Station and Convenience Store; Bill Myers, 28103 Hawthorne
Boulevard.
Associate Planner Fox summarized the Staff Report from the April 22, 1997 meeting
when the Commission granted Mr. Meyers' request to Install an outdoor seating/dining
area adjacent to the new convenience store area The Commission added conditions
requiring that the applicant monitor the outdoor seating/dining area to prevent loitering
and other illegal activities, and required that a six-month review of the area be
conducted by the Commission to ensure that the applicant complied with the required
conditions
Staff believed that the outdoor seating/dining area was being operated in compliance
with the conditions of approval. Associate Planner Fox stated that he had received no
comments or complaints from the public regarding the outdoor seating/dining area at
the Mobil station and convenience store. Therefore, Staff recommended that the
Commisison determine the outdoor seating/dining area to be in compliance with all
required conditions of approval
Commissioner Alberio moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Vannorsdall and passed.
Mr William Myers (applicant) 28103 Hawthorne Boulevard stated that he was
available to answer any questions from the Commission.
Lois Larue. 3136 Barkentine Road stated she had visited the service station one day
and noticed that Mr Myers had removed the tables and chairs from the outdoor
seating/dining area at 7 00 p.m. She asked why the tables and chairs were being
removed before dusk and the employee replied that removal was required by the
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conditions of approval for the seating area Lois felt that the tables and chairs were
removed too early from the area and thought that the outdoor furniture was supposed
to be removed by 8.00 p m In any case, she complimented the appearance of the
service station and stated that it was an improvement to the community
Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by
Commissioner Paris. With no objection, the Public Hearing was declared closed
by Chairman Clark.
Chairman Clark asked for Commission discussion of this item
Commissioner Paris stated he had visited the service station on several occasions, and
was pleased with the monitoring of the outdoor seating area as well as the clean
appearance Mr Paris added that it was quiet during his visit and felt that the outdoor
seating/dining area was in compliance with the required conditions of approval
Commissioner Vannorsdall also frequented the service station and concurred with the
comments of Commissioner Paris
Commissioner Alberio had no comments
Vice Chairman Cartwright stated that he felt the 8 00 p.m. deadline for removal of the
tables and chairs in the outdoor seating/dining area should be retained. He felt that the
addition to the service station was very well designed and stated that it was an asset to
the community
Chairman Clark complemented Mr. Myers and stated that he had set the standard of
excellence with his service station
Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to find that the outdoor/seating area at the
Mobil Service Station was in compliance with all required conditions of approval.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and passed by a unanimous
roll -call vote, (6-0).
Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Conditional Use Permit No. 191 - Revision W: Nextel/Ocean View
Apartments, 6507 Ocean Crest Drive.
Commissioner Vannorsdall recused himself from this item since he lives within close
proximity of the proposed project.
Associate Planner Fox presented the Staff Report and stated that the applicant
submitted an application for a Conditional Use Permit Revision to the City requesting
for the co -location of eight (8) enhanced specialized Mobil Radio (ESMR) antennae
and support equipment at the Ocean View Apartments The application was deemed
complete in December 1997
Mr Fox stated Staffs belief that the findings for a Conditional Use Permit could be
made for the co -location of the proposed antennae and support equipment. Staff
indicated that the proposed antennae location is a co -location with panel antennae
approved with the original Conditional Use Permit No 191 Staff therefore
recommended approval of the Conditional Use Permit Revision subject to conditions
Chairman Clark indicated on page 4 of the Staff Report under RPVDC Section
17 76 020(A)(7) that two off-street parking spaces were required for antenna
installation sites He felt that additional parking stalls may not be necessary for all
antenna applications submitted to the City and asked Staff if they looked into a
potential for this revision in the City's Development Code
Acting Director/Secretary Rojas replied that Staff had identified this issue and stated
that revision to the Development Code would likely be recommended
Chairman Clark suggested when the revision is made that the two parking spaces not
be a mandatory condition, but that Staff would conduct an analysis first to determine
whether or not parking spaces should be required.
Commissioner Alberio moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Vice Chairman Cartwright and passed.
