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PLANNING COMMISSION
SPECIAL MEETING
NOVEMBER 5, 1992
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Acting Chairman Byrd
at Hesse Park Community Center, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard, Rancho
Palos Verdes, CA.
PRESENT: Commissioners Alberio, Clark, Hayes, Lorenzen and Mowlds,
Vice Chairman Byrd and Chairman Katherman (arrived at 7:45
P.M.).
ABSENT: None
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Dudley Onderdonk,
Planning Administrator Carolynn Petru, and Associate Planner Terry
Silverman. The Pledge of Allegiance followed.
REPORTS AND COMMUNICATIONS - Vice Chairman Byrd advised that the
meeting was being video taped by the Palos Verdes Land Holding Company
and would not be on Channel 3.
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Minutes of October 13, 1992.
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved, seconded by Commissioner Hayes, to
approve the minutes of October 13, 1992. Motion passed 6-0, with
Chairman Katherman not voting as he had not yet arrived.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. REVISIONS TO VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 50666 AND 50667
CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS NO. 162 AND 163 COASTAL PERMIT NO 103
GRADING PERMIT NO. 1541, AND AN ADDENDUM TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
REPORT NO. 36; Palos Verdes Land Holding Company and Zuckerman,
Subregion 7 and 8.
Requested Action: Approve an 83 lot single family residential
development with an 18 -hole public golf course, clubhouse, and
passive open space on approximately 260 acres now known as "Ocean
Trails".
Director Onderdonk advised that the primary issues the Commission had
to address were: Whether the revised project conforms to all applica-
ble City regulations, including the General Plan, the local coastal
plans, the Development Code and whether the EIR as supplemented by the
addendum complies with the CEQA by adequately describing the revised
project and by adequately analyzing all of the environmental impacts
of the project.
Planning Administrator Petru presented the staff report stating that
the Applicant had met with the Coastal Commission staff to discuss
modifications of the project. They also met with the State Department
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of Fish and Game and the U. S Fish and Wildlife Service to discuss
issues related to preservation and restoration of sensitive habitat on
the site. The Ocean Trails plan (formerly known as Subregions 7 & 8)
was developed to address the concerns about public access, public
recreation and habitat preservation raised at the August 12, 1992
Coastal Commission Staff Report denying the original plan.
The revised Ocean Trails plan reduced the size of the proposed golf
course and residential common open space lots in order to create
public open space which is being offered for dedication to the City.
These public open space lots provide public access to the coastline,
passive public recreational opportunities, habitat preservation and
enhancement areas. Preservation of public access and biological
resources is further supplemented by including additional trails and
habitat areas within some of the common open space lots. Therefore,
staff felt that the modified project fully complied with the provi-
sions of the City's General Plan, Coastal Specific Plan and Develop-
ment Code. Also, the Planning Commission will have the opportunity to
review the final Public Amenities Plan, Biological Resource Preserva-
tion Plan, Golf Course Plan and Runoff Management and Water Quality
Control Plan before construction can begin on the project. Ms. Petru
informed the Commission that geological investigations are ongoing on
the site. Therefore, if it is found that lots 34 through 38 in Tract
50667 cannot be developed for geological reasons, staff asked that
flexibility be built into the approval to allow the applicants to move
the golf -and habitat restoration into that portion of the site without
having to come back for a major Conditional Use Permit revision.
Staff recommended that the Planning Commission recommend approval of
the Addendum to the EIR and the revisions to the Vesting Tentative
Tract Maps and re -approval of the Parcel Maps to the City Council and
approve the revisions to the Coastal Permit, Conditional Use Permits,
and Grading Permit.
Commissioner Clark reported that the Planning Commission subcommittee
had met with City staff and the developer and found that there were
significant improvements and alterations to the project and that he
felt the project was now responsive to the concerns that were ex-
pressed by the Coastal Commission.
MOTION: commissioner Alberio moved, seconded by commissioner Hayes,
that speakers be allowed three minutes instead of five minutes per
person. motion passed 5-2 by a raise of hands.
