PC MINS 19920331M I N U T E S
PLANNING COMMISSION
ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 31, 1992
I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:15 PM by Chairman
Katherman at the Hesse Park Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne
Boulevard.
II. ROLL CALL
PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, BYRD, CLARK, HAYES,
MOWLDS AND CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN (Excused - See Below).
ALSO PRESENT: ACTING DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES
CAROLYNN PETRU AND ASSOCIATE PLANNER TERRY
SILVERMAN.
For the record, Chairman Katherman noted Commissioner
Lorenzen's request for an excused absence due to illness.
III. FLAG SALUTE
At the request of the Chairman, Mr. Beringer led in the
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
IV. REPORTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. STAFF
o Acting Director Petru distributed communications
regarding Subregions 7 and 8 to the Commission.
o Upon an inquiry from staff, the date of May 23, 1992
was agreed upon for a field trip to view the Salvation Army site.
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0Acting Director Petru confirmed that staff will notify
the Commission of specifics pertaining to the upcoming Planning
Commissioners' Institute.
B. COMMISSION
0 The Commission agreed to delay discussion of the Hous-
ing Element from the special meeting date of April 23, 1992 until
the regular Planning Commission meeting of May 12, 1992.
0 Commissioner Clark suggested that the Commission con-
sider the idea of a quitting time for Planning Commission meet-
ings. Acting Director Petru asked that this be brought up
during discussion of Planning Commission Rules and Procedures,
tentatively scheduled for the April 28, 1992 Planning Commission
meeting. There was a consensus of the Commission that the meet-
ing agendas should reflect that, "No requests to speak will be
accepted after the completion of remarks by the first speaker on
an item."
V. CONSENT CALENDAR
MOTION: Commissioner Clark moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hayes, to approve the Consent Calendar as follows:
A. Minutes of March 4, 1992.
B. P.C. Resolution No. 92-21; denying Variance No. 317,
27841 Western Avenue.
C. P.C. Resolution No. 92-22; upholding the appeal of
staff approval of Minor Exception Permit No. 429, thereby denying
the project located at 27892 Palos Verdes Drive East.
There being no objection, the motion for approval of the Consent
Calendar was so ordered by Chairman Katherman, with Commissioner
Alberio abstaining from the Minutes of March 4, 1992 (due to his
absence from that meeting) and Commissioner Lorenzen absent.
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Vi. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NOS. 50666 AND 50667,
TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP NOS. 23004 AND 29070, CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT NOS. 162 AND 163, GRADING PERMIT NO. 1541
AND COASTAL PERMIT NO. 103; PVLHC AND ZUCKERMAN,
SUBREGIONS 7 AND 8 PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH.
Commissioner Byrd explained that he would continue to
abstain from consideration of the project.
Acting Director Petru provided the staff report with the
recommendation that the Commission recommend to City Council that
the Environmental Impact Report be certified and the Vesting Ten-
tative Tract Maps, Parcel Maps, Coastal Permit, Conditional Use
Permits and Grading Permit be approved. She outlined recommenda-
tions made by the Planning Commission at a previous meeting;
pointed out that the public hearing was closed; and explained
procedures for Planning Commission action on the project.
Associate Planner Silverman distributed and reviewed revised
Resolutions and Conditions of Approval for the project.
Referring to Commissioner Clark's Concept Proposal on
"Subregion 7 Golf Course Conditions of Approval Dealing with
Affordability/Accessibility for the Residents of Rancho Palos
Verdes," the Commission discussed the idea of green fee discounts
and tee time reservation priorities for City residents, as well
as a City golf club affiliation with the Subregion 7 golf course.
A communication from Mr. Eddie K. Randall stating his support of
green fee discounts for City residents was noted. The idea of
structuring green fees to include a user tax for allocation to
the City's General Revenue Fund was also discussed.
The applicant's representative, Mr. Michael A. Mohler, 25200
La Paz Road, Laguna Hills, stated his impression that special
group green fee discounts and tee time reservation priorities may
be in violation of the Coastal Specific Act and would also
economically unfeasible for the operator of the golf course.
Acting Director Petru related staff's understanding that
special group green fee discounts and club membership allocations
would, indeed, be in violation of the Coastal Specific Act.
However, she explained staff's understanding that the City could
consider a minimal amount of tee time reservation priorities and
a user tax for allocation to the City's General Fund.