Mr. Rob MacMullan. (applicant) 17275 Derian Avenue, Irvine, CA, 92614 reviewed the
Staff Report and stated that he felt the proposed project met the guidelines of the City's
Code Mr MacMullan was available for questions from the Commission
Commissioner Paris asked if there were any adverse impacts for the reception of
cordless phones and radios in the community
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Mr. MacMullan replied that there were no impacts, and that such issues were regulated
by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Mr. MacMullan also stated that
Nextel had not had complaints or problems with other similar facilities
Commissioners Albeno and Slayden, and Vannorsdall had no questions
Vice Chairman Cartwright commented on other radio antennae services not providing
reception in certain areas of the City, and hoped that Nextel would provide service for
these particular areas (dead zones)
Chairman Clark asked the applicant to briefly explain the master plan and why certain
sites were selected for the installation of antennae
Mr. MacMullan replied that the proposed selected sites within the City were located at
Palos Verdes Drive West, Hawthorne Boulevard, and possibly Crenshaw Boulevard.
He informed the Commission that one of their commercial sites was located at 25th
Street covering certain sections of Western Avenue and that this site was permitted
through the City of Los Angeles Mr. MacMullan also informed the Commission that an
application was submitted to the City for a proposed site at the Portuguese Bend area
to provide services from 25th Street up to Palos Verdes Drive West where St Paul's
Lutheran Church was located He mentioned that Nextel had a current application on
file with the City for an antennae installation at St Peter's By The Sea that was deemed
incomplete by Staff due to the design. Mr MacMullan stated that the application
discussed at this time was located at Ocean Crest and would service the area at
Hawthorne Boulevard and some sections of Crest Road. He mentioned that one of
Nextel's first antennae installation sites was located in the City of Palos Verdes Estates
and that it serviced up to the area through Palos Verdes Drive West. Another antenna
site which Mr MacMullan pointed out was located in the City of Lomita He stated that
their main objective was to provide services for the businesses and multiple users in
the City
Commissioner Slayden moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by
Commissioner Alberio. With no objections, the Public Hearing was declared
closed by Chairman Clark.
Chairman Clark asked for Commission discussion of this item
Vice Chairman Cartwright felt that the proposed project complied with the guidelines
and also mentioned the fact that the guidelines encouraged the designing of a master
plan indicating areas of existing antennae installations such as, in a non -single family
areas and, co -locating antennae in areas where there were existing antennae Mr
Cartwright stated that the proposed project was co -locating and believed that this
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reduced clutter and also that the exterior was well designed He therefore, supported
Staffs recommendation for approval
Chairman Clark echoed Vice Chairman Cartwright's comments, and was concerned
with two issues regarding the proposed project and the other at St. Paul's Lutheran
Church. He wondered how the services and sites were distributed in the Peninsula
area (Rancho Palos Verdes in comparison to other cities on the Peninsula) since he
observed that maybe one or two other cities were not interested in this type of service
(antennae installation), yet benefited from the facilities in Rancho Palos Verdes Mr
Clark was also concerned with the concept of the master plan since it was only a 2 -year
projection He felt that this 2 -year master plan was not a long enough term, and that
the Commission should discuss and arrive at a long term projection so that the
Commission and the Public would have a better understanding of future sites in the
City
Commissioners Alberio, Paris, and Slayden had no additional comments
Commissioner Slayden moved to accept Staffs recommendation to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 98-8, thereby approving Conditional Use Permit No. 191 - Revision
'A', subject to conditions. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio
and with no objections from the Commission, the motion passed (5-0-1) with
Commissioner Vannorsdall abstaining.
Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period.
3. Conditional Use Permit No. 193 - Revision 'A' and Minor Exception
Permit No. 528• St. Paul's Lutheran Church 31290 Palos Verdes
Drive West.
Associate Planner Fox presented the Staff Report and stated that the applicant
submitted an application for a Conditional Use Permit to the City requesting the co -
location of two specialized panel antennae inside the 38 -foot -tall cross and
underground support equipment at St. Paul's Lutheran Church. The application was
deemed complete in January 1998 Staff briefly discussed the Minor Exception Permit
proposing a reduced side yard setback for the underground equipment enclosure
Mr Fox stated that Staff believed that the findings for a Conditional Use Permit
Revision could be made for the proposed panel antennae and underground support
equipment. Staff therefore recommended approval of the Conditional Use Permit and
Minor Exception Permit subject to conditions of approval
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Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed.
