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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
JULY 9, 1991
The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Chairman Von Hagen
at Hesse Community Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT Commissioners Katherman, Hotchkiss, McNulty, and
Chairman Von Hagen
ABSENT Commissioner Brooks
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Robert
Benard, Associate Planners Mike Patterson and Terry Silverman.
COMMUNICATIONS
Mr. Benard noted various correspondence which was handed out to
the Commission prior to the meeting for Item V. B. for Tentative
Tract No. 46651 outlining changes to the staff report and
additional information requested by the Commission on the issue of
the 6 lots in question concerning the 16' vs. 26' height limit,
and he acknowledged a memorandum from the Assistant Director of
Public Works Department in regards to Sattes Drive going through
the development.
Mr. Benard also acknowledged a memorandum from the Trails
Committee summarizing their meeting and position of the Trails
Committee on the DEIR for Subregion 7 and 8.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Commissioner McNulty requested corrections be made to the approved
minutes of 5/28/91 by deleting his arrival time of 7:35 p.m.
A. P.C. Resolution No. 91-28 approving Variance No. 298 with
conditions located at 6329 Villa Rosa.
B. MISCELLANEOUS HEARING FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW NO. 5868 AND
COASTAL PERMIT NO. 102; Connie Lufkin -Barr, 135 Sea Wall.
Commissioner McNulty moved to approve the consent calendar
and Commissioner Katherman seconded the motion, which passed
unanimously, with an abstention from Commissioner Hotchkiss
on Item "B".
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. HEIGHT VARIATION NO. 685 - Associate Planner Mike
6918 MAYCROFT Patterson presented the staff
report in regards to Ming Ho
and Yueh-Yin Liu's request for the Director's decision to be
overturned to approve a second story addition. Staff's
recommendation was to approve the appeal thereby denying the
request for a second story addition. Mr. Patterson also
stated there was a correction on page 5 of the staff report
changing the square footage of the proposed structure from
4,015 square feet to 3,764 square feet.
Chairman Von Hagen asked for clarification from staff of the
cumulative view.
Associate Planner Patterson stated that 5 homes across from
the Iles' on Ambergate had a potential for cumulative view
impairment.
Tom Iles, 6921 Brookford Dr., the appellant agreed with
staff's recommendation to deny the project. Mr. Iles stated
concerns regarding the view of the Santa Monica Bay and
mountains would be reduced by the proposed addition. He also
stated that the addition is not compatible with the other
homes in the surrounding area in terms of size and roof line.
William Cleary, 6935 Brookford Dr., asked the Planning
Commission and Staff to take into consideration the terraced
lots and slope of the hill on which home is located and
encouraged the Commissioners to view from his back yard in
making their determination. Mr. Cleary suggested an
alternative for enlargement of the home would be to build a
single story addition in the front of the house. He also
raised the issue of incompatibility and that this height
variation ignores the intent of Proposition M.
Commissioner Katherman stated that he had visited Mr.
Cleary's home and felt that the issues of size and
compatibility were valid.
Mrs. R. Van der Weyde, 28111 Golden Meadow, testified that
she was in favor of the appeal to deny the second story
addition.
Ming Ho Liu, 6918 Maycroft Dr., applicant, stated that he did
not have ample time to respond to the staff report due to the
holiday. Mr. Liu requested that the second story addition be
approved, thus denying the appeal, since it does not block
any view as to code, and that it was his understanding that
the reason for staff changing their recommendation was due to
concerns over cumulative view impairment which he stated was
highly subjective. Mr. Liu presented a list of four
neighbors and their signatures agreeing not to build a second
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story addition on their homes at 6956 Brookford Dr., 6942
Brookford, 6948 Brookford and 6929 Brookford.
Commissioner Katherman stated that he had visited Mr. Liu's
property and asked if the owners of the four homes would sign
a covenant to record stating that they and their successors
would not add a second story to their homes in the future.
Yueh-Yin Liu, 6918 Maycroft Dr., requested approval of the
second story addition due to the size of her family and their
need for more room.
Jack Liu, 27929 Ridgebrook Ct., stated that the Liu's home
was not up to -today's code, and the addition would increase
property value. He requested that the Commission reconsider
the applicant's request for a second story addition.
James Tam, 638 S. Atlantic Blvd, #208, Monterey Park.,
requested approval of the addition since there would be no
view impairment and that the concern over cumulative view
impairment is speculative for the future.
John Brahms, 904 Silver Spur, architect, stated that the
requirements under Analysis were met, and that cumulative
view impairment is a non -issue.
