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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MARCH 12, 1990
The meeting was called to order at 7:38pm by Chairman Von
Hagen at Hesse Community Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT Von Hagen, McNulty, Hotchkiss, Brooks,
Katherman
ABSENT None
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Robert
Benard, Planning Administrator Curtis Williams, and Assistant
Planners Fabio de Freitas and Donna Jerex.
Chairman Von Hagen welcomed Commissioner Brooks back from her
leave of absence.
COMMUNICATIONS
Chairman Von Hagen acknowledged letters from Dimension Cable
in support of the Long Point project, and from Mrs. Pocapalia
regarding CUP 161. Commissioner Brooks stated she had
received a copy of a sample form letter endorsing the
Monaghan project.
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Minutes of February 12, 1990 -- Chairman Von Hagen asked
that a correction be added to his statements regarding the
Kajima project.
B. P. C. Resolution No. 91-_, Height Variation No. 700,
Minor Exception Permit No. 403 -- Appeal.
On the motion of Commissioner McNulty, with a second from
Commissioner Katherman, the Consent Calendar was approved
with Commissioner Brooks abstaining and Commissioner
Katherman abstaining from voting on Item "B".
PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. HEIGHT VARIATION NO. Assistant Planner Fabio de
663 -- APPEAL Freitas presented the staff
4714 Browndeer Lane report regarding the appellant's
request to overturn the
Director's denial of a first and second story addition.
Staff's recommendation is to uphold the Director's decision.
Mr. de Freitas also corrected the total square footage of the
driveway and total project, noting that it kept the project
within the open space requirements.
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In regards to the staff statement that the final project
would be larger than most homes in the neighborhood,
Commissioner Brooks and Commissioner Hotchkiss both stated
they disagreed with the staff assessment that the final
project would be too large for the neighborhood.
Eleonora Witteles, 4714 Browndeer Lane, appellant, asked the
Commission to uphold her appeal, stating she needed to
enlarge the small bedrooms and enclose the pool for health
reasons. She also claimed that the size of the final project
would be compatible with the rest of the neighborhood.
Commissioner Brooks asked if she would be willing to change
the side garage wall to bring it in farther from the setback,
and the appellant replied that she would but it would not
look as good aesthetically.
David Johnson, 4737 Artesia Blvd., Lawndale, architect,
explained how he had designed the project to fit in with the
neighborhood.
John Early, 1435 Beacon St., San Pedro, contractor, asked the
Commission to uphold the appeal.
The public hearing was closed. Commissioner Katherman agreed
that the size of the project was not a problem and that the
design was good, but that there was a concern with the side
setback, and he suggested the appellant move the side wall at
least one foot expanding the sideyard setback to six feet.
Commissioner Brooks stated she had visited the site and also
felt the proposed project size was compatible with the area,
but echoed Mr. Katherman's concerns about the side setback,
and suggested again that the sideyard be expanded.
Commissioner Hotchkiss stated he had no problems with the
project as it stood, even regarding the side setback, and
felt it would be compatible with the neighborhood.
Commissioner McNulty agreed with staff that the proposed
addition would make the house too large for the area,
especially since it was on a corner lot and very visible.
Chairman Von Hagen stated he felt the applicant had made an
effort to conform, but that the addition would make the house
too large for the substandard size lot.
Commissioner Brooks moved to uphold the appeal, adding a
requirement that there be an 8' sideyard setback on the south
side. Commissioner Katherman seconded the motion, which
failed 2-3, with Commissioners McNulty, Hotchkiss and
Chairman Von Hagen dissenting.
Commissioner Katherman moved to uphold the appeal, adding a
condition that the south sideyard setback be 61. Commissioner
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Brooks seconded the motion, which failed 2-3, with
Commissioners McNulty, Hotchkiss and Chairman Von Hagen
dissenting.
Commissioner Hotchkiss moved to adopt staff alternative #1,
to approve the applicant's appeal, thereby overturning the
Director's decision, thus approving the Height Variation
request. Commissioner Katherman seconded the motion, which
passed 3-2, with Commissioner McNulty and Chairman Von Hagen
dissenting.
RECESS & RECONVENE A five-minute break was called
at 8:30pm.
B. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT Commissioner Katherman stated
NO. 161, ENVIRONMENTAL that he would not be
ASSESSMENT NO. 617 participating in voting on this
18 Rockinghorse Rd. issue, since he was the
applicant.
Planning Administrator Curtis Williams presented the staff
report regarding the applicant's request to allow the
continued use of a guest house as a second residential unit
on a single-family residential lot. Mr. Williams also noted
that it was possible the City could get State credit for low-
income housing with this rental unit. Staff's recommendation
is to approve the request with conditions.
In response to the Commission's queries, Director Benard
explained that the State could take steps to force the City
to fulfill low-income housing requirements, such as
withholding City authority to issue permits, or making
density changes in zoning. Chairman Von Hagen asked if on
this application, a case could be made for a non -conforming
prior use, and Mr. Williams replied that the unit had been in
existence prior to incorporation, but that there was no
evidence the use was the same.
Robert Katherman, 18 Rockinghorse Rd., applicant, stated he
was speaking as a private citizen, and noted this was a land
use issue. He also stated he was not interested in creating
a rental property or low-income unit, but was trying to
legalize a pre-existing situation. Mr. Katherman stated he
would not be renting to anyone but family members that might
or might not be low-income or seniors, because he did not
wish to devalue the property, but that he would look into
legalizing the use through a parcel map process if necessary.
The applicant also said he did not feel this was precedent -
setting, because every application before the Commission was
individually viewed and discussed. Mr. Katherman also stated
he would not be in favor of the possible lot split because
the setback requirements would force partial or total
demolition of one or both of the structures on the lot. He
also noted he planned to upgrade the small unit in
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appearance. Regarding the conditions
Katherman stated he was in agreement
with slightly modified language.
