PC MINS 19870609M I N U T E S
PLANNING COMMISSION
June 9, 1987
The meeting was called to order at 7:35 PM by Chairperson Ortolano at 29301
Hawthorne Boulevard.
PRESENT: CONNOLLY, MC NULTY, ORTOLANO, VON HAGEN, WIKE
ABSENT: NONE
Also present were Director of Environmental Services Robert Benard, Associate
Planner Steve Rubin, Assistant Planner Laurie Brigham and Assistant Planner
Carolynn Wilker.
COMMUNICATIONS
Chairperson Ortolano indicated that communications would be related during
discussion of corresponding items.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Minutes of May 12, 1987
PUBLIC HEARINGS - CONTINUED
Variance No. 157
Carol Lynn Southworth and
Olin H. Williford
1861 Homeworth Drive
Commissioner Wike moved approval of the
May 12, 1987 minutes as written; seconded
by Commissioner McNulty and passed
unanimously.
Director of Environmental Services
Benard noted that a continuance of the
item to June 23, 1987 would be appropriate
in order to properly notice the new variance
(which will be considered in conjunction
with Variance No. 157.
The _public -hearing-,, was --_opened r
--there wee'fio- requests to 9pea_k to _t bet -
item..-
Commissioner Wike moved to continue the public hearing until June 23,__1987;
seconded by Commissioner Connolly and passed unanimously.
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June 9, 1987
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CUP No. 23, Revision "0" Assistant Planner Laurie Brigham presented
Variance No. 155 and the staff report.
Grading No. 991 Coffin
and Allewaert, 32415 Aqua Vista Staff related that the Building Code requires
a railing above a retaining wall where the
retaining wall exceeds 30 inches, and that a Minor Exception Permit could address
the issue of the setback for the proposed retaining wall adjacent to the driveway,
should it be necessary.
Chairperson Ortolano requested information regarding the City's policy relevant
to the creation of lots with extreme slopes. She discussed the extreme slope
of the lot and noted that the lot was created after the City was incorporated.
Director of Environmental Services Benard indicated that the subject lot is
unique and that it is not a current City practice to create lots with such
extreme slopes.
Staff discupsed the extreme slopes in the area and noted that the applicant's
lot is unique because the extreme slope was created when -adjacent homes were
--constructed on both sides of the lot.
Commissioner Wike stressed the importance of preventing dumping on lots.
She said Building and Safety should be monitoring the development of lots in
order to control illegal dumping and the developer who created the situation
should be made to correct it.
Staff related the City's dumping requirements and stressed the difficulty
of preventing illegal dumping.
-There w6re'ii-o requests- to speakto item:,
Commissioner McNulty moved approval of the staff recommendation; seconded by
Commissioner Von Hagen.
Commissioner Wike voiced concern over the height of the proposed tower. She
emphasized that the Code requirements should be upheld. She suggested that
the approval should be conditioned to specifically state that there shall be
no further reduction in the open space (as included in the Seacliff Hills
Guidelines).
Chairperson Ortolano noted that the lot is an uphill slope so ne'residential
view would be impacted by the prd-posed construction.
Staff pointed that the applicable resolution includes that any further reduction
in open space would require a Conditional Use Permit Revision which -would come -
before the Commission.
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June 9, 1987
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The motion was passed by a majority vote with Commissioner Wike dissenting.
Appeal rights were noted.
PUBLIC HEARINGS - NEW
CUP No. 118, Variance No. 161, Associate Planner Steve Rubin presented
Grading No. 1005, E A No. 514 the staff report and noted a modification
and CUP No. 97 -Extension to Page 4 to read, "4. Same as No. 3
Dennis V. Wehmueller and above...".
St. Paul's Lutheran Church
31290 Palos Verdes Drive West With regard to simultaneous use, staff
related that the Sunday school would
not generate any additional parking problems and could, therefore, be conducted
concurrently with the Church services. Staff suggested that an approval of
the request should be conditioned to include that concurrent activities shall
not occur.
Commissioner Von Hagen discussed possible problems related to emergency vehicle
access for the Villa Capri condominium project.