Gary Rinzler, M.D., 28105 Golden Meadow Dr., stated that the
proposed addition is not incompatible with the neighborhood
and the concern over view impairment is speculative. He also
stated that he would rather have a 2 -story addition than
building up to the property line.
Lee -Ling Ou, 6918 Maycroft Dr., was in support of the
proposed addition.
Hsi -Ping Chu, 6938 Clovercliff Dr., stated support of the
proposed addition.
Motion to close the Public Hearing was made by Commissioner
McNulty, seconded by Commissioner Hotchkiss.
Commissioner Katherman asked if view of Malibu was a
protected view and if there was a possibility for redesign of
the project to allow more space,
Mr. Benard stated that the Code specifies islands separately
from mountains and that there was a possibility for redesign
of the second story by having the addition on just one side.
Commissioner Hotchkiss made a motion to approve Height
Variation No. 685 with conditions as stated in the Staff
Report with the exception of condition {d} not allowing
construction of a sundeck on rear of second story.
Commissioner McNulty seconded the motion with the motion
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passing 3-1, Commissioner Katherman objecting due to concern
of privacy for neighbors adjoining the rear property.
TENTATIVE TRACT NO. 46651, Associate Planner Terry
CUP NO. 151, GRADING NO. 1389, Silverman presented the staff
KAJIMA, CRESTJHIGHRIDGE report requesting approval of a
71 lot single family
Residential Planned Development with trails and common open space.
Staff's recommendation is that the Planning Commission recommend
certification of the EIR and approval of the Tentative Tract Map
to the City Council and approve the Conditional Use Permit and
Grading Permit.
Chairman Von Hagen stated concerns regarding traffic on Crest and
Highridge and the potential for providing a total of 7 exits from
the site by creating a through street along Sattes Drive. He also
referred to the memorandum from Kevin Smith, Assistant Director of
Public Works Department, recommending that Sattes Drive continue
through Kajima to Highridge.
Mr. Benard stated that it would be appropriate for the Commission
to give direction on their decision to cul-de-sac or have the road
go through as recommended by Public Works.
Commissioner Katherman pointed out a correction to the resolution
for the EIR in Section 12, and requested that it be amended to
read "A demand responsive traffic signal, if required shall be
installed..." T
Timi Hallem, 355 S. Grand Ave. Los Angeles (attorney for Kajima)
stated that she was in agreement with the staff report, but did
not want to restrict the height of homes on Lots 15, 16, 21, 35,
and 36 to 16 feet. Ms. Hallem was in favor of Sattes remaining a
cul-de-sac to maintain neighborhood character of the project.
Chairman McNulty expressed concern in regards to limiting access
to the site particularly with fog conditions. He stated that for
safety reasons there should be as much fire and emergency assess
as possible.
Commissioner Katherman asked why the developer wanted 2 -story
homes on the five lots.
Mary Nastronero, PSOMAS and Associates, 3420 Ocean Park Blvd.,
Santa Monica, representing the applicant, stated the purpose of
the 2 -story homes was to frame view corridors and give variety to
the project.
Dee Beaumont, 30143 Matisse Dr., representing Monaco HOA,
expressed concern over the number of daily trips generated with
regards to the existing flow of traffic in the Monaco tract, with
steep graded streets and no sidewalks, and stated that the City
Council has previously denied stop signs and speed bumps. She
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stated her opposition to Sattes going through Ka3ima as it would
open up traffic from (Sea Crest) and felt that access during fog
would be impractical because of distance.
Tom Alley, 6304 Sattes Dr., stated apposition to having Sattes go
through Kajima and thought cul-de-sacs would be a better choice.
Lois Knight Larue, 3136 Barkentine Rd., representing SDC 2004,
voiced opposition of the project due to shortage of water. Ms.
Larue expressed concern that the EIR did not adequately address on
and off-site hydrology, and that it did not discuss the individual
lot sale program as currently proposed by the developer.
Carol Sefchek, 38 Mela Lane, stated her opposition to the project
due to water shortage and felt that additional building should not
be allowed.
Paul Sefchek, 38 Mela Lane, stated opposition to development due
to traffic, view impairment, density of the project and felt that
the grading is excessive because of geologic conditions.
