PC MINS 19901211MINUTES
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
DECEMBER 11, 1990
The meeting was called to order at 6;40 p.m. by Chairman McNulty
at Hesse Community Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT McNulty, Von Hagen, Hotchkiss, Brooks, Katherman
ABSENT None
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Robert
Benard, Planning Administrator Curtis Williams, Senior Planner
Carolynn Petru, Associate Planner Terry Silverman, and Assistant
Planner Fabio de Freitas.
COMMUNICATIONS
There were no communications to be distributed. Chairman McNulty
announced that the evening's meeting was being video recorded for
replay on Cable Channel 3 on December 22, 1990 at 1;00 p.m.
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Minutes of November 27, 1990 -- Commissioner Hotchkiss
offered a correction on page 3 to indicate that Commissioner
Katherman seconded the motion on Height Variation No. 674 -
Appeal, not Commissioner Hotchkiss.
B. P.C. Resolution No. 90-_, Height Variation No. 674.
C. P.C. Resolution No. 90- , Variance No. 273 and Grading No.
1491 -- Commissioner Katherman indicated that the discussion in
the minutes regarding this item should include the Commissioners'
statements that the City's policy should be to require Variance
requests for height to follow the same procedures for early
neighbor consultation as Height Variations.
D. GRADING NO. 1320
Commission Brooks moved, seconded by Commissioner Katherman, to
approve the Consent Calendar as amended, and the motion was passed
unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. VARIANCE NO. 279 Director Robert Benard presented the
83 Miraleste Plaza staff report regarding the placement
of a satellite dish at the Miraleste
Fire Station. Mr. Benard indicated that since the variance for
the satellite dish was submitted, the application has been revised
to include a wall in excess of the allowable height for the Fire
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Station. Staff's recommendation is to continue the item until
January 8, 1991 to allow proper notice of the amended application.
Commissioner Brooks requested that the Miraleste Parks District be
notified of the hearing.
Commissioner Von Hagen moved to continue the item as per staff's
recommendation, Commissioner Brooks seconded, and the motion
passed unanimously.
B. VARIANCE NO. 274 Associate Planner Terry Silverman
2123 Summerland presented the staff report regarding
the applicant's request to allow
after -the -fact construction of a garage extension 9 feet into the
front setback, resulting from an inaccurate representation of the
location of the applicant's property line. Staff's recommendation
is to approve the variance, with conditions.
Commissioner Hotchkiss questioned whose plans were inaccurate and
whether the City has maps to better identify property lines.
Director Benard stated that the Public Works Department maintains
maps depicting property lines, and that staff is now attempting to
clarify plans where the property line and the curb line are not
both shown.
The public hearing was opened, but there was no one to speak. The
public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Brooks noted that the Commission denied a similar
case last week. Commissioner Katherman indicated that in this
case there are unusual circumstances in that there are numerous
nonconforming 15 -foot setbacks in the area.
Commissioner Von Hagen moved to approve the project as per staff's
recommendation, Commissioner Katherman seconded, and the motion
passed unanimously.
C. HEIGHT VARIATION NO. Assistant Planner Fabio de Freitas
642 - APPEAL presented the staff report regarding
6921 Larkvale the applicant's appeal of staff's
denial of a second story addition.
Staff feels that there would be significant view impairment caused
by the addition, and therefore recommends that the appeal be
denied.
The public hearing was opened.
Commissioner Von Hagen asked if the staff analysis was conducted
excluding foliage which might block views. Mr. de Freitas stated
that the Code does require such analysis, and that regardless of
foliage, staff felt that the structure would significantly impair
the neighbor's view from inside his structure.
John Poorman, 6921 Larkvale, applicant/appellant, discussed
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discrepancies in the square footage of the addition, as indicated
in the staff report, and disputed staff's estimate of the degree
of arc of the view. Mr. Poorman stated that removal of vegetation
through view restoration would result in the impairment caused by
the structure being insignificant, and urged the Commission to
uphold his appeal.
Commissioner Katherman asked whether Mr. Poorman had evaluated
alternative designs to minimize view impairment, and Mr. Poorman
stated that he had pulled the plans back so as not to extend over
the entire garage in order to respect the setback.
