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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
NOVEMBER 27, 1990
The meeting was called to order at 7:35pm by Chairman McNulty
at Hesse Community Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT McNulty, Von Hagen, Hotchkiss, Brooks,
Katherman
ABSENT None
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Robert
Benard, Planning Administrator Curtis Williams, Associate
Planner John Leung, and Assistant Planners Terry Silverman
and Fabio de Freitas.
COMMUNICATIONS
Commissioner Brooks acknowledged receipt of a letter from Sam
Goldberg regarding unsightly properties, and Director Benard
stated that code enforcement was following up on the matter.
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. P.C. Resolution No. 90- , Conditional Use Permit No.
160, Sign Permit No. 536 --Commissioner Von Hagen asked
that the resolution be amended to state that the mast may fly
flags of non-commercial nature, not limiting it to only state
flags.
B. P.C. Resolution No. 90- , Height Variation No. 652 --
Chairman McNulty acknowledged receipt of three documents
regarding this application, and moved, seconded by
Commissioner Von Hagen and carried, to accept the documents
and to adopt the proposed alternative Resolution deleting
Condition #6.
C. GRADING NO. 1494
Chairman McNulty moved, seconded by Commissioner Von Hagen
and carried, to approve the Consent Calendar as amended.
Commissioner Brooks noted her abstention from items "A" and
"B", and her "yes" vote on Item "C".
PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. HEIGHT VARIATION NO.
674 -- APPEAL
appellant's request to appeal
of a second story addition.
Assistant Planner Fabio de
Freitas presented the staff
report regarding the
staff's administrative approval
Staff's recommendation is to
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deny the appeal, thereby upholding staff approval, with
conditions.
Commissioner Brooks asked why the temporary frame was not up
to standards, and Mr. de Freitas replied that the frame had
gone up nine months before the guidelines were established.
The public hearing was opened.
Ann Stone, 28125 Ambergate Drive, appellant, presented a map
of the properties claiming potential view impairment. She
also stated she felt there would be a negative cumulative
impact as a result of the project, which she also deemed
incompatible with the neighborhood due to its excessive size,
and she asked the Commission to uphold her appeal.
Commissioner Brooks asked why Ms. Stone had not appealed the
administrative action before the appeal period had ended, and
she replied that she had never received any notice on the
matter.
Sheila Hoff, 28205 Ambergate, presented photos and a view
analysis supporting her claim of potential cumulative and
view impact, and complained that the staff report did not
directly address her affected property.
Charles Hoff, 28205 Ambergate, presented a letter on behalf
of Edward Kurata to be added to the record, and spoke in
favor of the appeal, suggesting an engineer analyze the
project to give a more accurate report of the impact.
Joanne Campman, 6910 Maycroft, asked the Commission to uphold
the appeal, citing cumulative impact and neighborhood
incompatibility.
David Campman, 6910 Maycroft, also spoke against the Height
Variation, citing cumulative impact.
Walter C. Wey, 28113 Ambergate, read his letter to the staff
objecting to the proposed addition on the grounds,of
potential cumulative impact, and he also presented photos in
support of his opinion.
Bill Cleary, 6935 Brookford, asked the Commission to uphold
the appeal, expressing concern about the ability of the soil
to support the addition, and the effect of cumulative impact.
Marion Koines, 28133 Ambergate, spoke in support of the
appeal, and presented photographs taken from her living room
showing potential view impact. She also stated she felt the
project would be incompatible with the mostly one-story
neighborhood.
Richard Lee, 28285 Trailriders Drive, spoke in support of the
appeal, also citing neighborhood incompatibility and negative
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cumulative impact.
Pat Ringer, 6957 Brookford, also spoke against the Height
Variation, stating she agreed with the previous speakers.
Joyce Gibson, 6934 Brookford, applicant, responding to a
question from Commissioner Katherman, stated that the reason
the pro3ect had been designed width -wise was because to build
it deeper into the lot would have had a more severe view
impact on the neighbors. Ms. Gibson also stated there would
only be her family living in the home.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Von Hagen suggested a continuance so that the
Commissioners could more fully examine the potential view
impact from more of the affected properties.
Commissioner Brooks stated she had visited some of those
properties and did feel that there was significant view
impact as well as potential cumulative impact. Ms. Brooks
also stated she would like to see the temporary frame brought
up to current standards. Mr. Benard again noted that as
there had been no standards in effect when the frame went up,
the applicant was not required to update it.
Commissioner Katherman also suggested a continuance and a
voluntary re -flagging of the frame by the applicant, and
stated he was not prepared to vote approval of the addition
because of the mass of the facade and the lack of
neighborhood compatibility.
Chairman McNulty stated his main objection was the potential
cumulative impact and neighborhood incompatibility.
Commissioner Von Hagen then moved t continue the item for
two weeks pending further invest' tion, and included in this
motion an appeal to the applic to fix the temporary frame
voluntarily. Commissioner seconded the motion,
which failed on a 2-3 vote, with Commissioners Hotchkiss,
Brooks and Chairman McNulty dissenting.
