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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 28, 1991
The meeting was called to order at 6:40 p.m. by Chairman Von
Hagen at Hesse Community Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT Commissioners Brooks, Hotchkiss (arrived at 6:45
p.m.), Katherman, McNulty (arrived at 7:25 p.m.)
Chairman Von Hagen
ABSENT None
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Robert
Benard, Senior Planner Carolynn Petru, Associate Planners Mike
Patterson, Joel Rojas and Terry Silverman, and Assistant Planner
Fabio de Freitas.
COMMUNICATIONS
Chairman Von Hagen acknowledged receipt of a letter from Sonja
Pedersen Hayes regarding the Pan Asian CUP, a memo from Robert
Benard regarding an addendum to the staff report on Tract No.
46651, and letters from Timi Hallem and John Sharkey regarding
the Kajima project.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. TENTATIVE TRACT NO. Associate Planner Terry Silverman
46651, CONDITIONAL presented the staff report
USE PERMIT NO. 151, regarding the applicant's request
GRADING NO. 1389, to approve a 76 lot single family
Kajima, crest/ residential development with common
Higi-ridge open space, adding clarifications
and revisions contained in the
staff addendum of May 28, 1991. The applicant has requested
modification of Condition No. F.3 of the CUP to require only
rough grading on each lot; staff recommends against this request
to prevent future alterations to the land (including modified pad
elevations) without consent of the Planning Commission, and to
prevent removal of vegetation. Kajima has also requested a
minimum street width of 28 ft.; the Director of Public Works
recommends a minimum 34 ft. width.
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Ms. Silverman presented photographs from the podium showing the
views at 16 ft. and at 26 ft. based on proposed pad elevations.
Chairman Von Hagen then opened the public hearing.
Timi Hallem, 355 S. Grand Ave., Los Angeles (attorney for Kajima)
distributed the applicant's response to the most recent
conditions from the City. She summarized the changes which have
been made since May 6: elimination of five lots (by combining
Lots 1 and 2 and eliminating Lots 15, 32, 33 and 61), increasing
minimum lot size to 13,000 sq.ft., creation of a 25 ft. landscape
buffer beside the entry road in addition to a buffer along
Highridge, and reducing Rue du Vouvray to 28 ft. The major
remaining concerns are the number of single story lots (staff
recommends 19; Kajima requests 12), the requirement for four
left -turn lanes, and the CUP requirement for final grading rather
than rough grading.
Commissioner Brooks asked how many acres in McCarrell Canyon were
designated Open Space Hazard; Ms. Hallem replied there were 12
acres so designated. Commissioner Hotchkiss expressed concern
regarding balanced grading. Commissioner Katherman questioned
the applicant's desire to have two-story homes along Crest Road,
and Ms. Hallem stated that views would be maximized by creation
of view corridors between the two-story homes.
Ms. Hallem indicated the applicant is in agreement with the
requirements involving trail access, including the proposed
dedication of the easement. She stated that a map with pad
elevations would be provided.
Mary Nastronero, PSOXAS and Associates, 3420 Ocean Park Blvd.,
Santa Monica, representing the applicant, noted that the pad
elevations shown on the map are target elevations only, as it is
not an engineered plan. Regarding wetlands on the site, their
study of the jurisdictional limits of the U.S. Army Corps of
Engineers as well as the California Department of Fish and Game
show that there is a total of .33 acre in the two drainage
courses and the small channel stabilization structures within
both channels and the detention basin in Drainage A will impact
approximately .1 acre of the two jurisdictions. Nationwide
permits for impacts under 10 acres are routinely dealt with by
the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and the Dept of Fish and Game
has similar provisions.
Rough grading procedures were explained, and Ms. Nastronero noted
that from 21 to 51 within final elevations is rough grading of an
area. Regarding the applicant's desire for one street to be only
281 wide, she stated that Rue du Vouvray is a single loaded
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street with cul-de-sacs on both ends. Because a buffer zone will
be provided between Crest Road and Rue du Vouvray, homes in the
tract will be no closer than 77 feet from Crest Road (281 buffer
zone, 281 street, 241 front setback), and the reduced street
width would be appropriate in this area. Commissioner Katherman
said he would like to see variations in the setbacks of the homes
along that street. Ms. Nastronero noted that most ridgelines
will be below the street level. At this point, there is a 191
difference in grade level between Rue du Vouvray and Crest. A
detailed grading study has not yet been done; a detailed,
engineered plan will be provided when the number and location of
lots has been determined.