Mike Mohler (ARRlicant), Palos Verdes Land Holding Company, 25200 La
Paz, Laguna Hills, stated that they had reduced the residential areas
from 95.2 acres to 87.9 acres and reduced the golf course area from
121.2 acres to 101.4 acres, added a trail, moved hole ten of the golf
course, left remaining the original access to the tidepools, and
brought another entrance to the passive park and Shoreline Park
between Lots 4 and 5. He said that the active park on Half Way Point
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had been increased by 1.7 acres and the invasive vegetation proposed
(manicured lawns) had been pulled back from the bluff face to protect
the coastal bluff scrub. The Coastal Commission had a concern about
the trails in the east/west bluff top corridor area because they were
a minimum of four feet wide. Also, the description did not include
the buffers or the minimum easement sizes to the satisfaction of the
Coastal Commission. Mr. Mohler stated he agreed to criteria of 8.4
acres in addition to the other parks, minimum buffer width of 25 feet
to 100 feet averaging 75 feet along the bluff edge. The Coastal
Commission staff also indicated that there were ambiguities in the
dedication of parks since they were not delineated on the map. The
applicant has illustrated exactly what is proposed to be dedicated
with a west bluff passive park. The former golf hole ten preserve
lots will also be dedicated. The conditions further say that improve-
ments as per the final access plan and public approval plans will be
completed prior to the first certificate of occupancy for either
residential or the golf course uses.
Mr. Mohler stated that when they met with the Coastal Commission staff
after denial, three major items came up: (1) not enough public
space/access, (2) they the applicant to work with Fish and Game and
the Wild Life Service on the habitat plan, and (3) holes eight and ten
should be relocated. He said that the project had been changed to
reduce residential acreage by 7.3 acres, and to reduce the golf course
by 19.8 acres. The corresponding 27.1 acres has been created for
public access. He stated they had no objection to staff's request for
75 public parking spaces on the relocated Paseo del Mar, however, he
would like the 50 parking spaces to remain on the eastern dedicated
parking area for a total of 125 dedicated parking spots.
MOTION: Commissioner Alberio moved to reconsider his motion, seconded
by Commissioner Hayes. Motion passed 7-0.
MOTION: Commissioner Clark moved, seconded by Commissioner Alberio,
that both sides be given one hour each to be allocated as they so
desire. Motion passed 7-0.
Mr. Mohler said that he did not agree with staff's request that there
be a trail at the third cul-de-sac between the residential lots since
anybody in that area would only have to walk by four houses to the
north to get on the main trail to Half Way Point. Also, staff is
requesting a trail between Lots 6 and 7 at the end of the cul-de-sac.
Since there is a much steeper grade in that area and the habitat is
much more sensitive and lush, he would rather omit that trail and
instead keep the additional trail requested in the original plan. Mr.
Mohler responded to staff's concern that the tee boxes immediately
west of Half Way Point park could be in conflict with the landing and
take off patterns of remote controlled airplanes. He explained that
they are trying to have a buffer in that area to provide bluff protec-
tion.
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He advised that the Coastal Commission staff requested 20 or 30 acres
of usable, open public space and that they have responded with 34.2
acres of public open space. The Coastal Commission also requested
that golf holes eight and ten be relocated elsewhere in the park which
they have done. He stated that he believed that Fish and Game
indicated that they are satisfied with the conceptual habitat protec-
tion plan. Since it was important to replace the three trails going
to Halfway Point, they put trails on both sides of Forrestal Draw in
addition to the relocated Paseo del Mar trail. With respect to
dedication of public land between the bluff road and the ocean, all
land seaward of the residential is either open space lots, parks,
roadways, or golf course which would either be dedicated or deed
restricted for public use. Mr. Mohler said he felt that they had
addressed the issues the Coastal Commission had outlined.
In response to the Commissioners' inquiries, Planning Administrator
Petru stated that the City Council had responded to the issue of the
applicant paying for maintenance of the public land by adding a
condition requiring the establishment of a maintenance district. City
Council is considering creating a citywide golf greens tax, although
that money is not earmarked specifically for park maintenance.
She also advised that staff had recommended removal of the trail on
the east side of Forrestal Draw because staff felt that similar access
to Halfway Point was already available down Paseo del Mar and a second
trail in that canyon was not necessary.
Ms. Petru suggested that the Commission condition the project to
require an off-road dedication in common open space Lot C to reserve
for the future the opportunity to put in a public trail. She did not
recommend that the City take an easement at this time but rather an
offer to dedicate.
Ms. Petru explained that staff had not accepted applicant's offer of
an additional 15 parking spaces along La Rotunda Drive since the 50
dedicated spaces already there are adequate. Also, there will be a
large parking lot at that location for the clubhouse and staff did not
want too much paved area.