Mr. Rob MacMullan.. 17275 Derian Avenue, Irvine, CA, 92614 had read and accepted
the conditions of approval as indicated in the Staff Report and stated that Nextel re-
designed the proposed project with the guidelines in mind
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road stated her displeasure with the Commission's
previous approval of antennae inside the cross at the subject site She strongly
opposed the proposed project and requested that the Commission deny the applicant's
request Lois also stated her opinion that the church was conducting a business and
her belief that this was inappropriate
Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by
Commissioner Alberio. With no objections, the Public Hearing was declared
closed by Chairman Clark.
Chairman Clark asked for Commission discussion of this item
Commissioner Vannorsdall supported Staffs recommendation and Commissioner
Slayden concurred.
Commissioner Alberio stated that the church should look into obtaining a business
license if they are conducting a business
Vice Chairman Cartwright stated that he did not believe that this activity impacted the
primary use of the property
Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to accept Staff's recommendation to adopt
P.C. Resolution No. 98-9, thereby approving Conditional Use Permit No. 193 -
Revision 'A' and Minor Exception Permit No. 528, subject to conditions. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed by a unanimous
roll -call vote, (6-0).
Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period.
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 8.11 P.M. there was a brief recess until the meeting reconvened at 8 25 P M
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4. Height Variation No 850. Site Plan Review No 8112, and Major
Grading Permit No 1986• Mr. & Mrs Victor Chen 30828 Marne Drive
Assistant Planner Louie presented the Staff Report and stated that the applicant
submitted applications to the City for a Height Variation Permit, Mayor Grading Permit,
and Site Plan Review Permit requesting the construction of a new 698 square foot
three -car garage, a 279 square foot first story addition, and a 723 square foot second -
story addition above the new three -car garage. The expansions total 1,700 square feet
and 466 cubic yards of grading was necessary to implement the project The
application was deemed complete in December 1997
Ms Louie stated that Staff believed that the necessary findings for a Height Variation
could be made to allow the second story to exceed the sixteen foot height limit Ms
Louie also mentioned that the proposed project would not significantly impact the
privacy of the adjacent properties and would be compatible with the neighborhood
structures. Staff determined that the grading amount was reasonable for the proposed
project and therefore, recommended approval of the Height Variation, Mayor Grading
Permit, and the Site Plan Review subject to conditions of approval
Commissioner Alberio asked if there was a protected view from the neighboring
property at 30806 Marne Drive Staff replied that there was While reading the Staff
Report Mr. Alberio inspected the protected view as segmented, and felt that a view in
its entirety should be protected, and should not be sectioned
Acting Director/Secretary Rojas stated that the portion of the view of the shoreline from
the exterior deck, would not be a part of the protected view since the viewing area was
determined to be from inside the home Therefore, Staff believed that the small section
of the shoreline visible from the interior viewing area impacted by the proposed project
did not constitute a significant view impairment.
Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed.
Mr Rick Yeh. (applicant's architect) 30828 Marne Drive stated that the Staff Report
was very well detailed and discussed a couple of issues regarding minimizing view
impacts Mr Yeh stated that the first story addition was located near the existing
garage and would not exceed the height of the existing ridgeline and the new garage
was below the existing grade and would not encroach into the front yard setback He
also mentioned that the design of the proposed structure was compatible with the
neighboring homes in the area.
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Mr. Victor Chen. (applicant) 30828 Marne Drive was aware that Staff had notified
residents within a 500 foot radius of his proposed project. Mr Chen stated that as a
courtesy to his neighbors he tried several time to contact them and inform them of the
additions to his existing home, but unfortunately was not able to reach them since they
did not put effort into communicating with him
Commissioner Alberio asked Mr Chen if he was willing to reach a compromise with his
neighbors to resolve issues that they (neighbors) were concerned about.
Mr Yen replied that the design of the proposed structure was the only alternative of
constructing a three -car garage
Ms. Theresa Huang. 30806 Marne Drive, opposed the proposed project due to the fact
that her family's view of Catalina Island would be impaired from Mr Chen's proposed
addition Ms Huang stated that not only will their view be taken away, but that Mr
Chen's property value would increase
Vice Chairman Cartwright asked Ms Huang if she or her family members made an
effort in communicating with the applicant regarding the proposed project.