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of approval, Mr.
with all but #1 and #3
In response to a question from Commissioner McNulty, Mr.
Williams stated that the City had never passed a second -unit
ordinance, and therefore state law and housing guidelines
were used as interpretive criteria in this case. Mr. McNulty
pointed out that those guidelines limited second -unit housing
to 640 sq.ft., and since this unit was 800 sq.ft., it was not
legal according to the State, and that he believed the City
did not have a right to circumvent this law, since there was
not an existing City ordinance in place. Director Benard
said he interpreted the State law as being more discretionary
in this regard.
Chairman Von Hagen asked staff if the condition requiring
that a family member rent the unit would invalidate the
opportunity for the City to claim the unit as part of the
Housing Element, and Mr. Williams replied that a regular
report to the City regarding the renter would have to be
made, and that some credit from the State was likely
Barbara Wallace, 2 Coach Road, spoke against the application,
stating she and her neighbors felt this was more of a zoning
question, and asked that the vote be postponed so more people
could be notified.
Char Gallio, 2809 Via E1 Miro, read her letter in opposition
to the application on the grounds that it was contrary to the
General Plan and State law, and would set a bad precedent.
Chairman Von Hagen took a moment to note the well -noticed
but ill -attended hearings on the Housing Element, and asked
why a resident with a bona fide request should have to wait
to get an answer so that the issue could be discussed
further, although Commissioner Brooks suggested a continuance
to allow more of a public hearing.
Edwin Watkins, 26 Rockinghorse Rd., stated his opposition to
the application, agreeing with the previous speakers.
Robert Katherman, 18 Rockinghorse Rd., stated he had no
objection to the suggested continuance, and would welcome the
chance to have the entire City address the various issues in
question.
Commissioner Brooks moved to continue the item. Commissioner
Hotchkiss reiterated that there have already been public
hearings on the Housing Element, and that this was an
existing structure and not precedent -setting, and
Commissioner Brooks said she felt this was a test of the
Housing Element. Chairman Von Hagen seconded Mrs. Brooks'
motion to continue, but stated he would have preferred to
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vote on the issue instead. Commissioners Hotchkiss and
McNulty also stated they were prepared to vote on the
application, and Mr. McNulty pointed out that the Housing
Element was never intended to provide an avenue for making
money off of single family residences, but was rather a
structured program of using multiple units in vacant areas to
fulfill State requirements. He also stated this was a rental
property in a residential area, that this was a zoning
question, and should be a lot split. The question was called
to continue the item to the April 9 meeting, and the motion
passed 3-1, with Commissioner Hotchkiss dissenting.
RECESS & RECONVENE A ten-minute break was called at
10:15pm.
C. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT On the suggestion of Director
NO. 130 -- REV "B" Benard, the Commission moved to
A&H Associates receive and file a letter of
Tract 45667 withdrawal from the applicant.
NEW BUSINESS
A. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT Assistant Planner Donna Jerex
NO. 23 -- REV -TT-, presented the staff report
GRADING NO. 1518 regarding the applicant's
3432 Palo Vista Drive. request to revise the footprint
and development specified in the
CUP. Staff's recommendation is to conditionally approve the
project, provided the applicant redesign to meet the
development standards with regard to height for sloping lots.
Director Benard noted that this was the first time the
sloping lot provision of Proposition "M" had been applied.
Bruce Krause, 777 Silver Spur Rd., RHE, architect, explained
how the project had been designed to accommodate the slope of
the project, and stated that they would prefer to use slab
flooring to reduce the amount of grading rather than
eliminate the floor area.
Commissioner Hotchkiss asked staff if this was a grading
issue, and Director Benard replied that the grading quantity
was acceptable under the guidelines, but that the height was
an issue in conjunction with the stepped foundation.
Commissioner Brooks stated she had no problem with the
project as proposed since the difference was invisible
underneath the project, and she also felt the guidelines were
unclear in this regard.
Commissioner Katherman stated he felt there was no problem
with the project since he felt it satisfied the intent of the
height limitations, and that it was a grading issue rather
than a height issue, with no difference in appearance.
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Chairman Von Hagen noted that since the intent of the cut was
to set ridgeline cap limitations in accordance with
Proposition "M", it should be enforced.
Commissioner Katherman moved to approve the project as
proposed, with a change from a wood floor to slab and the
resultant reduction of export material by 300 cu.yds.
Commissioner Brooks seconded the motion. Commissioner
McNulty suggested that none of the grading material be
exported but rather re -graded onto the property. The
applicant's representative stated that would be done to the
best of their ability, but that 350-380 yards would still
need to be exported. The motion on the floor passed
unanimously.
AUDIENCE QUESTIONS There were no audience questions.
STAFF REPORTS
Director Benard stated that Planning Administrator Curtis
Williams was leaving the City to take a post as Director of
Planning and Building for the Town of Woodside in Northern
California. Chairman Von Hagen and the Commission expressed
their regrets at the news, stating they had enjoyed working
with Mr. Williams, who they felt demonstrated a high degree
of professionalism, and felt it was a loss to the staff, but
wished him well in his new venture.
COMMISSION REPORTS
Commissioner Brooks expressed interest in participating in
the Development Code Subcommittee, or in attending the
meetings. Director Benard stated that these meetings were
subcommittee meetings and only two Commissioners could attend
or a quorum would be present and the meetings would require
public noticing. Commissioner McNulty stated that
information and actions taken would be conveyed to the other
Commissioners.
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The meeting was adjourned at 11:02pm to the March 18 meeting
at Ladera Linda.
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