PC MINS 19980113CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
JANUARY 13, 1998
APPROVED
JANUARY 270 1998
The meeting was called to order at 7 00 P.M by Chairman Vannorsdall at the Hesse
Park Community Building, 29310 Hawthorne Boulevard
FLAG SALUTE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Acting Director/Secretary Rous.
ROLL CALL
Present- Commissioners Alberio, Cartwright, Clark, Slayden, and
Vice Chairman Whiteneck, and Chairman Vannorsdall.
Absent Commissioner Ng (late/excused).
Also present were Acting Director/Secretary Rojas, Senior Planner Snow, Associate
Planner Fox, Assistant Planner Louie, Assistant Planner Schonborn, Staff Assistant
Zents and Recording Secretary Atuatasi
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Alberio moved to approve the agenda as presented. The motion
was seconded by Vice Chairman Whiteneck and passed, (6-0).
COMMUNICATIONS
Staff
Staff distributed revised resolutions for Agenda Item Nos. 2 and 3 and reduced
revised plans for Agenda Item No. 3.
Acting Director/Secretary Rojas introduced Assistant Planner Schonborn and
Staff Assistant Zents to the Commission.
Commission
Commissioner Clark and Chairman Vannorsdall commended Acting
Director/Secretary Rojas on his promotion and welcomed him to the Commission
meeting.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Fence, Wall & Hedge Permit No. 20 - Appeal: Jeff Logan, 28757
Enrose Avenue [applicant]; R.A. Bundgard, 6708 Via Canada
[appellant].. (KF).
Associate Planner Fox stated that this item was considered at the December 9, 1997
meeting The Commission's action resulted in overturning the Director's decision to
require additional trimming of the ash trees and therefore the Commission directed Staff
to bring back the appropriate resolution to the meeting of January 13, 1998 Mr Fox
recommended that the Commission adopt the resolution for this issue, but in regards to
the construction of the wall, suggested that the Commission modify the resolution to
require portions of the wall exceeding four feet in height be modified to meet the four
foot requirement.
Commissioner Alberio suggested that the Commission should listen to the public
testimony regarding this item, and Acting Director/Secretary Rojas suggested that the
Commission remove this item from the Consent Calendar in order to do so
Commissioner Clark moved to remove this item from the Consent Calendar. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and passed.
Mr. Roy Bungard, (appellant) 6708 Via Canada, Bungard stated that he was out of town
during the holidays and upon his arrival home noticed that the wall being built exceeded
the height limitation and was visible from his property Mr Bungard was informed by
his neighbor, Mr Johnson that Mr Fox was investigating this issue Mr Bungard was
inquired about the status of this situation and ended his testimony by stating that the
wall was too high and that there was no wrought iron railing on the top of the wall
Mr. Arthur Johnson. (adjacent neighbor) 6712 Via Canada, stated that his neighbor, Mr
Daniel Hall who resides at 6716 Via Canada was not able to attend this meeting, but
had written a letter to the Director describing the construction of the wall, its
exceedance of the height limitation and how it blocks half of his view Mr Johnson
stated that the construction of the wall commenced during the holidays He confronted
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Mr Logan regarding this issue and told him that the four foot limitation of the wall
should be measured on his side of the wall, not the interior side
Mr Jeff Logan. (applicant) 28757 Enrose, stated that when he originally applied for the
permit he asked about the six foot block wall around his property He stated that it was
confirmed by the City that a four foot or five foot block wall could be erected with the
exception that the four foot wall required one foot of wrought iron. Mr. Logan stated
that when he submitted his original plans to the City, the wall to the north was approved
for a height of four and five feet and that he was told by the City that this did not require
a fence, wall and hedges permit since he was the "abutting" property owner He was
also told that as long as the wall was under six feet that he was within the City
Guidelines Mr Logan stated that he had received a letter from the City regarding the
appeal, and believed that the appeal did not include the building of the wall. He
interpreted that construction of the wall as approved. After the holidays, Mr. Logan
contacted Associate Planner Fox and inquired if he could fill two and a half feet where
the four foot wall was located and then inquired if it was necessary to obtain a permit.
He stated that Mr. Fox replied that he was not required to obtain one Mr Logan then
provided photographs to the Commission for their review
Commissioner Ng arrived at 7.29 p m during the discussion of this item
Commissioner Clark moved to continue the Public Hearing of this item to a date
certain to reopen the matter to examine the issues associated with the wall,
directed Staff to conduct further review of this project, and suggested that the
Commission revisit the site. The motion was seconded by Commissioner
Cartwright and passed by a roll -call vote, (5-0-2) with Commissioner Ng and Vice
Chairman Whiteneck abstaining.
Acting/Director Secretary Rous reminded the Commission that the Public Hearing must
be renoticed and therefore should be scheduled for the February 10, 1998 meeting.