Commissioner Brooks then moved to uphold the appeal to deny
the second story addition, Chairman McNulty seconded, and the
motion passed 3-1 with Commissioner Hotchkiss dissenting and
Commissioner Von Hagen abstaining.
B. VARIANCE NO. 272 Assistant Planner de Freitas
30524 Ganado presented the staff report
regarding the applicant's
request to allow two existing concrete block structures to
remain in their present locations in the sideyard setbacks.
Staff's recommendation is to approve the request with
conditions. The public hearing was opened.
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Charles Belak-Berger, 423 S. PCH, Suite 208, Redondo Beach,
applicant and architect for the landowner, stated he was in
agreement with the staff recommendations.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioners Von Hagen, Brooks and Katherman stated they did
not feel there was a need to reduce the storage shed height
to 6'.
Commissioner Von Hagen moved to grant the variance, altering
the conditions so as not to require any height reduction of
the storage shed. Commissioner Brooks seconded the motion,
and it passed unanimously.
C. VARIANCE NO. 273 Director Benard presented the
GRADING NO. 1491 staff report regarding the
2727 Colt Rd. applicant's request,to approve
a 3 -story single family
residence with a property ridge height 12 ft. higher than the
26 ft. maximum height allowed. Staff's recommendation is to
deny the application as requested, and to approve only the
footprint, grading and reduction in the front setback.
Commissioner Brooks asked if the structure as planned would
be the highest house in the City at 38' if it were approved,
and Director Benard stated it would be the tallest he was
aware of. The public hearing was opened.
Peter Mitilineos, 23527 Susana Ave., Torrance, applicant,
stated that he needed a big house because of his extended
family, and that due to the steep configuration of the steep
lot, the only way to get the room necessary was to go up, and
that it would affect no one's view. The applicant also noted
that there was another 3 -story house on Colt Road, and he
presented photos supporting his arguments.
Director Benard explained that the applicant had submitted a
Variance in order to go above 26 ft., because under a Height
Variation, he would not be able to go any higher than 26 ft.
Commissioner Katherman asked the applicant if he was willing
to dedicate the trail easement, and Mr. Mitilineos stated he
would be happy to do so.
Alvin Serpa, 14 Golden Spur Lane, neighbor, spoke in support
of the applicant's proposal, stating he did not object to the
height or size of the project.
Bob Vanderhoof, 777 Silver Spur Rd., architect for the
applicant, outlined the design process, stating that one
reason they had gone higher than normal was to make sure that
at least a part of the roof line was visible from the street
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for aesthetic reasons. Mr. Vanderhoof also presented
showing compatible houses in the area, and noted that
soil problems near the edge of the pad, the height of
house would mitigate need for caissons that would be
necessary if the house were two-story, taking up more
footprint.
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Commissioner Katherman complimented the architect on the
design, but expressed concern with the overall height,
questioning the height of the clerestory ceilings. The
architect explained that 10' had been utilized on the first
two floors to pick up the street face and to adjust the
problem with the garage access.
A letter from David English, 2 Top Rail Lane, in support of
the project, was made part of the application, and the public
hearing was closed.
Director Benard noted that in making a recommendation on this
application, the staff had taken into account only the
uniqueness of the property and reasonable development
potential, not necessarily the individual needs or desires of
the applicant.
Commissioner Katherman stated that he had been persuaded by
the comments of the speakers that the 38' height had merit,
and that if there were ever a site for a 3 -story building in
RFV, this would be it.
Commissioner Von Hagen stated he could not make the findings
for the height, even though he also approved of the design
and thought it was an appropriate location. Mr. Von Hagen
stated that he felt there was substantial additional
buildable area on the property, and he expressed reluctance
to compromise the integrity of the ordinance.
Commissioner Hotchkiss stated he thought the design was very
good, and that he hated to see small compromises made that
would affect it adversely. Mr. Hotchkiss also said he could
not make the findings for the height, but would like to.
Commissioner Brooks asked if early neighborhood notification
had been made, and Mr. Benard stated that it was not required
under a Variance. Mrs. Brooks stated she was uncomfortable
with not doing such a notification on a project with such an
excessive height. The architect stated that the actual
height was 35-1/2', and that they would be willing to do a
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Mr. Benard noted that the Commission co u continue ttfte em
and suggest to the applicant that they go through the process
of early neighborhood notification, and come back to the
Commission with the results. Commissioner Brooks moved to
the continue the item to a January date to allow the
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applicant to pursue the notification process. Commissioner
Katherman seconded the motion, which failed 1-4, with only
Commissioner Brooks assenting.