Juan Forteza and Loretta Forteza, 4021 Via Larga Vista, Palos Verdes
Estates, testified for the project. Mr. Forteza said he thought it
was a world class golf course and that he believed the project was a
place where man and nature will be at their best. He said he has
never seen developers dedicate themselves to the environment as they
have on this project. Ms. Forteza stated that there was no loss of
public access to the bluffs. She said that it would be nice to have
the grounds green and well maintained all the time. Ms. Forteza
suggested that those opposed to the project give a positive alterna-
tive and not just say don't do anything.
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Frank Angel, 2029 Century Park East, legal counsel for the Sierra
Club, California Native Plant Society, Coastal Conservation coalition,
Save our Coastline 2000, and Mr. Andrew Sargent. Mr. Angel stated
that he is counsel to these various parties in the litigation that has
been initiated challenging the City's first approval of this project.
In response to the statement that the opposition should suggest
something positive, he stated that it is public record that they made
an offer to settle this matter on the basis of the residential compo-
nents on the two Tract Maps and that they have not yet,received a
response. He stated that it is not the position of anyone he repre-
sents to not put anything on this site. (At this time, Chairman
Katherman cautioned Mr. Angel against discussing any pending litiga-
tion.) Mr. Angel asked what happened to the access road to the
clubhouse as the tentative tract maps show Paseo del Mar ending in a
cul-de-sac several hundred feet east of the clubhouse and there is no
road that extends beyond the agricultural parcel to the clubhouse.
The maps also show the golf course now occupying the alternative
clubhouse location (south of the agricultural parcel between gnat -
catcher area 5 and gnatcatcher area 6) approved by the City Council as
a condition of the CUP. The revised plan now shows a fairway occupy-
ing that space, thus precluding an alternative location. Also,
geologic investigations would have to be made for the final location
of the clubhouse and as of today the addendum EIR still doesn't say
where it is. He said location of the clubhouse and the alternative
location are important points because of the proximity to the two
gnatcatcher areas. Mr. Angel said that in the documents dated April
1992 submitted to the Coastal Commission, the applicant stated that
there will be a heliport landing area adjacent to the clubhouse which
was not indicated on any of the applications. He felt that no matter
where it would be located, a heliport would be disturbing to the wild
life species and to the people who live in subregion 7 and requested
that it not be allowed and that the applicant indicate their agreement
to eliminate the heliport. He also asked what happened to the 100
plus acre mitigation measure in the event the enhancement habitat plan
is unsuccessful and explained that this is a contingency that had been
contemplated very clearly by Mr. Atwood. Mr. Atwood's letter stated:
"in the event that the proposed mitigation measures fail, I recommend
compensation to permit the Service to acquire or restore at least 100
acres of high quality gnatcatcher habitat on the Peninsula. This
acreage estimate should arguably be substantially higher given that in
the absence of successful mitigation measures, the Hon -Zuckerman
project would seriously impact the long term viability of gnat -
catcher populations throughout all of Subregion 7.11 The Department of
Fish and Game, without mentioning those 100 plus acres, specifically
referred to the need of some document from the City that provides for
long-term funding for future habitat acquisition which would be beyond
the proposed habitat conservation easements in the switchback area and
Shoreline Park. These properties cannot be part of the conditions
since the City does not have jurisdiction. Mr. Angel said this was
important since if this plan is unsuccessful once it is implemented,
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there would be no off-site mitigation if those 100 plus acres are not
required. Also, he understood that the housing element of the City is
currently out of compliance with the State Planning and Zoning Laws
and he submitted for that reason the project, which has an important
residential component, can't be found consistent with the City's
General Plan. He stated that most of the inconsistencies with the
Coastal Specific Plan remain. For example, the Coastal Specific Plan
requires that "alterations of land included in this district and shall
provide that these actions not use herbicides to control or kill
vegetation." He stated that no other use requires more herbicides,
fertilizers and insecticides than a golf course.
Commissioner Alberio stated that the Planning Commission subcommittee
determined that the developer had addressed every point brought up by
the Coastal Commission. Mr. Angel responded that in the conditions of
approval for golf course development, CUP No. 163, page 3, golf club
house location No. 1 states: that the golf clubhouse shall be located
in the area generally described as seaward of the existing Paseo del
Mar right-of-way immediately West and/or South of the school district
property. The final location of the clubhouse shall be determined and
approved by the City Council before recordation of any final map. Mr.
Angel felt that the City Council very clearly opened an alternative
location for the club house south of the agricultural parcel and just
north of the bluff top. Chairman Katherman stated that was not his
interpretation of that condition and Planning Administrator Petru
advised that the City Council wanted to bring in flexibility to allow
them to move the clubhouse around and it would come back as part of
the final golf course plan approval which is required by CUP No. 163.