CONTINUED BUSINESS
None.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Height Variation No. 851; Gary and Michelle Miley, 1541 Toscanini
Drive (LL)
Assistant Planner Louie presented the Staff Report and stated that the applicant
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submitted the application seeking approval of a height variation to allow a second floor
addition of 457 square feet above the existing 472 square foot two -car garage, with a
maximum height of twenty-two feet seven inches Ms Louie stated that the application
was deemed complete on November 20, 1997, after submittal of the necessary
information
Ms Louie concluded her presentation by stating that Staff analyzed the information and
determined that the nine findings for granting a height variation to the applicant could
be made The second story addition in excess of the sixteen foot height limit was found
to be compatible with the other homes in the neighborhood therefore, Staff
recommended approval of Height Variation No 851 subject to conditions
Chairman Vannorsdall asked if there were any speakers for this item, and Recording
Secretary Atuatasi replied that there were none
Chairman Vannorsdall asked the Commissioners if they desired to discuss this item, the
Commission had no comments
Commissioner Clark moved to accept Staffs recommendation to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 98-1, thereby approving Height Variation No. 851 subject to
conditions. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Slayden and passed by
a unanimous roll -call vote, (7-0)
Chairman Vannorsdall noted the 15 -day appeal period
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 7 59 P M there was a brief recess until 8 07 P M when the meeting reconvened
3. Conditional Use Permit No. 68 - Revision 'D' and Grading Permit No.
1931; John and Madonna Beal, 19 Marguerite Drive (KF)
Associate Planner Fox presented the Staff Report and stated that the landowner
submitted an application for grading to the City on March 12, 1997 The request
included modifications to the northerly side -yard setback and side -yard wall height and
1,648 cubic yards of grading for the construction of a new 7,702 square foot single-
family residence in the Lunada Pointe Community
Mr Fox mentioned the fact the Commission adopted P C Resolution No 81-57,
approving Conditional Use Permit No 68 for a residential planned development in
conjunction with Tract No 40640 (Lunada Pointe), a 25 -lot single-family subdivision
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located seaward of Palos Verdes Drive West at Marguerite Drive Conditional Use
Permit No 68 established development standards for the Lunada Pointe community,
including individual pad elevations, ridge heights, wall heights and setbacks Mr Fox
stated that after the January 13th Staff report for this item was completed, the applicant
provided revised square footage and lot coverage figures, based on minor changes to
the project. He stated that Staff had no time to review this minor changes due to short
notification from the applicant
Mr Fox ended his presentation and stated that based on the analysis as presented in
the Staff Report, it was believed that the findings for a conditional use permit revision or
grading permit could be made for the project as proposed However, Staff also
believed that the requested reduction in the northerly side -yard setback was not
consistent with the original intent of the conditional use permit and the quantity of
grading proposed was excessive. Mr. Fox stated Staff believed that the proposed
project could be redesigned so that the findings for both permits could be made.
Therefore, staff recommended denial of Conditional Use Permit No. 68 - Revision 'D'
and Grading Permit No 1931 as proposed.
Commissioner Ng moved to open the Public Hearing. The motion was seconded
by Commissioner Cartwright and passed.
Chairman Vannorsdall asked if there were any speakers for this item.
Mr. Russ Barto. (applicants architect) 3 Malaga Cove Plaza, stated that he was trying to
develop a proposal that the Commission would find acceptable He stated that the
subject site has many constraints due to its location Mr Barto stated that he was
designing the proposed project to accommodate the functional needs of his client who
utilizes a wheel -chair.
Mr John Beal. (applicant) 7242 Avenida Altisima, stated that his home was being
designed for his use due to his physical condition. Mr Beal stated that he travels at
least three times a week to Irvine for his exercise program, where he has access to
wheel -chair accessible equipment for training, and that his doctor recommended
increasing his exercise program to arrest his neurological condition Mr Beal stated that
exercise facilities in this area do not carry this type of exercise equipment, so he
decided to incorporate a gymnasium into the proposed single-family home. The
proposed basement would have ample space for the wheel -chair accessible equipment
and, noise levels would be kept to a minimum He mentioned that the only negative
issue in constructing his new home would be the removing of the soil (grading) from the
subject site Mr. Beal stated that if the grading does take place to allow the residence
as proposed, it would be beneficial to him in the years to come He stated that his
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present home is difficult to enter due to the stairways and has other accessibility
problems that he would very much like to resolve in the construction of his new home
as proposed
Mrs. Madonna Beal 7242 Avenida Altisima, requested that the Commission consider
the proposed project She mentioned the fact that her husband (John) drives a hand
control vehicle, and requested approval of the proposed grading to avoid difficulty for
her husband in driving on a steep slope Mrs Beal stated that an additional reason for
the requested grading was to create flat space that is wheel -chair accessible and would
allow Mr. Beal to travel around the home
Mr Bruce Burrell, 1605 Patton Street, San Pedro, CA, stated that he had no other
comments to add, but based on his historic involvement in the Lunada Pointe
development that he would be glad to answer questions that the Commission had
regarding the subdivision conditional use permit for the subject site.