Diane Alexander, 49 Country Meadow Road, RHE, requested that as
many homes as possible along Crest Road be single story to
maintain view corridors.
Tom Alley, 6304 Sattes Drive, expressed concern with the amount
of grading (420,000 cubic yards). He requested that the
developer complete final grading of the area during the initial
grading, to facilitate inspection. He also asked that the City
watch and regulate the maximum fill on the site. Director Benard
pointed out that this project is not limited to 51 in the cut and
fill operation.
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine, stated her concern about what this
project will do to the south slopes of the Peninsula. Despite no
rain in recent weeks, she said there is water flowing and
mosquitos are breeding there. She said the City has created the
wetlands and is responsible for their maintenance. She requested
that conditions be placed on the developer to prevent destruction
of the natural beauty during grading.
sunshine, 6 Limetree Lane, speaking as an individual, clarified
that the grading to approach the tunnel could impact a distance
of 700 ft.; however, the tunnel itself would be about 100 ft.
She also expressed concern regarding grading in the canyons.
Director Benard pointed out that the CUP prohibits grading on
slopes of more than 35%.
Barbara Dye, 7035 Hartcrest Drive, stated for the Trails
Committee that their preferred trail alignment is a crossing at
Country Meadow Road, but under the circumstances they feel the
solution that has been worked out is the best possible one. She
said the Trails Committee is pleased with the Conditions of
Approval as they now stand.
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Mary Nastronero added that the water in the area behind the Ocean
Terrace homes is of great concern to the City Engineer. Kajima's
plan for the detention basin will prevent the water from standing
or percolating. She added that there are no traffic warrants or
indications for a traffic signal at Highridge and Crest so the
rationale for requiring left turn lanes is not clear.
Chairman Von Hagen moved to continue the public hearing to June
25, commissioner Hotchkiss seconded and the motion passed without
objection.
Commissioner Katherman suggested staff look into the possibility
of reusing the excess water in the area.
Chairman Von Hagen called for consideration of the Consent
Calendar before discussion of the amended draft Conditions of
Approval for CUP No. 151 and Grading No. 1389.
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Minutes of 5/6/91
B. Conditional Use Permit No. 23 - REV. "EE"; Mr. Kirby Larson,
3355 Palo Vista Drive.
Requested Action: Revise the original Conditional Use
Permit and Grading approvals to allow for additional grading
for a level rear yard area.
Recommendation: Approve the modified proposal with
conditions.
Commissioner Brooks moved approval of the Consent Calendar,
Commissioner Katherman seconded and the motion carried
unanimously.
TENTATIVE TRACT NO. 46651, CUP NO. 151, GRADING NO. 1389; Kajima
(Continued)
Associate Planner Silverman requested guidance regarding heights
as related to view impairment, reviewing the options in the staff
report. Lots 9 through 18 were cited as of particular concern.
Commissioner Katherman suggested clustering some of the two-story
homes together where there would be view impairment even with
one-story structures, in order to preserve views in other areas.
He thought the applicant should provide information about where
these areas are. He wanted the homes near the entrance to be
single -story, and also houses that abut existing single -story
homes to the south. He added that he would not want to see
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additional grading on this project. Chairman Von Hagen suggested
that if additional grading resulted in a better view protection
package, it could be a good tradeoff.
It was agreed that a grading report and pad elevations are needed
before final determinations can be made on the project. All
information should be available so that a final decision may be
made on June 25.
Commissioners agreed that in general, the houses along Crest Road
should be one-story, and two-story structures should be somewhat
clustered to provide view corridors. The Catalina Island view
was considered to be significant. The feeling was that if a 161
structure blocks the pastoral view of the canyon, it is not a
protected view. The applicant was directed to show the
Commission where view impairment will occur above 16 feet. The
view corridors identified were both down the canyon and across
the site towards Catalina Island from Crest Road, and from the
three homes located along Highridge in the Presley Tract.
Requesting clarification, Mary Nastronero emphasized that the
views are dynamic and not all views can be protected at all
times. Chairman Von Hagen explained that the Commission would
like to see three or four view corridors established, and they
want to protect the views currently enjoyed by the surrounding
neighborhood homes.