Others testifying against the project were: Andrew Sargent, Coastal
Conservation Coalition, One Peppertree Drive; Gar Goodson, Chairman,
Save our Coastline 2000, 1709 Via Zurata, Palos Verdes Estates;
Angelina Brinkman-Busi, President, California Native Plant Society,
1354 Stonewood Court, San Pedro; Al Satler, Program Chair for the
Palos Verdes/South Bay Region of the Sierra Club, 3325 West 25th
Street, San Pedro; Linda Miller, President, Palos Verdes Peninsula
Horseman's Association, 2283 Carriage Drive, Rolling Hills Estates;
John Sharkey, 30320 Ave de Palma; Carl G. Allen, 360 Palos Verdes
Drive West, Palos Verdes Estates; Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine;
Christopher Stavros, 28612 Stoklowski; J. J. D. McLaren, 3923 Palos
Verdes Drive South; and Ray Bara, No. 1 Peppertree. Their main
concerns were:
1. The project, as previously approved by the Planning Commission
and the City Council, was totally denied by the Coastal Commis-
sion and the project has not been changed significantly.
2. The project is not in compliance with the Coastal Specific Plan
or the Coastal Act since access to the sea is limited by forcing
the public to pass through and park in the residential neighbor -
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hood of Paseo del Mar and the golf course limits maximum access
to the bluffs and interferes with the public access to the sea.
3. The whole map/plan is conceptual and they cannot determine what
is going to be impacted. The Planning Commission is being asked
to approve a 32,000 sq. ft. clubhouse, plus a parking lot,
restaurant and maintenance facility for which there are no
building plans and no planned access or parking at this time.
Building plans are needed for Planning Commission review and for
public discussion on the issues of safety, noise, traffic, crime,
location of clubhouse, etc.
4. They do not know where the clubhouse will be located or what
happened to the alternative location for the clubhouse. This
will be one of the largest buildings in Rancho Palos Verdes, and
there is no information on the geological conditions. There is a
stability factor of less than 1.5.
5. There is no provision for a bluff top road which is required by
the CUP and by a written direction from the Coastal Commission.
6. The applicant is still trying to put private uses seaward of the
coastal bluff road which is not allowed.
7. The setback area will range from 25 to 75 feet which is an
inadequate buffer zone to protect the bluffs when you also have a
trail there. Fish and Game were very clear in their map of the
setback area that the applicant has to move away from Forrestal
Draw. No one has addressed this map. The Coastal Commission
said they would accept a 200 foot wide "soft footed" corridor as
the equivalent of a paved, bluff top road, seaward of the golf
course. In Ocean Trails, the average coastal corridor is only
about 50 feet.
8. The proposed golf course would eliminate 75% of the existing
pedestrian trails and 100% of the equestrian trails which are
presently being used for low intensity and low cost passive/
active recreational uses. This is significant because the site is
located close to San Pedro, a heavily urbanized, ethnically
diverse community. The access provisions of the Coastal Act
require that this recreational resource be protected for future
generations. Within this area of Rancho Palos Verdes, the
Coastal Specific Plan contemplated a bluff top road parallel to
the shore line, a substantial of public open space area of
approximately 50 acres was to be located between the bluff road
and the edge of the bluff, the golf course would preclude this
use and would instead include a small two acre public bluff park
at the terminus of the road adjacent to a portion of the residen-
tial development and would provide viewing vista areas and trails
located around the perimeter of the golf course and along the
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edge of the bluff. This is less than envisioned in the Local
Coastal Plan (LCP) and less than what is presently occurring at
the site. The project as designed attempts to accommodate too
much development leaving little room for the public access and
recreational opportunities expressly required by the City's
certified LCP.
This area was used for equestrian purposes for many years which
was also brought up by the Coastal Commission. People and horses
safely use other trails throughout the Peninsula. They urged the
Planning Commission to designate all trails on the site as multi-
purpose, pedestrian and equestrian trials.
The western end of the trails coming down from Half Way Point
goes down to a relatively steep area and significant regrading
will be necessary to reconstruct it and to put in additional
stairs and handrails. There is no mention in the addendum EIR
about further significant in cuts in the properties. The trail
that is leading down on the east side does not follow the easiest
way, but instead encircles a preserve, disturbs the gnatcatcher
from both sides and goes down a very steep, very narrow trail to
the beach. There is no trail between Half Way Point and the west
end of the property. Pedestrian Trail "All should access the
Beach at point "I", thereby giving access to the State-owned
beach in Subregion 7 and Subregion 6. The trail along the top of
the hill is not a usable area unless the cactus is removed, and
it was suggested that the Planning Commission take a look at the
area before voting on it.