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MOTION: Commissioner Clark moved to recommend that green
fee discounts for Rancho Palos Verdes residents, as included in
his Concept Proposal entitled, "Subregion 7 Golf Course Condi-
tions of Approval Dealing with Affordability/Accessibility for
the Residents of Rancho Palos Verdes," be adopted as part of the
Conditions of Approval for Conditional Use Permit No. 163 and
that the exact percentages be left as recommendations and
specifically presented to the City Council as such. The motion
was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and passed by the following
3-2 majority roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIOt CLARK AND MOWLDS.
NOES: COMMISSIONER HAYES AND CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
MOTION: Commissioner Clark moved to recommend that a
priority allocation of tee time reservations for City residents,
as included in his Concept Proposal entitled, "Subregion 7 Golf
course Conditions of Approval Dealing with
Affordability/Accessibility for the Residents of Rancho Palos
Verdes," be adopted as part of the Conditions of Approval for
Conditional Use Permit No. 163 and that the exact percentages be
left as recommendations and specifically presented to City Coun-
cil as such.
There was discussion as to the idea of allocating a percent-
age of the prioritized tee time reservations for the Long Point
hotel, should it be constructed.
Commissioner Clark amended the above motion to include that
a certain percentage of the prioritized tee time reservations to
be determined by the City Council shall be allocated for Long
Point hotel guests.
Commissioner Alberio seconded the amended motion and it was
passed by the following unanimous roll call vote:
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AYES COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK, HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
NOES: NONE.
ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT. COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
MOTION: Commissioner Clark moved to recommend that the af-
filiation of a City golf club with the Subregion 7 golf club as
included in his Concept Proposal entitled, "Subregion 7 Golf
Course Conditions of Approval Dealing with
Affordability/Accessibility for the Residents of Rancho Palos
Verdes," be adopted as part of the Conditions of Approval for
Conditional Use Permit No. 163 and that the exact percentages be
left as recommendations and specifically presented to City Coun-
cil as such. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and
defeated by the following 3-2 roll call vote:
AYES. COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO AND CLARK.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT' COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
At this time, Chairman Katherman called attention to per-
tinent communications (of record) from: Mr. John Holzman of the
Peninsula Silent Flyers Organization, Sunshine, the California
Native Plant Society; Palos Verdes Land Holdings Company and
Zuckerman (applicant); Mr. J. J. D. McLaren; the Coastal Conser-
vation Coalition; and Mr. Bill Ailor of the Palos Verdes Penin-
sula Land Conservancy (PVPLC).
At 8:45 PM there was a recess until 9:00 PM when the meeting
reconvened in regular agenda order.
At this time, Commissioner Mowlds offered the following
motion.
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MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved to reconsider the
Commission's vote earlier in the meeting with regard to the af-
filiation of a City golf club with the Subregion 7 golf club.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Clark and passed by the
following 3-2 majority roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK AND MOWLDS.
NOES: COMMISSIONER HAYES AND CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved that the Conditions of
Approval for Conditional Use Permit No. 163 include that the Sub-
region 7 golf club shall have some type of club arrangement for
City residents with an up -front fee to be paid in exchange for a
certain number of golf rounds per year, the specifics to be
determined. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Alberio and
passed by the following 3-2 roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK AND MOWLDS.
NOES: COMMISSIONER HAYES AND CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
Acting Director Petru addressed information raised in per-
tinent written communications (as noted earlier in the meeting by
Chairman Katherman) from: Mr. J. J. D. McLaren, Mr. Bill Ailor
(Palos Verdes Peninsula Conservancy Coalition); Mr. John
Holzman; Sunshine; the California Native Plant Society; and the
Coastal Conservation Coalition. She clarified that: the project
is conditioned to require deed restrictions on the golf course
for passive and active recreational uses; the mitigation monitor-
ing program includes a project biologist to be on site for an ex-
tended period of time; all identified habitat areas would be
fenced prior to grading activity; and the trails along Palos
Verdes Drive South would include a Class II bikeway within the
right-of-way, as well as a soft -footed pedestrian trail and a
Class I bikeway separate from the road.
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Mr. Bill Ailor of the PVPLC, 1052 Via Palestra, Palos Verdes
:Estates, came forward to address the need to preserve natural
habitat areas. He suggested a conservation easement for preser-
vation of gnatcatcher habitat and bluff areas, as well as an on-
going biological survey to ensure the continued preservation of
the biological resources on the site.
Sunshine, 6 Limetree Lane, asked that the golf course be
designed after a public amenities plan is prepared.
Acting Director Petru related staff's understanding that the
project is conditioned to require a public amenities plan and
the return of the golf course design for Planning Commission
review within one year of approval. She indicated that the
Director of Parks & Recreation has reviewed and is in agreement
with the trails' plan for the project.