Staff indicated that the proposed parking would notinterferewith the access of
emergency vehicles for the Villa Capri condominiums which will i-pclude-a- crash gate
for emergency vehicle access.
Staff clarified that 79 parking spaces (assuming no simultaneous use) would be
required for a seating capacity of 237, as determined by the applicant. However,
staff suggested that theFireDepartment should research and post the legal seating
capacity.
Chairperson Ortolano discussed the previous approval for an addition to the Church
in 1981.
Staff noted that the Conditions pertaining to the previously approved design
were referenced during the formulation of the recommended Conditions. In
addition, staff discussed various features of the previously approved design
which was physically attached to the existing building.
Commissioner Wike voiced concern that staff did not discuss alternate designs
with the applicant in an effort to avoid the Variance for the 15 foot sideyard
setback.
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June 9, 1987
Page 4
Similarly, Chairperson Ortolano voiced concern that no alternate designs were
discussed with the applicant. She noted Mayor Hughes' opinion that it is
appropriate for staff to discuss alternate designs with applicants in order
to avoid Variances.
Chairperson Ortolano discussed the possibility of view impairment resulting
from any equipment which might be placed on the roof.
Staff said the proposed structure has a peaked roof which would not accommodate
rooftop equipment.
Chairperson Ortolano opened the public hearing.
Those supporting the request were:
Mr.
Bruno Boval
6972 Verde Ridge
Church Council Building Coordinator
Mr.
Joseph Picarelli
30311 Via Borica
Church Council President
Mr.
Wayne Pfannfuch
26735 Shadow Wood
Church Council Member and Sunday
School Teacher
Mr.
Dennis Wehmueller
11718 W. Pico
Applicant and Architect
Los Angeles, 90064
Those supporting the request discussed: the Church has no intention of merging
with or taking over any other congregations; rapidly escalating interest rates
prevented building the structure which was approved in 1981; a separate building
is desired for security reasons; staff's suggestion of a reciprocal parking
agreement with the Golden Cove Shopping Center; concern over paving the adjacent
parking area which is a permanent easement; concern over funding a Class II
Bikepath along PV Drive West; willingness to provide the City with a copy of
the Church's monthly calendar; concern over the specificity of Condition No. 7
to Exhibit "A"; the intended use of the proposed facility; the Church pastor
does not live on the site; the growth patterns of the congregation which is
currently composed of 250 members; difficulties related to expansion in an
upward direction; a design formulated to accommodate the topography of the site;
parking; and a total of approximately 170 people attend the Church's two Sunday
services.
Chairperson Ortolano clarified that, if necessary, a reciprocal parking
easement with the Golden Cove Shopping Center could be a contractual agreement.
She pointed out that developers of institutions (including residential develop-
ments) are required to make some developmental improvements to the City. She
explained that a copy of the Church calendar is proposed to monitor the simul-
taneous use of the sanctuary and not to monitor the type of activities scheduled.
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June 9, 1987
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Staff noted that Condition No. 7 to Exhibit "A", which addresses the simultaneous
use of the sanctuary, was not meant to be totally exclusive.
Commissioner McNulty discussed staff's recommendation that the City should
consider the site developed to its maximum potential, should an approval be
granted.
Staff clarified that any additional expansion in an upward direction was not
considered due to the possible impairment of views from the Villa Capri
condominiums.
Mr. Stanley Mosler, 2013 Via Cerritos, Palos Verdes Estates, representing the
developers of the Villa Capri condominium project whoopposethe request, discussed:
that the plans should be in better conformance with the Code; concern over
parking problems; concern over the proposed 15 foot sideyard setback; the
importance of paving and striping the gravel parking area; and the possibility
of the Church funding the storm drain.
Commissioner Von Hagen stated his understanding that the storm drain is to
benefit all the properties in the area
Chairperson Ortolano related her understanding that the storm drain is to
service the water being carried off of the Villa Capri condominium site.
Staff clarified that the- storm drain is to accommodate the runoff from the Villa Capri
condominiums eChd the - Sunset Ridge deVelopment, on Hawtho-rne across from Villa Capri.