Ms. Lorna Burrell, 31244 Palos Verdes Drive West, commended the applicant for the
design of the proposed project She stated that she was very familiar with the area
(Lunada Pointe) and felt that the proposed height would not impact the view of the
adjacent neighbor. Ms. Burrell felt that exporting sixteen hundred cubic yards of soil
would be no problem since the area residents were very pleasant, cooperative and
would not mind if a couple of trucks exported the soil from the subject site Ms Burrell
requested that the Commisison grant approval to the applicant for the construction of
the proposed home
Commissioner Cartwright moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by
Commissioner Ng. There being no objection, the Public Hearing was declared
closed by the Chairman.
Chairman Vannorsdall began the discussion among the Commissioners and stated that
he believed raising the elevation (final grade) of the proposed project by one or two feet
would be practical and would reduce the slope of the driveway, and would reduce the
amount of soil to export Chairman Vannorsdall suggested that Staff conduct further
review and work together with the applicant to explore other alternatives.
Commissioner Slayden concurred with the Chairman and added that Staff should
review the subject site, fences and height level in order to resolve the situation
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Commissioner Ng suggested that Staff conduct further review of the proposed project
and explore other means to reduce the quantity some of grading. She too suggested
that Staff work together with the applicant to resolve the issues.
Commissioner Cartwright supported continued work between the applicant and Staff to
explore different options regarding this significant grading issue He stated that raising
the roof line would be challenge, but that Commission and Staff need to be sensitive to
the site constraints
Commissioner Clark concurred with his colleagues and stated that there should be a
solution meaningful for both the Commission and the applicant and that Staff should
conduct further research
Vice Chairman Whiteneck also concurred with his fellow Commissioners and felt that
exporting another 200 to 300 cubic yards of fill was not that much different if it resulted
in a superior site layout
Commissioner Alberio commended the architect for the design of the proposed project
and stated that he had no problem with the amount of export propose He felt that
raising the elevation may impose problems for the adjacent residents with respect to
views. Commissioner Alberio supported the proposed project
Commissioner Albeno requested to entertain a motion
At this time, Acting Director/Secretary Rojas clarified to the Commisison that evaluating
the alternatives, such as raising the elevation, would be done without the benefit of a
silouhette unless the Commission requested that the applicant erect one. Mr. Rojas
sought Commission direction regarding the side -yard setback issue. The Commission
indicated that silhouette construction was not necessary for this project.
Commissioner Clark responded by saying that they should continue to listen to
Commissioner Albeno's motion and then decide on direction for Staff regarding the
side -yard setback issue
Commissioner Alberio moved to approve Conditional Use Permit No. 68 -Revision
'D' and Grading Permit No. 1931 as currently proposed, and direct Staff to return
with the appropriate resolution for adoption. The motion was seconded by
Commissioner Slayden and failed by a roll -call vote, (3-4) with Commissioners
Cartwright, Clark, Ng, and Chairman Vannorsdall dissenting.
Commissioner Clark moved to continue the Public Hearing of this item to a date
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certain and directed Staff to work with the applicant to explore other alternatives
to resolve issues pertaining to the reduction of the northerly side -yard setback
and the excessive grading. The motion was seconded by Commissioner
Cartwright and passed by a roll -call vote, (5-2) with Commissioner Alberio and
Vice Chairman Whiteneck dissenting.
Acting Director/Secretary Rojas reminded the Commission that it would be necessary
for the applicant to obtain an extension for the project if it is continued for Public
Hearing beyond January 19, 1998 deadline, and Mr. Barto indicated the applicants
concurrence with the necessary extension.
Chairman Vannorsdall asked Staff for scheduled date to continue this item.
Acting Director/Secretary Rojas responded that February 10, 1998 would be
appropriate to allow Staff to conduct further analysis of the proposed project, and to
meet with the applicant
NEW BUSINESS
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
Staff
4. Pre -agenda for the Planning Commission meeting of January 27}
1998.
Commission
Commissioner Ng announced that she had not re-applied for the Commission
this year and that this was her last meeting to attend. She expressed her
gratitude towards the Commission and Staff and commended them for their
professionalism and services contributed during her tenure. Commissioner Ng
stated that this was a very enriching experience for her.
Fellow Commissioners expressed appreciation to Commissioner Ng for her
service.
The Commission requested a projection and description of the future workload
for 1998 particularly the major projects such as, the Marriott and Ocean Trails
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projects.
COMMENTS FROM AUDIENCE (regarding non -agenda items)
At 9:25 P.M. Commissioner Alberio moved to adjourn the meeting, seconded by
Vice Chairman Whiteneck. There being no objection, the meeting was duly
adjourned by Chairman Vannorsdall.
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