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AUGUST 23g, 198$
The meeting was called to order at 7:36 p.m. by Chairman onnolly
at Hesse Park Community Building, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT: Ortolano, Von Hagen, Connolly, McNulty, Nike
ABSENT: None
Also present were
Director of Environmental Services Robert
Benard, Associate
Planner Carolynn Petru, Associate Planner Ben
Ortega and Assistant Planner Laurie Brigham.
COMMUNICATIONS
Chairman Connolly reported that he had
received a number of communications
which would be addressed at the time the
agenda items were heard.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Commissioner Nike requested that Page 3,
Paragraph 2 be changed to read:
"Commissioner Nike reported that she
lived in the Mesa Verde Tract and
belonged to the Homeowners Association
and received written advisement by the
City Attorney that she could participate
in the discussions."
PUBLIC HEARINGS Associate Planner Carolynn Petru
presented the Staff Report and noted
Environmental Assess- that due to the amount of public
ment No. 556 and EIR input received and the types of
No. 27. Marriott Corp. issues raised at the July 12, 1988
CrestridgelCrenshaw Public Hearing, the public review
period was extended to August 23,
1988.
Ms. Petru also reported that the Staff recommended that the
Commission accept any additional public comment, then close the
public review period on the Draft Environmental Impact Report and
forward all comments to the consultant for response and inclusion
in the final Envirommntal Impact Report.
Commissioner Ortolano reported that she had not yet had an
opportunity to review the Mesa Palos Verdes report and
recommended continuance of the public review period.
Director of Environmental Services Benard reviewed the purpose of
the public hearing and reported that the California Environmental
Quality Act requires that the public review period for an
Enviromental Impact Report be not less than 30 days and not more
than 90 days, except in unusual circumstances. The maximum and
minimum review periods are extended in order to allow the public
to respond to the Environmental Impact Report, while allowing the
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Page Two
applicants and the public to proceed expeditiously in reaching a
decision on the project.
Mr. Benard noted that if the public review period is closed,
there would still exist -the opportunity for the public to be
involved in the project other than to determine the adequacy of
the EIR.
Chairman Connolly thanked the following people in recognition of
their input on behalf of the public: Anthony Segr eta, Bob
Rockoff, Michael Riccio, Daniel Blatt, John Arand. Chairman
Connolly also said that he was not in favor of extending the
public hearing, particularly since the EIR was still a draft
document.
Commissioner Von Hagen agreed that the public review period
should not be extended.
Chairman Connolly opened the public hearing.
Lee Argubright, 2289 Sparta Drive, represented the Board of
Deacons at Peninsula Baptist Church, and summarized the contents
of a letter he had sent to the Commission on August 9, 1988,
outlining the Church's position regarding the project. Mr.
Argubright reported that the Church was not in opposition to the
entire project, but requested that view impact analyses be
conducted and the safety of the pre-school children be
considered, particularly in the grading phase of the project.
The Church has also requested that the City minimize the negative
effects by limiting the hours and days of construction.
Commissioner Ortolano requested that Mr. Argubright forward to
the Commission an outline of the pre-school's hours and the
number of students attending so this information can be
incorporated into the EIR.
John Arand, 5731 Mistridge, represented the Mesa Palos Verdes
Homeowners Association, and expressed his support of Commissioner
Ortolano's proposal to extend the public review period.
Daniel Blatt, 29225 Stonecrest Road, noted that the proposed
project presented no benefit to the community. It was his
opinion that the traffic surveys were faulty and incomplete, and
that traffic on Palos Verdes Drive North would be impacted
negatively by the project. He also added that the EIR does not
take into account air quality and swelling of the soil that is
scheduled to be removed from the property.
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Anthony Segreto, 5677 Mistridge Drive, also respresenting Mesa
Palos Verdes Homeowners Association, questioned the competence of
the independent consultants, and recommended that the Draft EIR
be rejected on the basis of "inconsistencies, biasness and wrong
assumptions." Mr. Segreto also compared the Marriott project to
the Canterbury Development project and asked that the
.demographics associated with a luxury facility be considered. He
noted that the EIR does not address issues of air quality,
structural integrity and sewers.