9. There is too much development for the site and the project is not
consistent with provisions of the Coastal Specific Plan regarding
habitat protection. Therefore, the applicant has transferred the
burden of the habitat enhancement and the on-going cost of that,
to the City by requesting an easement on a City -owned area which
is open hazard and cannot be developed anyway. The applicant has
also requested an easement on a County owned park. These
mitigation measures are inadequate and inappropriate since they
are on land the City and County already own. The Department of
Fish and Game policy is three acres for every one acre of criti-
cal habitat that is destroyed by development. They did not
expect the applicant to give up three acres for one acre but to
provide, as mitigation, funds to acquire lands elsewhere to
compensate the community. Also, the extensive grading, land
alteration and location of the golf course will have adverse
impacts on environmentally sensitive habitat and wild life
resources. There are alternative uses that would significantly
reduce the impacts on coastal resources consistent with both the
City's certified LCP and Chapter 3 Access and Recreation
policies. Some of the fairways are going through where some
gnatcatchers are breeding. Also, there is a trail next to a
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breeding pair of gnatcatchers whose habitat spills out into a
housing area. The trails around Forrestal Drive on the east side
would be new and would be running through gnatcatcher habitat
creating serious problems. A lot of open space has been lost on
the Peninsula and they hoped that the Planning Commission's
decision on this project would not further exacerbate the prob-
lem.
10. If mitigation measures do not work and if the Gnatcatcher is
destroyed in Subregion 7 and 8, Dr. Atwood has recommended that
Hon -Zuckerman provide 100 plus acres of prime habitat, not
moratorium property, as a guarantee. This has not been done.
11. If biologic easements are granted by the County for Shoreline
Park and by the City for the switchback, what is the City and
County getting in return from the Developer and who will pay for
the re -vegetation and maintenance of these properties as biotic
preserves?
12. Handicapped people should not be asked to go the length of four
football fields to get to a dirt path along the bluffs.
13. The LCP requires more than 250 public, on -street parking spaces
and the parking on Paseo del Mar is just 75 spaces.
14. Crime at golf courses is prevalent and Mr. Sharkey predicted that
the residents of Paseo del Mar will be insisting on the closure
of the road to the general public as a result of crime and,
therefore, parking should be taken out of the residential neigh-
borhood and placed near the bluffs. Increased traffic, crime, and
accidents will result in increased costs to the City for in-
creased police protection and liability coverage. Also, golf
must be physically separate from passive activities to assure
safety.
15. There is no need for another golf course in the area since there
are several 18 hole golf courses located within a 20 minute drive
of the project, one of which is in the City of Rancho Palos
Verdes.
16. There are clearly alternative uses that would significantly
reduce the impacts on coastal resources consistent with both the
City's Local Coastal Plan and Chapter 3 access and recreation
policies. This is what the Coastal Commission is looking for.
17. Golf courses are toxic waste sites with fungicides, herbicides,
insecticides and fertilizers all flowing into the ocean from this
site.
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The opponents asked the Planning Commission to review the analysis
given by the Coastal Commission meeting in August, to deny the project
as submitted and to direct the applicant to design a project that is
in compliance with the Coastal Commission comments and guidelines.
Al Satler, representing the Palos Verdes/South Bay Region of the
Sierra Club, also stated that the Sierra Club support a few years ago
for the concept of replanting Shoreline Park should not be construed
as support of this as a mitigation measure for this project. The
Sierra Club does continue to support Shoreline Park as a passive, open
space park.
Mike Mohler, Palos Verdes Land Company (Applicant), stated that the
Planning Commission will have specific review of the final design and
if they don't meet all the requirements, they will not get through
that public review. He said that the Coastal access trails at Half
Way Point are there now and they are just trying to preserve what
exists. Mr. Mohler explained that the off-site requirements were part
of a program where Fish and Game asked them to look beyond their site
and start a Phase I program for habitat creation on the Peninsula
through a comprehensive program for habitat that will support not just
the gnatcatcher but the cactus wren and other sensitive species.
Vice Chairman Byrd asked if it was applicant's intent to reseed and
revegetate off-site areas. Mr. Mohler replied that they solicited the
County to create an easement to allow this connectivity issue from the
passive park to the County and then to the switchback area. In
soliciting that easement, which was backed by the Conservancy, the
intent was to go in on ten of the twenty acres and revegetate which
involves several hundred thousand dollars. The applicant further
asked for a conservation easement on 100 acres of City property.