The subject of lot configuration was discussed. Commissioner
Brooks stated she still feels there are too many homes in the
subdivision, and would prefer an RS -2 designation. She favored
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In discussing the revised draft Conditions of Approval (as
modified by the May 28 Addendum to Staff Report) as to whether
the tract site plan should be approved by the Director or
resubmitted to the Commission, it was agreed to revise Paragraph
B.4 to include wording similar to that used in the Long Point
application, so that if there are any significant changes the
application will be brought back to the Planning Commission.
Regarding Paragraph F.3, Kajima has requested modification to
require only rough grading on each lot, while staff recommends
finish grading to prevent individual landowners from attempting
to modify pad elevations between rough and finish grading, and to
require landscaping on the finished grade. Ms. Nastronero said
the developer would like to do the finish grading in phases based
on projected lot sales. This was discussed and the Commissioners
agreed that phased grading would be acceptable. Paragraph F.1 is
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Commissioner Brooks moved to adopt the staff recommendations,
Commissioner Ratherman seconded, and the motion passed without
objection.
C. VARIANCE NO. 260, Associate Planner Mike Patterson
COASTAL PERMIT NO. 97 presented the staff report
6470 & 6450 Seacove regarding the applicants' request
to approve after -the -fact masonry
walls, iron gates and lighting in excess of 6 feet. Staff's
recommendation is to deny the request. Mr. Patterson said the
main problem is with the pilasters, which are from 6-1/2' to 7'
high measured from outside the property. Chairman Von Hagen
declared the public hearing open.
Robert Hunt, 6470 Seacove Drive, testified that when the height
problem was brought to his attention he relandscaped the yard,
putting in more sod in an attempt to raise it so the wall would
not be more than 6 feet tall from the ground. He also said the
lights provide illumination at the entrance to the condominium
complex and enhance public safety.
Myra Chen, 6450 Seacove Drive, stated that because the property
is sloped toward the ocean, the walls are stepped down and vary
from 4 feet high to a little over 6 feet. The front portion of
the wall is under 6 feet except for the light on top of the
pilaster. She said she was told by staff that she could apply
for a minor exception permit for the light.
Ilse Oetiker, 6504 Via Baron, testified that the neighbors on
both sides of the applicants have said if the variance is
approved they will also apply for variances for higher walls.
Her windows face onto Seacove and she doesn't care to look at
solid walls.
Chairman Von Hagen declared the public hearing closed.
Commissioner Hotchkiss asked what the applicants would need to do
to come into compliance, and Mr. Patterson replied that the
pilasters for the side walls would have to be reduced to no more
than 6 feet in height, that the lights be removed from the top of
the 6 ft. fence on the Chen property and from the top of the
fence on the front property line of the Hunt property. Various
options were discussed and there was agreement that there was no
negative impact on the community and the homes are aesthetically
pleasing.
Commissioner Hotchkiss moved adoption of staff Alternative No. 1,
to deny the Variance and Coastal Permit. The motion died for
lack of a second.
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to be revised to include finished grading phases before and
detention basin... The second line of Paragraph F.2 will be
revised to read: issued for any structure prior to finish
grading of the site and until the Director...
Senior Planner Petru suggested that Paragraph I, Traffic/
Circulation, be placed in the Tract Conditions rather than in the
CUP Conditions, to be discussed with the Director of Public
Works. This was agreed to by the Commission.
Under Paragraph J, Grading, Ms. Silverman noted that the
suggested change to J.8 contained in the Addendum to Staff Report
should be revised to eliminate the words multi-purpose trails.
Regarding street width, Ms. Silverman reported that the Director
of Public Works recommended a minimum width of 34 feet. After
discussion, Commissioners agreed to allow a width of 28 feet for
Rue du Vouvray.
It was suggested that the setbacks be staggered along Rue du
Vouvray to avoid the look of row houses.
Bonding for traffic improvements will be required, but not
related to the tunnel.
Regarding trail improvements, Ms. Petru reported the City is
requiring a pedestrian trail along the entire length of Crest
Road (including a hard surface and an adjacent soft footing), the
Kajima Trail through the middle of the tract, an equestrian/
pedestrian trail along the southern edge of the tract, pedestrian
links at each end of Rue du Sancerre, the easement for the tunnel
and a link along Highridge Road.