Warren Sweetham, 7 Top Rail Lane, presented copies of a letter
which expressses the Rancho Palos Verdes Homeowners Association's
concerns about the project.
Franklin Weiss, 30711 Via La Cresta, referred to the Marriott's
response to Congregation Ner Tamid's concerns and reported that
the Marriott had agreed to many of the Synagogue's proposals, in-
cluding: mitigation of view impacts; scheduling trash pickups so
as not to interfere with Synagogue functions; adequate landscaping;
public meetings will not be scheduled in the community center; 24-
hour security guard; not supporting a horse trail along the west
property line; reasonable visiting hours; Monday to Friday construc-
tion and flexibility on inside construction; the property should be
fenced but not gated.
Ed Novak, Marriott Drive, Washington, D.C., announced that he under-
stood the purpose of the public hearing, and said he was available
to answer questions from the Commission or the public, if needed,
but he did not have a prepared statement.
Karen Savich, 27135 Shorewood, discussed the impact of increased
traffic on Ridgecrest School, and noted her support for an equestrian
trail.
Sunshine, 6 Limetree Lane, presented the Peninsula Horsemans
Association's opinions on the proposed trails, including the
trails from the mid -block crossing on Crestridge and a westerly
public access to the open spaces and vista sites. The Association
also felt that the project would reduce recreational opportunities.
Arlan Osborne, 6343 Villa Rosa Drive, urged that the trails be pre-
served.
Michele Kenney, 26 Sweetbay Road, representing Mr. and Mrs. Brown
of Broadacres Pre -School, also asked for preservation of the trails.
Director of Environmental Services Benard addressed Commissioner
Ortolano's inquiry about the application to split the property by
discussing zoning for the property and said that an analysis of
the development potential for Parcel 3 is being conducted and a
recommendation will be made to the Commission.
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Commission Wike requested that the EIR address access to the property
from Crestridge and Crenshaw.
Commissioner Ortolano withdrew her recommendation to continue the
public hearing.
Motion was made by Commissioner McNulty and seconded by Commissioner
Von Hagen to close the public hearing. Motion passed 4 to 1. Com-
missioner Wike dissented.
Chairman Connolly asked that Staff explore the possibility of leaving
Parcel 3 as open space.
Director of Environmental Services Benard addressed the consultant's
obligations with regard to responding to the comments made, and said
that subsequent to final action on the EIR, public hearings will
be held on the Conditional Use Permit. Mr. Benard also addressed
the method of notification to all concerned about the availability
of the EIR.
A recess was taken from 9:10 p.m. to 9:20 p.m.
Draft EIR No. 28
Tentative Tract Map No.
45667
Grading No. 1061
CUP No. 130
Watt Palos Verdes Inc.
6500 Block of Palos Verdes
Drive South
Commissioner Von Hagen excused himself
from discussion on this item for his
previously stated conflict at 9:21 p.m.
Director of Environmental Services
Benard announced that Commissioner
Von Hagen is not required to repeat
the position statement each time the
Watt issue is addressed.
Chairman Connolly reported that he had received the following corres-
pondence: (1) Letter from Susan Robinson referencing Commissioner
Von Hagen (2) Letter from Watt Palos Verdes referencing Robert
Stone & Associates (3) Staff's response to Watt Palos Verdes
(4) Letter from Franklin Weiss.
Associate Planner Ben Ortega presented the Staff Report and noted
the Staff recommendation to continue the public hearings to September
13, 1988, at which time the Final EIR will be presented to the
Commission concurrently with draft conditions of the Tentative
Tract, Conditional Use Permit and Grading applications.
Chairman Connolly opened the public hearing.
Sunshine, 6 Limetree Lane, clarified the Trails Committee's
recommendation to specify design standards and designated usage
for their recommended trail locations. She added that the Trails
Committee will also try to arrive at clearly defined standards for
the multipurpose trails.
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Questions were raised by the Commission with regard to scarring
of the terrain by the proposed fire road, the implications of dedicating
the foot path to the community rather than to the City, and about
Motion #2 in the August 11, 1988 Trails Committee meeting minutes.