Stanley Taylor, 28231 Golden Meadow, supported the project,
indicating that he could not see the structure from his house.
William Taylor, 6924 Larkvale, also expressed support for the
project, feeling that it was not incompatible with the
neighborhood, and stated that the Poorman's had been delayed by
the passage of Proposition M.
Charles Hoff, 28205 Ambergate, distributed a letter opposing the
appeal, and stated that the project was not compatible with the
area, and would result in the loss of views from neighboring
structures.
Sheila Hoff, 28205 Ambergate, supported staff recommendation to
deny the appeal in order to protect views.
Ann Stone, 28125 Ambergate, agreed with staff's recommendation,
and indicated that there were no 2 -story structures on Larkvale.
Bill Cleary, 6935 Brookford, supported denial of the appeal, and
felt that the structure would not be compatible and would double
existing house sizes.
Marion Koines, 28133 Ambergate, also supported denial of the
appeal.
Richard H.C. Lee, 28285 Trailriders, objected to the project
because it would eliminate his primary views from the living room,
dining room, and bedroom, and stated that his view includes the
ocean and San Nicholas Island, and therefore urged denial of the
appeal.
Rosalind Lee, 28285 Trailriders, also opposed the project as it
would significantly block their view.
Albert Lee, 3923 Minerva, West L.A., also indicated that the view
sitting in his parents' living or dining rooms would be blocked
and that the portion of the view to be blocked would be in the
center of the overall view.
The public hearing was closed.
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Commissioner Brooks stated that she felt that the structure would
not be incompatible with the neighborhood and that there would not
be a cumulative impact, but that there would be a direct view
impact and she concurs with staff's recommendation for denial.
Commissioner Hotchkiss also felt there was not a compatibility
problem, but that the impairment in the center of the view would
be significant.
Commissioner Katherman agreed that the impairment of the central
portion of the view would be significant, and would support denial
of the appeal.
Commissioner Von Hagen felt that this was clearly a view
restoration case, and that the foliage significantly blocks the
view, not the structure.
Chairman McNulty stated that the proposed structure would
significantly block the view, especially because of its location
in the center of the view.
The public hearing was re -opened.
Mr. Poorman indicated that, with view restoration, the Lee's would
have a 105 degree view restored, and could see Catalina Island to
the south and the Malibu coastline to the north.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Brooks moved staff recommendation to deny the appeal,
seconded by Commissioner Katherman, and the motion passed by a
vote of 4-1, with Commissioner Von Hagen dissenting.
D. VARIANCE NO. 275
29702 Grandpoint
structure in excess of 30 feet
an extreme slope.
The public hearing was opened.
Presentation of the staff report was
waived. The proposed project would
include a deck which would create a
in height, and a covered deck over
Robert Lerma, 29702 Grandpoint, the applicant, indicated his
agreement with the conditions of approval.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Katherman moved to approve staff's recommendation for
approval, seconded by Commissioner Von Hagen, and the motion
passed unanimously.
The Commission recessed at 8:10 p.m. and reconvened at 8:25 p.m.
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E. LONG POINT EIR Chairman McNulty stated that the
6610 Palos Verdes purpose of the hearing was to
Drive South accept comments directed to the
adequacy of the Draft EIR, not the
merits of the project itself, and that the hearing was scheduled
to occur within the time period for review of the document. He
further indicated that subsequent hearings will be held to
consider the Conditional Use Permit and related applications.
Senior Planner Carolynn Petru presented the staff report regarding
the Draft Environmental Impact Report for the Monaghan Company's
proposed 495 room destination resort hotel with ancillary uses and
a nine hole golf course. Ms. Petru stated that the document has
been available since October 29, 1990 and that the 45 day review
period will end on December 13, 1990.
Commissioner Von Hagen noted that the only remaining significant
impact after mitigation was the stationary and mobile source
emissions. Ms. Petru explained that due to the strict AQMD
standards, even minor additions exceed the limitations imposed by
the agency.
Gary Peterson, ETR consultant, further explained that the AQMD
significance relates only to the mobile sources, and that if the
project was taken out of the context of the basin requirements, it
would have no significant impact.
The public hearing was opened.