RECESS AND RECONVENE A 10 -minute break was called at
9:25 p.m.
B. VARIANCE NO. 291, Commissioner Hotchkiss excused
COASTAL PERMIT NO. 100 himself from participation in this
99 Spindrift application due to its proximity to
his home. Reading of the staff
report was waived regarding the applicant's request to allow
reductions in the minimum required setbacks and to exceed the
allowable additional area standard for a deck enclosure and
second story addition. Staff's recommendation is to approve the
requests with conditions. Assistant Planner de Freitas reported
the applicant has agreed to all conditions.
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Chairman Von Hagen moved adoption of Alternative No. 2, approving
the Variance and Coastal Permit. The motion was seconded by
Commissioner Brooks and passed 3-2, with Commissioners Hotchkiss
and McNulty dissenting.
D. VARIANCE NO. 287; Mr. Reading of the staff report was
& Mrs. Dennis Bruns, waived regarding the applicant's
30332 Via Borica request to allow extension of an
existing deck to encroach 71 over
an extreme slope and 21 into the side yard setback. Staff's
recommendation is to allow the request with conditions. The
public hearing was opened.
Mr. Dennis Bruns, 30332 Via Borica, stated he is in agreement
with the conditions in the staff report.
Commissioner McNulty moved to close the public hearing,
Commissioner Katherman seconded and the motion passed without
objection.
Commissioner McNulty moved to approve the application,
Commissioner Brooks seconded and the motion passed 5-0.
CONTINUED BUSINESS
A. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT Senior Planner Petru presented the
NO. 31 - REV.11C11; staff report regarding the
Shapell Industries, applicant's request to allow the
Tract No. 33206 commencement of construction for
the remaining vacant lots within
the tract to be phased over a two year period. Staff's
recommendation is to approve the revision, subject to conditions
of approval. Mention was made of previous testimony by an FAA
representative disputing the contention made in an FAA letter
that a health hazard exists from the microwave facility. The
public hearing was opened by Chairman Von Hagen.
Syd Dederick, 8383 Wilshire Blvd. (Construction Superintendent
for Shapell Industries), stated he agrees with the revised
Conditions of Approval. In reply to Chairman Von Hagen's advice
that a salesman for the project was representing that it would be
a gated community, Mr. Dederick said the development is
advertised as a guarded community and he would speak to the sales
staff about possible misrepresentation. Commissioner Brooks
expressed the concern of some members of the community about the
young man standing by the side of the road holding a "New Homes"
sign.
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Commissioner Hotchkiss moved to close the public hearing,
Commissioner Katherman seconded and the motion passed without
objection.
Commissioner Katherman moved to approve the staff recommendation,
Commissioner McNulty seconded and the motion passed 5-0.
NEW BUSINESS
A. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT Reading of the staff report was
NO. 147, et al. - waived on the applicant's request
EXTENSION; Pan Asian, to extend CUP No. 147, et al. for
31270 PV Drive West one year to April 17, 1992.
Staff's recommendation is to
approve the extension as requested subject to all previous
conditions of approval. Chairman Von Hagen pointed out that this
hearing is not to discuss the merits of the project, but only the
extension.
Sonja Pedersen Hayes, 64 via Capri, suggested the request should
be denied because the current business climate is such that
commercial space is overbuilt and standing empty. (She mentioned
the building her husband's office is located in as an example of
a vacant -looking building. Chairman Von Hagen stated for the
record that he is the leasing agent for that building and it is
84% full.) Commissioner Katherman advised Mrs. Hayes that the
Planning Commission is charged with looking at land use issues
only, not the projected success of marketing for any project.
Russell Tracy, 5 Via Veneta, speaking on behalf of the Villa
Capri Homeowners Association, expressed their concern that the
developer might begin the project and not have the financial
resources to complete it.
Stating that the Planning Commission has never turned down a
first request for extension, Commissioner McNulty said the City
Council has approved the project and the Commission has no reason
to turn it down.
Commissioner McNulty moved that the extension be granted,
Commissioner Hotchkiss seconded and the motion passed 5-0.
QUESTIONS FROM AUDIENCE
None.
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REPORTS
A. STAFF
None
B. COMMISSION
Chairman Von Hagen and Commissioner Brooks reported on the
Contract Cities Association meeting in Palm Springs.
ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 10:43 p.m.
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