Approximately only 15 acres of that is currently vegetated with
quality California Scrub Sage. Mr. Mohler said that they would expect
to be intimately involved with revegetation of the 100 acres should
his pro3ect fail with their mitigation measures. Vice Chairman Byrd
asked if they were prepared to move forward with the revegetation
based on approval of this project anyway. Mr. Mohler responded that
they were not proposing to go into the switchback and revegetate at
this point.
Barry Jones, President, Sweetwater Environmental Biologists, testified
on behalf of the applicant and stated that he has been conducting
research on the gnatcatcher since 1983. He agreed with Dr. Atwood's
first letter that the original project did not meet the standards that
were appropriate for the Coastal Sage Scrub gnatcatcher species on the
Peninsula. Mr. Jones said this is a very significant issue on the
Peninsula with a relatively small number of birds remaining and a
potential problem with genetics if they were to allow additional birds
to be lost to the population. They have developed a program which
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provides safeguards by attempting to not only maintain what exists
today but to exceed it by proposing to replace any impacted lower
quality sage scrub with high quality sage scrub. They are trying to
accomplish a net gain in quality and quantity of habitat. In the
current habitat on the site that will be impacted in Phase I of the
grading program, there is a pair of gnatcatchers currently using
sweetfoam which is a weed from Europe. They tried to mitigate the
impact on this pair by revegetating in advance so that the gnat -
catchers have an alternative place to nest before the grading occurs.
No additional grading can occur west of Forrestal Creek until certain
conditions required by the Wild Life Service and the Department of
Fish and Game are met. The criteria will be established by the Service
and Fish and Game to provide the necessary buffer and protection for
this very sensitive species. The first safeguard is the phasing of
the project. Hon -Zuckerman has a financial incentive to make sure
that the mitigation measurers work because they can't build the homes
unless they do. If the safeguards do not work, they still have the
100 acre off-site opportunity in the switchback area in addition to
the ten acres of revegetation in the County park area. He stated
these safeguards go well beyond what is typically expected of this
kind of project because of the sensitivity of the Peninsula.
Chairman Katherman qualified for the record that under prior approval,
the Planning Commission and the City Council had approved the
Biological Resources Protection Plan which had incorporated the
requirement to have the resource agencies' approval before any final
plan would be approved and before any grading would occur.
Commissioner Mowlds stated that it was his understanding that
the Planning Commission and the public will get to review and make
comments again on the biological resource preservation plan, the
habitat preservation plan, the clubhouse, and the golf course design.
For the record, both the Hon and the Zuckerman teams indicated their
agreement.
Vice Chairman Byrd asked if the project still included the applicant
having a biologist on their payroll throughout the program, even after
the project was completed, who would take care of the habitat around
the golf course. He also asked if the trails and the park areas
would be maintained by the personnel who maintain the golf course as
indicated in the original plan. Mr. Mohler replied that what was
dedicated by the City would be taken care of by a special maintenance
tax assessment district or a special greens fee tax. Mr. Mohler
indicated that there was nothing that would preclude them from main-
taining the trails and parks and Commissioner Clark asked if Mr.
Mohler was offering to do the maintenance. Mr. Mohler answered that
he was offering to work with the Planning Commission on the final
design to decide from a practical standpoint what to obligate or to
volunteer to maintain. vice Chairman Byrd said this was something
that ought to be done most efficiently for the City and preferable at
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applicant's expense rather than the City's. Mr. Mohler responded they
would probably have some of that in this plan.
Commissioner Alberio stated that the City had to distinguish between a
dedication and an easement as they are two distinct legal issues as
far as legal responsibility and liability.
Vice Chairman Byrd asked if it was still correct that should the golf
course not be a profitable commercial venture, the property for the
golf course would be deeded to the City as open space land. Mr.
Mohler answered that it had been discussed that it would revert to
open space but they had not discussed the ownership of the land; only
that it would be publicly accessible. Vice Chairman Byrd stated that
he could not find anything in the project report that described that
subject and he thought this should be in writing.
Commissioner Clark asked for a confirmation from Mr. Mohler that the
off-site mitigation is not actually mitigation but is part of an
attempt to provide the start of a Peninsula wide program of revegeta-
tion which goes beyond what they feel is necessary for habitation on
this site. Mr. Mohler responded that was correct.