Joan Hanley, 3037 Deluna Drive, representing the Monaghan Company,
stated the Monaghan Company felt the ETR was an excellent report
that addressed the issues well, and she also noted that the
traffic information was based on a largely abandoned and
demolished facility and did not take into account the amount of
traffic Marineland brought in when it was open. She also stated
that they were more than willing to fulfill traffic mitigation
measures, but asked that the same standards be imposed on the
other projects before the City.
Barbara Dye, 1035 Hartcrest Drive, representing the Trails
Committee, asked that the EIR clarify the public parking area and
address the coastal shore access issue in order to protect the
haul -out and tidepool areas from public access. Ms. Dye also
asked that the project schedule include the trail design, and
claimed that the helipad would have a negative impact on the
trails. She also stated that the text regarding the trails plan
and bikeways was not accurate, and should be corrected.
Lorna Burrell, #1 Park Place, stated she was in favor of the
project as it would bring much needed revenue to the City.
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John Arand, 5731 Mistridge Drive, representing his Homeowners
Association, asked that the EIR clarify the municipal golf course
and employee housing issues, and suggested that the project be
approved as a total project, not a piecemeal basis.
Angelika Brinkmann-Buri, 1354 Stonewood Court, San Pedro,
representing the California Native Plant Society, stated that the
project area was part of an ecological preserve, and that the EIR
did not address the potential impact of the project on rare and
endangered vegetation present on the coastal bluffs, and asked
that mitigation measures in this area be included.
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine, stated she personally felt the EIR
was inaccurate, and that she was opposed to the helipad.
June Li.pshutz, 3756 Hightide, also objected to the helipad and
potential traffic congestion.
Kay Bara, 1 Peppertree, outlined some additional areas of traffic
impact she felt should be looked at in the EIR, and asked that the
school redistricting and impacts on neighboring cities be
addressed as well.
Elise Gorman, 3675 Vigilance Dr., also expressed concern regarding
traffic through San Pedro and PVDS.
Ilse Oetiker, 6504 Via Baron, expressed concern regarding the
helipad, citing noise impact.
Gar Goodson, 2939 Via Zorita, PVE, representing Save Our Coastline
2000, stated he felt the EIR was inadequate with respect to low-
income housing, endangered species, pedestrian and bike trails,
and that it was not in line with the General Plan and Coastal
Specific Plan.
Cathy Manning, 29438 Quailwood, stated she felt the traffic impact
created by the project would be greater than Marineland due to the
24 -hour -a -day nature of the hotel traffic. Ms. Manning also noted
that conference facilities affected the amount of traffic, and
stated it was important to specify the hotel operator and type of
ancillary facilities planned.
Al Esser, 71 Crest Road East, Rolling Hills, asked that the EIR
comparatively address traffic impact using Marineland numbers.
Dr. Chris Manning, 14 Crest Road, Rolling Bills, also stated he
felt the traffic impact was not adequately examined with regards
to conference center usage and intersection impacts.
Richard Bara, #1 Peppertree, questioned the amount of revenue the
hotel would generate, and stated he felt the increased street
maintenance costs might be underestimated.
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Commissioner Von Hagen stated he felt that the EIR should address
traffic impacts on 25th Street/PVDS, and Gaffey, not Highridge,
and that the traffic impact be compared with that from Marineland
in its operative stage. Mr. Von Hagen also asked that the golf
course be addressed in further detail, and that more information
be presented regarding mitigation of employee housing needs.
Commissioner Hotchkiss expressed concern about a "luxury" hotel
with a commercial theme, and stated he felt It would be impossible
to clearly define the usage until the operator was named.
Commissioner Katherman also expressed concern about the type of
hotel it would be, which he felt would impact traffic, and that
the school redistricting should be taken into account. Mr.
Katherman also felt the traffic impact should be compared with
that of Marineland, and that a mitigation monitoring program be
established. He also asked that the employee housing, golf course
ownership, native plant replacement and neighboring cities traffic
mitigation be addressed in the EIR.
Commissioner Brooks agreed that the traffic and school district
impacts be examined more closely, and that the usage of the
facilities be more clearly outlined using other hotels as
examples. Ms. Brooks asked if the City would be involved In the
golf course, and what the decibel readings would be from the
helipad. She also suggested that the existing buildings within
the coastal setbacks be examined for geologic stability, and that
a mitigation monitoring program be set up.