Commissioner Von Hagen discussed the zoning of the property. He questioned
whether the Code includes a provision requiring that an Institutional or
Commercial parking lot be paved.
Staff said the proposed site is zoned Institutional, the parking easement area
is zoned Commercial, and any paved parking requirement in the Code would not
address specific zones.
Director of Environmental Services Benard pointed out that a paved parking area
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would provide a clear delineation of parking spaces and would offer maximum
parking.
Chairperson Ortolano summarized the issues that the Commission should discusQ
in terms of resolving the application. She requested Commission input regarding:
the building design; the relationship of seating to parking; the idea of paving
the gravel parking area; simultaneous use; a Church calendar of events; parking
in relationship to the Villa Capri condordiniums;--afid the storm drain.
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June 9, 1987
Page 6
Commissioner Von Hagen stated his opinion that the Church parking should be
adequate so that it will not impact the Villa Capri iiondominiums. He noted that
the proposed 15 foot sideyard setback will allow for additional parking spaces.
He indicated his preference that the gravel parking area be paved and requested
information regarding what effect that would have on water runoff.
Commissioner Connolly related his opinion that the gravel parking area should
be paved to achieve maximum parking. He said the seating capacity should be
addressed by staff, the Fire Department, and the applicant. He voiced concern
over the proposed 15 foot sideyard setback. He requested staff provide additional
information regarding the storm drain. He suggested that it would be appropriate
to determine whether the proposed facility would affect the storm drain require-
ments as imposed on the developers of the Villa Capri condominiums.
Commissioner McNulty referred to the applicant's stated need for permanent
classrooms and noted that the proposed walls are removable partitions. He
voiced concern over any multiciplicity of use from a parking standpoint and
stated that paving the gravel parking area would provide maximum parking.
He pointed out that it will be possible to drive onto the Villa Capri condominium
property and walk onto the Church property and mentioned the possibility of
requiring restricted parking in the Villa Capri condominium development.
Staff clarified that the streets in the condo-i-inium development will be private
and signed for no parking but will provide parking- stalls on each . cul-de-sac for guests.
Commissioner Wike supported staff's recommendation regarding simultaneous use.
She pointed out that an attached extension of the building could be secured with
locking doors.
Chairperson Ortolano requested information regarding the property adjacent to the
proposed 15 foot sideyard setback.
Staff discussed the agreement related to the purchase of the property from the
Federal Government and the Parks Master Plan for Upper Pt. Vicente. Staff
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noted that the developer of the Villa Capri condominiuffishais indicated his desire
to place some improvements on that property.
Chairperson Ortolano questioned the applicant's de ' sire for a separate structure for
safety purposes. She requested that occupancy be clarified along with the
related parking requirements and that staff obtain additional information
regarding the permanent parking easement.
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June 9, 1987
Page 7
Commissioner Wike moved to continue the item until June 30, 1987 to allow staff
time to explore the issues of an events calendar; parking/seating capacity;
PV Drive West improvements; the storm drain; alternate designs which would not
require a 15 foot setback Variance; simultaneous use and the permanent parking
easement. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Connolly and passed
unanimously.
Commissioner Wike noted the CUP No. 97 expiration date of June 11, 1987.
Chairperson Ortolano indicated that it would be appropriate to grant the
extension of CUP No. 97 for one year.
Commissioner Wike moved approval of the Extension of CUP No. 97 for one year;
seconded by Commissioner Connolly and passed unanimously.
Appeal rights to CUP No. 97 were noted to run 15 days fromthe-finalapproval
on June 23, 1987.
Variance No. 160, E/A No. 513 Chairperson Ortolano related a June 9
Essex Property Corporation letter from the applicant requesting
28125 Peacock Ridge Road a continuance of the item to July 14,
1987.
The public hearing was opened, there were no requests- to speak to the item.
Commissioner Von Hagen moved to continue the public hearing to July 14, 1987; seconded by
Commissioner McNulty and passed unanimously.
Variance No. 162 Assistant Planner Carolynn Wilker presented
Barbara A. Wood the staff report.