Sunshine, 6 Limetree, stated concerns regarding the following
items in Exhibit "A" of the Conditions of Approval for TTM
No. 46651: Item H.2.E. - Sunshine indicated that horse crossing
needs more tread gripping and that the ramp needs to be wider than
Title 24 standards. Item H.2.G. - she requested that language
regarding sidewalk striping, signage, and citation of the vehicle
code for spooking horses be added. Item H.2.I.- she indicated
that the south side of Crest already has a sidewalk and bike lane,
and urban trail sidewalk.
Carol Black, 5964 Ocean Terrace, discussed the potential through
street on Sattes and stated that Ocean Terrace residents were not
likely to go through Kajima with a signal on Highridge, and felt
that a through street would encourage Kajima residents to exit via
Sattes especially during fog.
The Public Hearing was closed.
Chairman Von Hagen stated that the curb cuts brought up by
Sunshine and trail access should be addressed. In response, the
following language was added to Tract Condition No. H.2.E.:
"Handicapped access ramps which conform to ... the Uniform Building
Code, and equestrian ram s to be reviewed �y the Trails Committee,
shall be provided..."
Mr. Benard stated that the cul-de-sac was a difficult situation in
terms of emergency access and the recommendation from Public Works
for Sattes going through the development would be a safer
alternative.
Commissioner McNulty expressed his opposition to the cul-de-sac
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and stated that he was in favor of having Sattes go through
Kagima.
Commissioner Katherman stated that good cul-de-sacs create good
neighborhoods and felt that it was not appropriate to keep Sattes
open in this case.
Commissioner Hotchkiss stated his opposition to the cul-de-sac.
Chairman Von Hagen stated that he would like to eliminate the cul-
de-sac for safety reasons. Condition No. H.2.H. for the tract was
modified to specify the map approved and the words "except that
Sattes Drive shall be designed as a through street." were added to
the end of the condition. Chairman Von Hagen questioned if the 5
lots should remain as one story or two story homes.
Commissioner Hotchkiss felt the homes should remain as single
story because it would open views and would be beneficial to the
community.
Commissioner Katherman stated that one story homes would create
better view corridors and would keep the canyon view open.
Commissioner McNulty stated the 5 lots should be one story.
Commissioner Katherman stated that landscaping in the common areas
and for screening of homes on Crest Rd., and the debris and/or
detention basins should be addressed.
Mr. Benard explained that a Tract landscape plan will be submitted
by the developer and will be reviewed by Staff to insure
maintenance of view corridors and monitor the percentage of
drought tolerant plants. Debris detention basins and landscaping
in common lots will be considered.
Mr. Benard gave suggested changes in CUP on I.1 (pg. 6)
Commissioner Katherman asked questions in regard to a moratorium
on building due to water shortages and funding for mitigation
monitoring.
Mr. Benard stated there was no condition on mitigation monitoring,
and felt it might be appropriate to add such a condition.
Commissioner Hotchkiss stated he felt putting on a condition for
mitigation monitoring should be thought out carefully and must
have a cap.
Commissioner Katherman requested that an annual report of
mitigation monitoring be sent to the Commission for review.
Motion was made by Commissioner McNulty to adopt P.C. Resolution
No. 91-29 with modifications recommending making certain
environmental findings to the City Council in connection with
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Tentative Tract No. 46651, Conditional Use Permit No. 151, and
Grading Permit No. 1389 for a 71 unit subdivision with 3 common
open space lots located at the,southwest corner of Crest Road and
Highridge. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Katherman,
and passed unanimously.
Motion was made by Commissioner McNulty to adopt P.C. Resolution
No. 91-30 recommending approval of Tentative Tract Map No. 46651
to the City Council for a single family residential development
with 71 residential lots and three common open space lots located
on the southwest corner of Crest Road and Highridge Road. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Hotchkiss, and passed
unanimously.
Motion was made by Commissioner McNulty to adopt P.C. Resolution
No. 91-31 approving Conditional Use Permit No. 151 and Grading
Permit No. 1389 for a residential planned development consisting
of 71 residential lots and 3 common open space lots in a single
family district located on the southwest corner of Crest Road and
Highridge Road. The motion was seconded by Commissioner
Hotchkiss, and passed unanimously.
A 10 minute recess was called at 10:12 p.m.
Meeting reconvened at 10:29 p.m.
VARIANCE NO. 294, MINOR The staff report was presented
EXCEPTION PERMIT NO. 413- by Mr. Benard requesting
APPEAL, 28319 PLAINFIELD DR. approval of an after -the -fact
8' gate and 9 1/2' high fence
along the front setback and to overturn the Director's denial of
an after -the -fact 9 1/2' combination wall and fence in the side
yard. Staff is recommending denial of the Variance and the Minor
Exception Permit Appeal.