Commissioner Lorenzen asked if the trail would be adequate for the
handicapped to get to the bluff. Mr. Mohler answered that the trail
is required to be handicapped accessible and that by the addition of
the easterly loop that is now where hole ten used to be can be made
handicapped accessible all way to the tide pools. He said he could not
reverse the geology and be able to say that once you go downhill that
you are not going to have to go uphill to return to your car, but it
will be handicapped regulated and handicapped accessible. He advised
that the distance from the street to the bluff at that point was 300
feet.
Commissioner Alberio stated that much was said about the pesticides,
herbicides, and chemicals necessary to maintain the golf course being
detrimental to the habitat and groundwater and Mr. Mohler advised that
they had a run off management plan for diluting and separating out
fertilizer from the run off.
Ira Arts, Robert Browne and Frost, Engineering Consultants to Palos
Verdes Land Holding Company, stated that their runoff management plan
collects the water that runs off the slopes and then conveys it safely
to a point of disposal down the slopes. He said that the plan is in
compliance with the new NPDS program to assure water quality. Catch
basins that separate some of the toxics and ponding areas are proposed
to allow some of the fertilizers and other toxics to settle out and be
biodegraded by plant material. However, one of the important things
about the NPDS program is that it doesn't set a any requirements for
exact levels of toxicity prior to discharge into the ocean. There-
fore, there really are no standards to meet as part of a Water Quality
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Plan. What the NPDS program recommends is the use of best management
practices which are incorporated into the plan. He confirmed that
they would have continued testing of the waters to be sure they
comply.
In response to the Chairman Katherman's questions, Mr. Mohler stated
that Mr. Jones and Mr. Dye have indicated that this project will be
using less fertilizers than any of the golf courses in the area. He
also said that there is no heliport proposed within the plan but that
they have petitioned the F.A.A. to do flight clearance studies on the
site and have received preliminary information but he understands that
if they want a heliport they will have to come back to the Planning
Commission with an application.
Chairman Katherman stated that because of the lack of land available,
the applicant is at the edge of feasibility with respect to the size
of the property available for golf. Mr. Mohler responded that Pebble
Beach has 89 acres of irrigated, in -play golf course. He said he
spent three days with Pete Dye with this plan and made him prove that
the golf course could fit in the reduced acreage. He suggested that a
condition be imposed that if there is any change in this plan that it
comes out of residential and not out of open space.
Chairman Katherman questioned compatibility with golf and the coastal
bluff trail and Mr. Mohler stated that the safety of that trail has
been greatly enhanced by the efforts of the agencies, the Coastal
Commission and the citizens. He confirmed that golf uses adjacent to
and within the trails there will be greens and tees, no active fair-
ways.
Commissioner Lorenzen asked for a recap of the survey on the amount of
trails on the site now and what will be there after the project and
Mr. Mohler responded that he did not have the survey data, but that
there is 25,000 lineal feet of trails in their plan versus the 22,000
lineal feet there now. He said that access has been reduced to focus
corridors consistent with what is necessary to support the plan.
MOTION: commissioner Hayes moved, seconded by Commissioner Mowlds, to
close the public hearing. motion passed without objection.
Chairman Katherman asked for an explanation of what was going on with
the trail in the east bluff passive park area. Ms. Petru answered
that it is intended as an existing trail.
Commissioner Hayes asked if the east side trail along Forrestal Draw
was a much more sensitive area and would it make sense to drop that
trail and just keep the one on the west. Planning Administrator Petru
responded that was staff's recommendation.
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Commissioner Clark asked for staff's assessment of the adequacy of
public parking and Ms. Petru responded that she heard a number of 250
parking spaces and she understood that number was split between
Subregion 1 and this project, Subregion 7. The project is currently
providing 145 public parking spaces, twenty of those would be provided
in the public turnouts on Palos Verdes Drive South and 100 spaces
would be located on the interior of the project site. The applicant
is proposing 75 at the end of Paseo del Mar at Half Way Point and 50
at La Rotunda Drive by the clubhouse. In addition, the residential
streets within the project will be public and there will be on -street
parking of up to 250 spaces. There is about 175 spaces provided for
the clubhouse and she did not expect that to be totally used at any
time. Therefore, Ms. Petru believes there is more than adequate
parking on the site.
Chairman Katherman asked staff to respond to the issue raised about
the Housing Element and Planning Administrator Petru advised that the
revised Housing Element was approved by the City Council in August and
has been resubmitted to the State Department of Housing and community
Development. In the event that they do not certify it, City Council
felt that the Housing Element was a legally defensible document.