Commissioner Hotchkiss moved to approve the application as
submitted, limiting the height to 36', and adjusting the
front yard setback in Condition #2. Commissioner Katherman
seconded the motion, noting that exceptional circumstances
were in effect, and to deny the 3rd story of the project
would be denying the applicant enjoyment of substantial
property rights. The motion passed 4-1, with Commissioner
Brooks dissenting solely because no early neighborhood
notification had been done, although she stated she endorsed
the actual project.
Chairman McNulty noted that Colt Road was private, and also
stated this was a beautiful project that will fit into the
area, and although it was very large, due to the size of the
lot and articulation of details, it would be compatible with
the location and would be a significant asset to the area.
D. VARIANCE NO. 276 Commissioner Brooks stated that
3348 Corinna Dr. she had been noticed on this
item, and since it was within
300' of her residence, she was abstaining from hearing this
application.
Associate Planner John Leung presented the staff report
regarding the applicant's request to allow construction of a
bedroom and garage remodel encroaching 8 ft, into the 20 ft.
front setback. Staff's recommendation is to deny the
variance.
Chairman McNulty acknowledged receipt of seven letters from
residents objecting to the project. The public hearing was
opened.
Alan Greenberg, 3348 Corinna Dr., applicant, stated he needed
to expand his house due to the size of his family, and felt
that a one-story expansion was more in conformance with the
neighborhood. He also stated that the off-street parking
would not be affected, and that a backyard addition would use
up most of his yard and be unsightly to his rear neighbor,
and he asked the Commission to approve the application.
Larry Clark, 3354 Corinna Dr., next-door neighbor to the
applicant, spoke in support of the application, stating there
was neighborhood precedence for this type of addition, and
that it would add value to the area.
Dr. Rick Chavez, 3332 Deluna, also spoke in support of the
application, stating it would add value to and beautify the
neighborhood.
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Maurice Keller, 3139 Dianora, objected to the proposed
addition on the basis of cumulative impact.
C. L. Wetzel, 3237 Deluna, also objected to the application
based on the staff recommendations, especially the "boxy"
design and direct garage access, as well as a potential
cumulative impact.
Sheila Wetzel, 3237 Deluna, objected to the variance on the
grounds of potential cumulative impact.
Margaret Compher, 3212 Dianora, spoke in opposition to the
application, also citing potential cumulative impact.
Barbara Kennard, 3402 Deluna, spoke against the variance,
citing lack of neighborhood compatibility, and felt the
cumulative impact would be negative.
Edward Johnson, 3320 Deluna, objected to the project, and
presented a signed petition to that effect.
The public hearing was closed, but then reopened to allow the
applicant a rebuttal.
Alan Greenberg, 3348 Corinna, stated that his addition was
not a huge structure, and that none of the speakers even
lived on his street, nor were any of them in need of a larger
house to accommodate a growing family. Mr. Greenberg noted
that his immediate neighbors approved of the plans, and that
he felt they were in conformance with the neighborhood.
The public hearing was then closed.
Commissioner Hotchkiss stated he liked the project but had
trouble making the findings.
Commissioner Von Hagen stated he could not find any
exceptional circumstances to warrant the variance, and could
not support it because it was contrary to the open space
policy of the general plan.
Commissioner Katherman also stated he could not find for
exceptional circumstances, and felt there was potential
cumulative impact. Mr. Katherman also felt the direct garage
access was a problem, but he could support building up to the
setback.
Chairman McNulty stated that he was not happy with the direct
access garage, and that he could not make the findings to
approve the variance with the heavy lot coverage.
Commissioner Von Hagen moved to deny the variance,
Commissioner Hotchkiss seconded, and the motion passed 4-0
with Commissioner Brooks abstaining.
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E. CODE AMENDMENT 29 Planning Administrator Curtis
REVIEW -- FENCES Williams presented the staff
WALLS AND HEDGES report regarding the
recommendation to direct staff
to incorporate minor language changes into the Consultant
revision to the Development Code. The public hearing was
opened.
Richard Motz, 32413 Searaven Dr., objected to the 5% slope
exemption, asked for clarification on some points, and
suggested that when a reconstruction is done, that all walls
be required to be brought into conformance.
The public hearing was closed.
Mr. Williams stated that the City Council had suggested that
the 5% exemption was important to prevent the Environmental
Services Department from having to look at every application,
and that the Council had suggested it be reviewed for
effectiveness after it had been in place for a while.
Chairman McNulty moved to accept the staff recommendation
with no changes, Commissioner Von Hagen seconded, and the
motion passed 5-0.
NEW BUSINESS
Due to the late hour, the new business was not heard.
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
There were no questions from the audience.
STAFF REPORTS
Director Benard presented the Commission with copies of the
supplemental EIR for grading for the Forrestal tract, as well
as a copy of a letter from the Monaghan Company offering a
tour of the site prior to the December 11 meeting.
Mr. Benard suggested that a quorum attend.
Mr. Williams presented a memo regarding the January 14 and 28
meetings and asked if Ladera Linda was an acceptable
location, and the Commission agreed.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 11:45pm
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