Commissioner Hotchkiss requested clarification of the location and
height of the retaining wall.
Mr. Benard explained that in 1988, Staff had made a recommendation
to the Commission that height of the side yard retaining wall be
limited to 316". At that hearing the Commission approved a 4'6"
side yard retaining wall. However, in the course of construction, ,
the amount of cut went beyond what was approved and a 516"
retaining wall constructed. A 1' high garden wall has been
constructed in front of the retaining wall to effectively reduce
the exposed height of the retaining wall to that approved.
However, the retaining wall 3s now closer to the side property
line than intended by the Commission's -approval and has caused
the situation where the wall and fence have to measured as
one because they are less than 3' apart.
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Basant Garg, 28319 Plainfield (applicant) asked for clarification
of the Planning Commission date of November 22, 1988 mentioned in
the staff report, that he had not attended any meeting on that
date. (This was a typographical error, should have been September
27, 1988). He stated that at no time was the property between the
two walls ever mentioned. Mr. Garg also stated that on 6/15/89 he
took out a permit on the retaining wall and only a height of 4'6"
was mentioned, no mention of 3' distance from the property line.
When the inspector visited the site he made no reference to the
property line and approved to pour the cement. Mr. Garg is
opposed to placing a pool fence on top of the garden wall. Mr.
Garg said that he had no complaints on the gate from the
neighbors, and that the gate should have been measured from the
outside not inside. He repeatedly told the Commission that he did
not feel the wall was in the wrong location and that the code
never stated where the fence had to be placed.
Commissioner Katherman asked Mr. Garg the distance of the fence
from the property line.
Mr. Garg responded 2 1/2'.
Lois Knight Larue, 3136 Barkentine Rd., representing Lois Larue
and Associates, stated she had followed Mr. Garg's project through
the Planning Commission and City Council and that the project
should be approved.
Gordon H. Carper, 28303 Hazelridge Dr., Mr. Garg's neighbor,
stated he had no objection with the 5' fence, but does not want a
solid block wall.
Charles Merrill, M.D., 28313 Plainfield Dr., neighbor adjacent to
the proposed fence, stated his opposition to the construction of
the proposed fence on or near the property line. Because the
proposed fence would be 12-16" from an existing 42" freestanding
wall, Dr. Merrill felt that the fence would create a temptation
for children to use the freestanding wall to climb up and over the
pool fence which would result in a potential injury or drowning.
Dr. Merrill also felt that the proposed fence would obstruct his
view. Dr. Merrill suggested alternatives by placing the pool
fencing on the lower, inside wall or constructing a fence on top
of the upper retaining wall.
Commissioner McNulty asked if Staff would approve fence on top of
retaining wall.
Mr. Benard stated that a fence at the property line or on top of
retaining wall would need a Variance,aand the height of the gate
is excessive.
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Commissioner McNulty made a motion to approve
and fence in the side yard and gate and fence
setback at height built in accordance with the
motion was seconded by Commissioner Katherman,
unanimously.
the combination wall
along the front
Building Code. The
and passed
SUBREGION 7 & 8 EIR The staff report was presented
PVDS AT PVDE by Mr. Benard requesting a
public hearing on DEIR No. 36
for the development proposal for 116 single family residential
lots, an 18 -hole public golf course and clubhouse and passive open
space. Applications were submitted on May 3, 1991, for this,
proposed development by PVLH Co. and Zuckerman who are the owners
of the property (with the exception of the school owned land which
is located in the center of the project) and have joined
partnership for this joint development. The DEIR addresses 12
resource areas and proposes mitigation measures. The purpose of
this hearing is to give the public an opportunity to comment of
the adequacy of the DEIR.
Mike Mohler, 25200 La Paz, Ste. 210, Laguna Hills, CA 92653,
representing PVLH Co./Zuckerman, stated that the developers are in
the process of reviewing the EIR and will have their written
comments available to Staff not later than July 22, 1991.
Barbara Dye, 7035 Hartcrest Dr., representing the Trails
Committee, stated the Committee is presently reviewing the DEIR
and will be preparing written comments. The Trails Committee did
have a brief statement from their July 8, 1991 meeting stating
the DEIR is seriously deficient in its examination of trails,
trails are not addressed in the Land Use or Traffic Circulation
section, which examine both the impact of the project and the
community's need for public access and the environmental impact of
trails construction. These inadequacies should be remedied before
the EIR is certified by the City.