Mr. Michael Mohler returned to the podium to provide infor-
mation about buffering, grading and vegetation. He related his
support of a biologist on-site during rough grading and briefly
commented on the Biological Resources Protection Plan.
The Commission agreed that: the biological resource areas
along the bluff should be fenced off; the project would provide
for all of the requirements enumerated in the Coastal Specific
Plan; vegetation should be natural, with the goal of being site
specific to the extent feasible; the mitigation monitoring
measures in the Environmental Impact Report are sufficient to
reduce impact and replace habitat that cannot be maintained as
open space; and the updated biological report did not provide any
substantial new information. Possible difficulties pertaining
to the close proximity of Silent Flyers' aircraft and the golf
course were noted.
Environmental Impact Retort No. 36
MOTION: Commissioner Hayes moved to adopt P. C. Resolution
No. 92-23, recommending certification of Environmental Impact
Report No. 36, including the Statement of Overriding Considera-
tions for those impacts which cannot be reduced to a level of in-
significance. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Mowlds and
passed by the following unanimous roll call vote:
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AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK, HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
NOES: NONE.
ABSTAIN• COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
Acting Director Petru confirmed that a Final Environmental
Impact Report will be prepared to address comments received
during the circulation period of the Draft and Supplemental En-
vironmental Impact Reports.
Associate Planner Silverman pointed out that, contrary to
information in the Statement of Overriding Considerations, there
are seven impacts which cannot be reduced to a level of insig-
nificance, even after mitigation.
P.C. Resolution No. 92-24 Tentative Tract Map No. 50666
and Parcel Map No. 23004, and Related Conditions of Approval
Commissioner Mowlds voiced his continued concern that coas-
tal bluff road requirements called out in the Coastal Specific
Plan (Policy No. 19, Page 57-13) of the Coastal Specific Plan
would not be provided by the project as it is currently proposed.
The Commission agreed that the resolution should include a find-
ing that there is an overriding conflict with providing a coastal
bluff road due to the need to cross Forrestal Canyon.
The Commission agreed that the Conditions of Approval should
be amended to include: information pertaining to the Biological
Resources Protection Plan, that information about the maintenance
district shall be included in the Development of Real Estate
Report and the CC&Rs; that all streets shall have a vertical type
curb and the applicant may request a rolled type curb subject to
the approval of the Director of Public Works; and that the inter-
section of Palos Verdes Drive South and Forrestal Drive shall be
designed in such a manner to accommodate future signalization;
Other minor modifications were made to the Conditions of Ap-
proval.
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There was extensive discussion with regard to the realign-
ment of Palos Verdes Drive South, including whether land north of
Palos Verdes Drive South between Palos Verdes Drive East and
Seacliff Drive should be utilized as a traffic turn out and
whether the number of traffic lanes on Palos Verdes Drive South
should be increased.
Mr. Michael Mohler came forward again to relate the
applicant's viewpoint that additional lanes along Palos Verdes
Drive South could result in traffic conflicts and that such an
expansion would be unwarranted. The following motions were then
offered.
MOTION: Chairman Katherman moved that the northern portion
of the Palos Verdes Drive South right-of-way that would be aban-
doned due to the road re -alignment between Palos Verdes Drive
East and Seacliff Drive be used as an overlook with an ap-
propriate number of parking spaces for westbound traffic. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Mowlds and, there being no
objection, it was so ordered by the Chair.
MOTION. Commissioner Alberio moved that the Conditions of
Approval be amended to require the applicant to improve Palos
Verdes Drive South between Palos Verdes Drive East and Seacliff
Drive to a four -lane highway with two lanes in each direction.
The motion died for lack of a second.
There was a consensus of the Commission that the project
does not provide a nexus to require the developer to improve
Palos Verdes Drive South to four lanes and that retaining Palos
Verdes Drive South as a two-lane highway preserves its character.
Acting Director Petru stated staff's understanding that the traf-
fic generated by the project would not significantly impact Palos
Verdes Drive South. The weekend congestion on Palos Verdes Drive
South was noted by the Commission.
MOTION: Commissioner Alberio moved that the Conditions of
Approval be amended to require the applicant to improve eastbound
Palos Verdes Drive South to two lanes. The motion was seconded
by Commissioner Clark and defeated by the following 2-3 roll call
vote:
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AYES' COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO AND CLARK.
NOES. COMMISSIONERS HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
Acting Director Petru provided clarification concerning
trails. The following motion was then offered.