Ms Huang replied that she and her sister were home, but her parents were not when
the applicant came to discuss the proposal
Mr Chen stated that he had left several messages on their recording machine and that
he never received a response from the Huang's
Mr. Eddy Liu, 1012 Fairoaks Avenue #308, South Pasadena, CA, 91030 a licensed
architect represented the Huangs Mr Liu stated that he conducted studies of his
client's view impact from the proposed addition. He had photographs for display The
Commission allowed Mr Liu to display the photographs and he then explained that his
clients concern was the massive bulk of the proposed project and how his client's view
would be changed by the proposed modification to the building
Mr. James Wang, 501 E Rodell Place, Arcadia, CA, 91006 a real estate broker, stated
that five years ago he assisted the Huang's with the purchase of their property At that
time the Huang's purchased their home with a view Mr Wang believed that the value
of the Huang home would decrease since there would be a significant view impact. He
did not concur with Staffs recommendation and believed that Mr Huang should have
been informed of his rights to protect his view
Vice Chairman Cartwright stated that the City has a Development Code stating that a
resident is entitled to construct a home and that the proposed project being developed
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was below the ridgeline He also stated his feeling that the view of the small portion of
Portuguese Point from the deck area was not protected.
Commissioner Vannorsdall moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by Vice
Chairman Cartwright. With no objections, the Public Hearing was declared
closed by Chairman Clark.
Chairman Clark asked for Commission discussion of this item
Commissioner Slayden stated that from the inside of the Huang's resident there was
not much of a view in the direction of the applicant's home and especially in the back of
the home where there was much forage, with the exception of the view of Abalone
Cove from the balcony. Mr. Slayden stated that the view in this case was not a major
factor
Commissioner Paris suggested the applicant and appellant meet to resolve the
conflicting issues.
Commissioner Vannorsdall suggested that the applicant look into constructing a tiered -
wall to soften the impact in lieu of the proposed eight foot retaining wall.
Commissioner Alberio concurred with Commissioner Vannorsdall and also suggested
that the applicant and appellant try to reach a compromise
Vice Chairman Cartwright believed that the mass of the proposed protect would not
significantly impair the view of the appellant, and could be softened with the suggestion
of a tiered -wall Mr Cartwright stated that the applicant was entitled to develop as
indicated in the Code and agreed with Staffs recommendation
Chairman Clark echoed the comments of Vice Chairman Cartwright
The Commission discussed the tiered wall issue raised by Commissioner Vannorsdall,
and concurred that Staff should work with the applicant and consider redesigning the
wall if feasible
Commissioner Slayden moved to accept Staffs recommendation to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 98-10, thereby approving Height Variation No. 850, Major Grading
Permit No. 1986, and Site Plan Review No. 8119, subject to the proposed
conditions and directed Staff to explore tiered wall designs with the applicant.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Vannorsdall and passed by a
unanimous roll -call vote, (6-0).
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Chairman Clark noted the 15 -day appeal period.
NEW BUSINESS
6. Commission Business Discussion Items
Senior Planner Snow stated that Commissioner Vannorsdall submitted a memorandum
to Staff regarding Business Items for Discussion.
The discussion included 1) the desire for a Special Training Session for the
Commisison to review the Development Code and this session was scheduled for
Saturday, March 28, 1998, 10 30 A.M. in the Fire Side Room at Fred Hesse Community
Park, 2) Commissioner Vannorsdall reiterated to the Commission that he distributed a
memorandum earlier that evening for the Commissioners information regarding the
"Commissioner's Responsibility" involving findings offered by City Engineers and other
Specialist employed by the City, 3) obtaining an organization chart for the whole City
Staff, 4) revising and updating the January 1996 memorandum regarding "What Does
Our Department Do?" along with updated background information of the
Commissioners and Staff, 5) preparing a map indicating the location of mayor
developments that may appear on the Commission Agenda during this two-year term,
and, 6) conducting a tour of City Hall.
Staff replied that they would follow-up on Item Nos 3, 4, and 5 and keep the
Commisison informed with the exception of Item No 6 which is available upon request
from individual Commissioners
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
Staff
7. Pre -agenda for the Planning Commission meeting of March 10, 1998.
Commission
COMMENTS FROM AUDIENCE (regarding non -agenda items]
None.
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ADJOURNMENT
At 10:14 P.M. Commissioner Slayden moved to adjourn the meeting, seconded by
Commissioner Paris. There being no objection, the meeting was duly adjourned
by Chairman Clark.
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