Commissioner Wike requested statistics on trail easements and on
the number of Rancho Palos Verdes residents who are viable horsemen.
Sunshine concluded her statement by stating that the City Council
has officially endorsed the loop trail concept.
Larry Schmidt, 3330 Palos Verdes Drive West, representing Watt Palos
Verdes, Inc., commented on the Staff Report and on the Trails Committee
suggestions, and stressed that Watt Palos Verdes is not proposing
any geotechnical alternatives.
Director of Environmental Services Benard clarified the Staff request
for an alternate configuration and cross-section of the ravine area
without the proposed lot intrusion.
Greg Axten, 25202 Crenshaw Boulevard, representing American Geo-
technical, said he was confused with the Staff request for an
alternative to the cross-sections; it was his opinion that the filling
was sufficiently appropriate to address the geotechnical questions.
With regard to trails, he discussed the negative aesthetic impact
of the plan as proposed.
Art Keene, 2601 East Victoria, noted his concurrence with Mr. Axten's
analysis, and added that this project does not represent a major
tract development.
Tim Burrell, 4038 Exultant Drive, announced his availability to
answer any questions, if needed.
Don Loynd, 2601 East Victoria, representing Monaco Properties, expressed
various concerns, including: (1) Adequacy of the grading plan
(2) The length of the EIR process (3) The requirement for additional
geotechnical analyses.
Emily Cramer, 1590 S. Coast Highway, representing Richard Price
& Associates, announced her availability to answer questions on
landscaping, if needed.
Philip Robinson, 3205 Barkentine Road, representing Abalone Cove
Homeowners, thanked the developers for providing for paleontologists,
for proposing fire -retardant roof tiles, and for their commitment
to revegetation. He noted the problems associated with policing
trails, and asked for careful review of the Sheriff Department report
on traffic. Mr. Robinson then briefly addressed grading, hauling
and traffic density in general.
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Franklin Weiss, 30711 Via La Cresta, summarized his written comments,
which included his opposition to the development and his suggestion
to scale down the project.
William Totliffe, 6347 Tarragon Road, said that the project was
not in keeping with the general plan of the Peninsula and would
destroy the area's topography and natural terraces. He presented
several recommendations, including elimination of the sites proposed
for the canyons; increase the lot sizes; reduce the sharp distances
in levels; increase the variety of house styles; cluster the
development.
Hamilton Stanford, 32859 Seagate Drive, representing Palos Verdes
Bay Club, expressed concern about the negative impacts of dust and
dirt, construction nose, traffic congestion, landslides and floods.
Don Handelsman, 32646 Coast Site Drive, representing Palos Verdes
Bay Club, addressed the EIR relative to the traffic count on Palos
Verdes Drive South, and also asked that the Sheriff Department's
recommendation be taken into consideration.
Thomas Hause, 161 West Oak Knoll Avenue, representing the Salvation
Army, noted that the Salvation Army has no objections to the project
as long as the guidelines of the EIR are met. They were, however,
opposed to trails going up the canyons and to easements for trails
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, expressed her opposition to the
project and displeasure with the makeup of the Commission. She
presented maps showing the acreages that cannot be developed.
Sunshine then presented the Peninsula Horsemans Association's official
position in response to the EIR. Chairman Connolly noted that this
will be placed in the record and will become part of the project
file.
Notion was made by Commissioner McNulty and seconded by Commissioner
Ortolano to close the discussion on Draft EIR No. 28 and continue
the public hearing to September 13, 1988 as proposed by Staff. Motion
unanimously passed.
In the discussion that followed, Associate Planner Ortega clarified
issues of acreage and density as proposed by the developers, for
Commissioner Ortolano's benefit.
Commissioner Wike inquired of Staff whether the number of lots could
be reduced, and noted her concern about security on the North and
South trail that would intersect the property.
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Commissioner McNulty said he had no objections to the canyons being
filled in as a result of the project, nor did he object to the proposed
density.
Chairman Connolly noted that he was in agreement with the cluster
concept, and would like a decrease in the amount of grading.