In response to Chairman Katherman's inquiry, Ms. Petru advised that
City Council had requested that the location of the clubhouse come
back to them for review and a condition has been included requesting
that be done. Chairman Katherman wanted to have it come back to the
Planning Commission also. she also suggested that the commission
could require a condition that any plans for a heliport come back for
Planning commission review.
Chairman Katherman stated that he asked Pam Emerson and Chuck Damm of
the State Coastal Commission staff if the golf course use is allowed
by the Local Coastal Plan and the answer was yes. He also asked them
if they thought the replacement of the vehicular bluff road with a
multi-purpose path was in keeping with the plan and the answer was
yes.
NOTION: commissioner Mowlds moved, seconded by Commissioner Hayes, to
recommend approval of the Addendum to Final EIR No. 36 to the City
Council per Resolution No. 92-68. Motion passed 7-0.
The Planning Commission then reviewed the Conditions of Approval for
the revised Ocean Trails Plan and requested the following changes:
On Exhibit "All:
1. Add a condition that the parking and public access to the bluff
in this area shall be closed after dusk.
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MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved, seconded by Commissioner Hayes, to
approve Exhibit "A", Recommended Revisions to Conditions of Approval
for Resolution No. 92-54, Revised Vesting Tentative Tract Map No.
50666, as amended, and Exhibit "B", Recommended Revisions to Condi-
tions of Approval for Resolution No. 92-55, Revised Vesting Tentative
Tract Map No. 50667. Motion passed 7-0.
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved, seconded by Commissioner Hayes, to
approve Exhibit "C", Revisions to Conditions of Approval for Resolu-
tion No. 92-56 and Revised Conditional Use Permit No. 162. Motion
passed 7-0.
The Planning Commission approved the following changes in the Condi-
tions of Approval in Resolution No. 92-57 for Conditional Use Permit
No. 163:
1. Change Conditions D.1 and D.2 from 120 days to 180 days.
2. Condition D.3 eliminate the reference to "facilities to accommo-
date radio controlled silent glider planes."
3. Condition D.5 requires that the Planning Commission approve the
final clubhouse design rather than the Director of Environmental
services.
4. Condition D. 6 to include "except as provided in Condition C. 1."
5. Condition U.1 change from a major revision to the CUP to a minor
revision.
6. Condition U.4 be changed to read "any increase to the height of
the accessory structure shall require a minor revision to the CUP
and variance to be reviewed and approved by the Planning Commis-
sion".
ommis-
sion".
On Exhibit "D":
1. Condition 6 to require that protective fencing be reviewed by the
Planning Commission as part of the final golf course layout.
2. Add the condition that if the applicant needs more land for the
golf course it would be taken out of the land allocated for the
residential area and not out of land allocated for open space.
With reference to Condition G.1 (No. 4 on Exhibit D.), the Planning
Commission requested a review of what it would take to do the off-site
vegetation. Planning Administrator Petru advised that that condition
was dealing with on-site vegetation and if the Planning Commission
wanted to make a recommendation for off-site vegetation that it be a
separate motion.
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The Planning Commission requested that flexibility be provided for the
developer to bring back the design of the clubhouse for a realistic
look at the total square footage and the public's use of that facility
in the future. The Commission requested that the findings should
state that the Planning Commission feels that the clubhouse would have
the benefit of providing public facilities for the community and that
there is a dearth of those kinds of facilities at this time.
The Planning Commission stated for the record that the phasing and
timing of grading with respect to habitat preservation is in the
Biological Resource Protection Plan/Habitat Preservation Plan that
would be approved by the City. (Exhibit "D", Condition 4.) They also
advised that the reason for extending the cul-de-sac at Paseo del Mar
by the City Council was to provide additional public parking along the
street without paving additional areas for parking lots.
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved, seconded by Commissioner Lorenzen,
to recommend approval of the revised Vesting Tentative Tract Maps Nos.
50666 and 50667 to City Council, approve the revised Conditional Use
Permit Nos. 162 and 163, Coastal Permit No. 103, and Grading Permit
No. 1541 and to re -approve the Tentative Parcel Map Nos. 20970 and
23004 subject to the modified Conditions of Approval per P.C. Resolu-
tion No. 92-69. Motion passed 7-0.
MOTION: Commissioner Hayes moved, seconded by Commissioner Alberio,
that the Planning Commission recommend to City Council establishment
of a conservation easement over the City -owned switchback area, if
economically feasible. Motion passed 7-0.
ADJOURNMENT - The meeting was duly adjourned at 11:45 p.m. to
Tuesday, November 10, 1992, at 7:30 p.m. at Hesse Park.
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