MOTION. Commissioner Alberio moved to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 92-24, recommending approval of Vesting Tentative
Tract Map No. 50666 and Parcel Map No. 23004, including Condi-
tions of Approval, as amended. The motion was seconded by Com-
missioner Hayes and passed by the following unanimous roll call
vote.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK, HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
NOES NONE.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
P.C. Resolution No. 25 , Tentative Tract Map No. 50667
and Parcel Map No. 20970 and Related Conditions of Approval
The Commission agreed that the Conditions of Approval should
be amended to include: information about the Biological Resources
Protection Plan; that public parking at the parks and vista
points shall be prohibited after dusk; and that all streets shall
be vertical type curbs and the applicant may request a rolled
type curb, subject to the approval of the Director of Public
Works. Other minor modifications were made to the Conditions of
Approval.
MOTION: Commissioner Alberio moved to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 92-25, recommending approval of Vesting Tentative
Tract Map No. 50667 and Parcel Map No. 20970, including Condi-
tions of Approval, as amended. The motion was seconded by Com-
missioner Clark and passed by the following unanimous roll call
vote'
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AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK, HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
NOES: NONE.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
Conditional Use Permit No. 162, Coastal Permit No. 103
and Grading Permit No. 1541
Associate Planner Silverman confirmed that Conditional Use
Permit No. 162 includes a two-year time limit which will run con-
currently with the Vesting Tentative Tract Map time limit. She
supplied clarification with regard to grading.
Commissioner Mowlds related his objection to any off-site
grading. Acting Director Petru explained that off-site grading
may be necessary for trail connections. With regard to fencing,
she indicated that the intent is to have open fencing abutting
the golf course or street.
The Commission agreed to amend the Conditions of Approval to
include: information about the Biological Resources Protection
Plan; that the re -seeding and re-establishment of natural plant
species for all of the disturbed open space enhancement areas
shall include site specific and non-invasive species to be
reviewed by the Director of Environmental Services, the Project
Biologist and interested parties; that areas of the site that are
not to be disturbed during grading or construction or that are to
be protected in accordance with the mitigation measures contained
in Environmental Impact Report No. 36, its supplement or adden-
dum, shall be fenced prior to construction, subject to the review
and approval of the Director of Environmental Services; that five
foot minimum and six foot maximum fences with ninety percent
light and air shall be required in the rear yard setback areas
with specific lot designations to be determined by staff; that
the public amenities plan can be appealed to City Council; and
that no minor or accessory structures shall be permitted within
any required setback area except by Minor Exception Permit.
Other minor modifications were made to the Conditions of Ap-
proval.
There was a somewhat lengthy discussion about setbacks. The
idea of requiring setbacks coinciding with anticipated Develop-
ment Code revisions was deliberated.
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Mr. Michael Mohler returned to the podium once again to
express the applicant's concern that forty foot combined side
yard setbacks as proposed by the Commission would result in an
enormous down -scaling of Vesting Tentative Tract Map 50666. The
following motions with regard to setbacks were then offered:
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved that the front yard set-
backs shall vary from thirty (30) to forty (40) feet throughout
the development, depending on the lot type. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Hayes and passed by the following 3-2
majority roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS CLARK, HAYES AND MOWLDS.
NOES: COMMISSIONER ALBERIO AND CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
Commissioner Alberio and Chairman Katherman related their
support of twenty-five to thirty-five foot minimum front yard
setbacks, with the limitation that the twenty-five foot setback
be limited to no more than one-third of the facade frontage.
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved that all single -story
structures on an individual lot shall maintain a minimum interior
side yard setback of fifteen (15) feet on one side with a minimum
total of thirty (35) feet for both sides and that all two-story
structures on an individual lot shall maintain a minimum interior
side ,yard setback of fifteen (15) feet on one side with a minimum
total of forty (40) feet for both sides, or thirty-three percent
of the front yard width at the front yard setback, whichever is
greater. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Clark and,
there being no objection, it was so ordered by Chairman Kather-
man.
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved that the minimum street
side setback shall be twenty (20) feet. The motion was seconded
by Commissioner Hayes and, there being no objection, it was so
ordered by Chairman Katherman.
The Commission discussed the importance of the articulation
of the first and second stories.
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MOTION' Commissioner Mowlds moved that the upper level of a
structure shall be a minimum of twenty percent smaller than the
footprint of the structure, including the garage. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Hayes and, there being no objection, it
was so ordered by Chairman Katherman.
There being no further discussion, the following motion was
offered:
MOTION: Commissioner Mowlds moved to adopt P.C.
Resolution No. 92-26, approving Conditional Use Permit No. 162,
Coastal Permit No. 103 and Grading Permit No. 1541 as amended.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Hayes and passed by the
following unanimous roll call vote'
AYES' COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK, HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
NOES' NONE.
ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
At 11 50 PM there was a recess until 12 05 AM when the meet-
ing reconvened in regular agenda order.
Conditional Use Permit No. 163, Coastal Permit No. 103 and
Grading Permit No. 1541
The Commission agreed to amend the Conditions of Approval to
include. information about the Biological Resources Protection
Plan, that deliveries shall be limited to the hours of 6.00 a.m.
to 9:00 p.m Monday through Friday and 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. on
Saturday and Sunday and that there shall be no 24 hour
deliveries; that City residents shall be offered green fee
discounts; that a priority allocation of tee times shall be
reserved for City residents with a percentage of the prioritized
tee times to be allocated for Long Point hotel guests, that the
Subregion 7 golf club shall have some type of club arrangement
for City residents with an up -front fee to be paid in exchange
for a certain number of golf rounds per year; that the public
amenities plan shall be appealable to City Council; that areas of
the site that are not to be disturbed during grading or construc-
tion or that are to be protected in accordance with the mitiga-
tion measures contained in Environmental Impact Report No. 36,
its supplement or addendum, shall be fenced during construction,
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subject to the approval of 'the Director of Environmental
Services; that the re -seeding and re-establishment of natural
plant species for all of the disturbed open space enhancement
areas shall include site specific and non-invasive species to be
reviewed by the Director of Environmental Services, and the
Project Biologist; that fencing along the bluff top shall be of a
suitable design; that all roof mounted mechanical equipment,
vents or ducts shall be prohibited and that all other mechanical
equipment shall be screened and/or covered as necessary to reduce
their visibility from public rights-of-way or adjacent
properties; that gates to the clubhouse parking lot shall be
looked after dark; that at least one on-site security patrol
guard shall be provided during evening operating hours; and that
any accessory structures shall not exceed sixteen (16) feet in
height. Other minor modifications were made to the Conditions of
Approval.
Acting Director Petru confirmed that the mitigation monitor-
ing will continue until new plant material is established. She
supplied input with regard to Quimby Funds.
The Commission recommended that the Quimby Funds be used for
passive habitat land purchases. There being no further discus-
sion, the following motion was offered.
MOTION: Commissioner Clark moved to adopt P.C. Resolution
No. 92-27, approving Conditional Use Permit No. 163, Coastal Per-
mit No. 103 and Grading Permit No. 1541. The motion was seconded
by Commissioner Alberio and passed by the following unanimous
roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS ALBERIO, CLARK, HAYES, MOWLDS AND
CHAIRMAN KATHERMAN.
NOES: NONE.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER LORENZEN.
VII. CONTINUED BUSINESS
None.
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
None.
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IX. QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
o At this time, Chairman Katherman noted a letter from
the Council of Homeowners asking for a sixty day extension for
the review period of the Salvation Army Environmental Impact
Report until June 16, 1992. There was a consensus of the Commis-
sion to extend the review period of the Salvation Army Environ-
mental Impact Report until May 16, 1992.
o Ms. Lois Knight Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, stated her
objection that the public hearing for Subregion 7 and 8 was
closed. Reading aloud from a section of the California Coastal
Act, she voiced her impression that the public has a right to
fully participate in decisions affecting coastal planning, con-
servation and development. Ms. Larue expressed her understanding
that it is illegal to limit topics of discussion at Planning Com-
mission meetings and suggested that the Palos Verdes Scenic turn
out on Hawthorne Boulevard near Vallon Drive read, "Rancho Palos
Verdes Scenic Turn Out."
Reading aloud from an ethics memo written some time ago by
Councilman Ryan, Ms. Larue related her opinion that the City's
financial difficulties are a result of excessive engineering
costs. She questioned whether the City could adopt an ethics
code covering both monetary and personal relationships with City
contractors.
The Commission strongly objected to insinuations Ms. Larue
made concerning Commissioner dealings with Charles Abbott. The
Commission explained that it is appropriate for Commissioners to
meet with Charles Abbott, who is currently functioning as a City
employee, to obtain professional advice.
For the record, Commissioner Mowlds stated that he has never
had conversations about Planning Commission matters with Charles
Abbott other than in the Hesse Park Community Room or City Hall
and that, had it not been for his efforts with Charles Abbott,
there would not be a clubhouse in Subregions 7 and 8. Commis-
sioner Mowlds pointed out that the Planning Commission has not
agreed to limit topics of discussion, as mentioned earlier in
this discussion by Ms. Larue.
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X. ADJOURNMENT
At 12.50 AM the meeting was duly adjourned to April 15,
1992, 7:00 PM.
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