Commissioner Wike discussed the trails issue in general, and requested
more analysis on maintenance and custody of the trails.
Mr. Schmidt again addressed the Commission, and expressed concern
about communication within the City departments, and addressed lot
sizes, trail easements and hauling of dirt.
Director of Public Works George Wentz briefly commented on guidelines
for street grades.
Commissioner Von Hagen returned to the meeting at 11:32 p.m.
NEW BUSINESS
Site Plan Review No. 3936 Associate Planner Ortega presented
2175 Rockinghorse the Staff Report and noted that Staff's
primary concern with the existing
satellite dish is its extreme visi-
bility from adjoining properties,
particularly as viewed from 2177
Rockinghorse and 2144 Toscanini Drive.
Based upon a site visit, Staff believes that the applicant's evidence
presented at this time does not substantiate a decision to permit a
rqof mounted satellite dish antenna on the property.
Stefano/Josephine Finazzo, applicants, presented the Commission with
a letter from Tony Perozzi of Tony's TV Sales and Service which
explained why the satellite dish was located in what Mr. Perozzi
determined to be the only technically feasible site on the property.
Mr. Finazzo also asked the Commission's opinion about construction
of a fence which would shield the antenna from the neighbors who
are offended by it.
Commissioner Ortolano requested a technical analysis on all the alter-
nate sites proposed.
Commissioner Wike said another alternative would be an analysis of
whether to place the antenna along the steep slope on the property.
Gilbert Alberio, 2177 Rockinghorse Road, presented photographs to
the Commission of the offending view, and discussed alternate locations
on Mr. Finazzo's property where the antenna could be located.
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Carmen Alberio, 2177 Rockinghorse Road, asked the Commission's opinion
about contracting an expert to conduct an analysis on the Finazzo
property.
Notion was made by Commissioner McNulty and seconded by Commissioner
Wike to continue this item to September 27, 1988, directing the
property owner to obtain an analysis from a second satellite
technician determining if any ground mounted locations exist in the
rear yard. motion unanimously passed.
Conditional Use Permit No. 23
Revision "CC"
Grading Application No. 1149
The Staff Report was waived on
this item.
Robert Kessel, 260 S. Lake Avenue, Pasadena, architect and consultant,
said he was confused by the Staff's interpretation of the Code as it
relates to retaining walls. Mr. Kessel emphasized that the wall in
question is not a retaining wall.
Fred Kermani, 423 South Pacific Coast Highway, Redondo Beach, said
that the wall was designed in compliance with the guidelines of the
Development Code.
Notion was made by Commissioner Wike and seconded by Commissioner
Ortolano to approve Staff Recommendation No. 2.
Motion withdrawn by Commissioner Wike and restated to approve Staff
Alternative No. 3 which states:
Approve the subject application subject to the following conditions:
A. All retaining walls shall be brought into conformance with the
Development code as follows: (1) The driveway retaining wall
shall be no higher than 5 feet; (2) Only one downslope retaining
wall and the sideyard retaining wall shall not exceed 3 1/2
feet; and (3) all other downslope walls shall be less than 3
feet.
B. The applicant shall submit an on-site drainage plan acceptable
to the Department of Public Works.
C. Prior to issuance of building permits, the applicant shall have
approved a landscape and irrigation plan by the Director of
Environmental Services and in conformance with the Seacliff
Hills development Guidelines.
D. Prior to a building occupancy, the owner shall record a deed
restriction disallowing the conversion of any space to create
a kitchen for a second dwelling.
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Restated notion seconded by Commissioner Ortolan and unanimously
passed.
Specific Plan VI. The introductory presentation on
VMS this item was deferred to the next
Portion of Coastal meeting due to the lateness of the
Subregion One hour.
Discussion followed regarding formal process of communication between
the Trails Committee and the Planning Commission; the wall on Palos
Verdes Drive South and Forrestal; late construction by ES Development
Co.; lot coverage moratorium.
ADJOURNMENT The meeting was duly adjourned at
12:47 a.m. to August 30, 1988,
6:30 p.m., Fred Hesse Community Park
for Work Session with City Council,
Planning Commission and other City
committees.