Lois Knight Larue, 3136 Barkentine Rd., representing SOC 2000,
stated that the meeting was not properly noticed. She also stated
that golf courses are not to be considered as open space, and she
is opposed to the golf course because it is a major commercial
activity which is contrary to the General Plan. She also voiced
concerns of preservation of water courses, was opposed to on-site
grading to stabilize the land, and that the water management
control plan should be specific.
Bill Griffin, 5 Ginger Root Lane, stated he felt the DEIR was
inadequate in many areas. Append. B, pg. 28-29 conclusions are
-summary statements and should be addressed in EIR, as well as
Southshore landslide. Other issues which should be addressed are
overall geometry in area, low permeability of soil, specifically
address Leighton & Assoc. studies. Need to justify L.A. County
and school property. Other concern was human health (i.e. crops
and aerial spraying, hazardous wastes, midnight dumping, and waste
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oils.)
Paul Sefcheck, 38 Mela Lane, stated the DEIR does not address flow
of traffic during golf tournaments. He also voiced concerns
regarding water usage, and keeping the bluff top trails open to
the public.
John L. Beringer, 3412 Seaglen Dr., representing the RPV Council
of Homeowners, stated concerns regarding an 18 -hole golf course
and acquisition of Shoreline Park. Felt that Shoreline Park should
remain a passive park.
Jess Morton, 787 W. 4th St., San Pedro, stated there was not
proper noticing that the EIR was available. Stated his concerns
as this is a significant ecological area with a number of
endangered and rare species which are not mentioned in the DEIR,
and that many of these species need to be studied. He also
recommended consideration of the California Gnatcatcher as an
endangered species. Mr. Morton referred to a number of
misspellings in the DEIR.
Angelica Brinkmann-Busi, 1354 Stonewood Crt., San Pedro,
representing the California Native Plant Society, voiced concerns
in regards to the blufftops which are a sensitive wildlife
habitat, numerous plants located in the -area which are on the
endangered species list and need to be discussed even if not
listed. She stated the DEIR is inadequate because it does not
address the above concerns and that the open space and ecological
habitat needs to be clarified. Ms. Bussi advised a new survey
needs to be done according to State Fish & Game guidelines.
Bill Ailor, 1052 Via Palestra, representing Palos Verdes Peninsula
Land Conservancy, stated that his organization is trying to
purchase the portion of land owned by the County to establish
Shoreline Park as a coastal botanical area, and would like to
return to its natural state.
Allen Franz, 1336 26th Place, San Pedro, stated concerns in
regards to traffic and congestion through San Pedro, agricultural
site being protected, Natural Resources/Coastal Sage Scrub,
Seacliff erosion, dislocation or elimination of natural species,
runoff from golf course and residential development (i.e.
pesticides & herbicides) and that the solutions addressing these
issues in the DEIR are inadequate. Mitigation measures should be
better defined.
Ellen L. Hocking, 4014 Admirable Dr., representing Seaview HOA,
expressed concerns in regards to landslide areas around homes
being constructed and whether construction/grading will activate
the land movement, view impairment and height of homes, hydrology
(drainage effects of toxins and pollutions) water shortage,
traffic impacts (no mention of road on west side of development
connecting to PVDS), and route for school children.
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Jim Lowery, 570 Shepard St. , San Pedro, expressed there was little
analysis in the DEIR of habitat and behavior of animals and impact
on wildlife of drainage routes. Also expressed opposition to golf
course due to water shortage, and open space use needed to be
preserved.
Chairman Von Hagen reminded the public that they will have until
July 22, 1991 to file written comments on the DEIR to the Planning
Department.
Commissioner McNulty made a motion to close the public hearing
and Commissioner Hotchkiss seconded the motion. The motion passes
unanimously.
QUESTIONS FROM AUDIENCE
None
REPORTS
A. STAFF - Mr. Benard reminded the Planning Commission of the
memorandum in their packets in regard to the League of
California Cities Annual Conference October 13 - 16, 1991
being held in San Francisco. Also the California Chapter
American Planning Association meeting in Sacramento.
Mr. Benard informed the Commission that he had been in
communication with Mr. Stefanos Polyzoides and that Mr.
Polyzoides will be making a presentation on neo-traditional
planning issues at the Planning Commission meeting of
July 23, 1991 beginning at 6: 30 p.m. Mrs. Bacharach will
also be attending this meeting.
Adjournment at 12: 45 p.m. to the meeting of July 23, 1991
beginning at 6: 30 p.m.
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