Chairman McNulty thanked all the residents who commented in
writing or in person. Mr. McNulty also stated he agreed with the
comments of all the other Commissioners and the public regarding
additional issues the EIR should address. Chairman McNulty then
specifically requested that the Draft EIR present a specific
account of whether or not, and how, the City has the right to go
forward with this project, and to examine the consistency with the
General Plan and Coastal Specific Plan, in order to confirm that
the City has the right under current municipal codes and
ordinances to allow this project to exist.
The public hearing was continued to Monday, February 4, 1991, at
7:30pm at the Ladera Linda Community Center. It was noted that
the public hearing will be re -noticed.
CONTINUED BUSINESS
A. GRADING NO. 1483 - Associate Planner Terry Silverman
REVISED; 27995 presented the staff report related
Palos Verdes Dr. South to the applicant's request to allow
remedial grading and construction of
retaining walls in the front portion of the property and grading
the rear yard extreme slope for retaining walls. Staff's
recommendation is to deny the request for remedial grading and
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walls in the front, and to approve the retaining wall in the rear
yard slope in conformance with the staff alternative.
Ms. Silverman added that condition #6 should include additional
language regarding the trail easement, and that new conditions are
suggested for approving the haul route for export material and
mitigation for control of dust during construction.
Commissioner Brooks commented that the City should offer
assistance to the applicant in the design of a Category 5 trail.
Terry Taylor, 27995 Palos Verdes Drive East, the applicant, stated
that the slope in the rear was not a natural slope, and that they
would like to move the dirt to the front of the lot, that the
alternative garage location was only acceptable if everyone wanted
it there, and that he would like to relocate the barn onto the
extreme slope area where it would be out of the setback.
Steven Taylor, 433 Via La Selva, Redondo Beach, indicated that
they are requesting the turnaround design from the original
application, as well as the relocated barn. Mr. Taylor felt that
the rear slope was created by a bulldozer many years ago, that the
proposed project would keep all dirt onsite, and that it wouldn't
affect any neighbors.
Chairman McNulty questioned whether the slope was natural and
whether it was uncompacted.
Steven Taylor showed a video of aerial views of the site.
R. M. Patterson, 27965 Palos Verdes Drive East, the applicant's
neighbor, opposes relocation of the garage to the front of the lot
because of potential view impacts.
Sunshine, 6 Limetree, expressed thanks to the Taylors and the
Commission for their cooperation in implementing the trail for
this site.
Commissioner Hotchkiss stated that the garage shouldn't be placed
on the lower level of the lot and questioned how the current turn-
around inadequacies were created.
Commissioner Katherman also felt that the garage should be in the
rear, and that the front area needed recontouring, but that he
would support a modification of staff's turnaround design.
Commissioner Von Hagen commented that he could support the
applicant's original plan.
Commissioner Brooks also expressed support for the original plan
due to the impact of placing the garage at the lower level on Mr.
Patterson's view and the pressing need for more turnaround space.
Chairman McNulty indicated that he also felt the garage should not
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be in front and concurred with the need for turnaround space, but
expressed concern that the hardship was self-imposed in the
construction of such a large home.
Commissioner Brooks moved approval of the applicant's original
application, including the placement of 850 cubic yards of
excavated dirt on the front of the lot, and that staff should
prepare a resolution with appropriate conditions for the next
meeting. Commissioner Hotchkiss seconded, and the motion passed
4-1, with Commissioner Katherman dissenting.
NEW BUSINESS
A. GRADING NO. 1180 This item was continued until the
4105 Palos Verdes January 8, 1991 meeting due to lack
Drive East of time.
QUESTIONS FROM AUDIENCE
There were no questions from the audience.
STAFF REPORTS
Director Benard indicated that the City Council would be holding a
budget hearing at 8:00 a.m. on Saturday morning, December 15th.
Mr. Benard also updated the Commission regarding scheduled
meetings in January and February, including beginning regularly
scheduled meetings on January 8th and 22nd at 6:30 p.m. at Hesse
Park, and holding special Commission meetings at 7:30 p.m. on
Mondays, January 14th, January 28th, and February 4th, all at
Ladera Linda School.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 11:35 p.m.
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