6902 Purpleridge
Chairperson Ortolano opened the public
hearing.
Mr. Earl Lawrence, 28741 Blythewood, discussed his opposition to the request;
voiced concern over the cumulative effect of an approval of the request; and
stated that he did not notice the garage until he received the public bearing
notice.
Chairperson Ortolano closed the public hearing.
Chairperson Ortolano discussed the possibility that the converted garage could be
a -separate living unit.
Director of Environmental Services Benard noted that the garage was converted
into additional interior space and is now a recreation/play room.
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June 9, 1987
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Commissioner Von Hagen moved to adopt the staff recommendation to deny the
request and to require the property owner to reconvert the garage into a
two -car enclosed parking area. The motion was seconded by Commissioner
Wike and passed unanimously.
Appeal rights were noted.
Variance No. 164, Grading No. 964 Chairperson Ortolano related a communi-
Brad Frisselle and Margaret Schuler cation from Ms. Rosetta Wilson, 3458
3466 Via Campesina Via Campesina, objecting to the request
and requesting a continuance of the item
due to the City's defective noticing procedures.
Staff recommended that the public hearing be opened in order to receive public
testimony from those present.
Commissioner Von Hagen said the Commission could receive public testimony and
vote on the issue, keeping in mind Ms. Wilson's opposition.
Chairperson Ortolano requested clarification regarding any legal_problems
associated with the City's noticing proi--ddures. She voiced that the public
hearing could be opened, public testimony could be taken, and the public hearing
could be continued.
Commissioner McNulty stated -possible legal problems related -to -noticing.
The Commission agreed to receive public testimony.
Assistant Planner Carolynn Wilker presented the staff report.
Chairperson Ortolano opened the public hearing.
Those supporting the request were:
Mr. Brad Frisselle 1320 Via Catalina, PVE Applicant and Potential
Buyer of the Property
Mr. Lamar Robinson 1065 Rayland Architect
Torrance, 90502
Those supporting the request discussed: the approval of the site as a
buildable lot incorrectly assumed that the slopes were less than 35 percent;
84 percent proposed open space; the excessive proposed grading for the
driveway is due to the flag lot; the proposed cut and fill; the proposed
structure conforms to the contours of the lot; difficulty in reducing the
footprint of the house by 15 percent; the location of the proposed garage;
the pool wall would be exposed from the outside; and willingness to discuss
the project with interested parties.
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June 9, 1987
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Chairperson Ortolano emphasized that the Parcel Map vas approved based on
erroneous information. She said the Commission should not feel obligated to
consider the lot buildable. She discussed the 25 foot wide easement for road,
utility or bridle purposes and questioned whether that easement is applicable
to the City's Trails Network Plan. She discussed the possibility of the
Trails Committee reviewing the lot since it is impacted by a trail easement.
Director of Environmental Services Benard discussed staff's opinion that the
lot is a buildable lot which was approved with erroneous information. He
related the City Attorney's opinion that, based on the intent of the City's
approval and the fact that sewer and access improvements have been made to the
property, the Commission should consider the lot buildable.
Staff indicated that the equestrian zone is not included in the Trails Network_
Plan and that the trail easement is dedicated to a private corporation rather
than a public agency. Staff noted that the location of the trail easement makes
the feasibility of its development minimal.
Commissioner Von Hagen stated his opinion that the Trafls Committee review
is not necessary since a trail easement is already established. He voiced
concern that the outdoor living space (rather than the house) was placed on
the flat portion of the lot.
Those opposing the request were
Mr. William H. Fain, Jr. 3000 Via Campesina
Mr. and Mrs. Stephen Wertheimer 3440 Via Campesina
Those opposing the request discussed: disagreement with the City Attorney's opinion
that the lot should be considered buildable, objection to the large size of the
proposed structure; concern over slope stability, fire protection, the location
of the proposed garage and the amount of proposed grading; and that a Height
Variation would not impact surrounding properties.
Chairperson Ortolano noted that the location of the proposed garage would
require less cut than other possible locations and that a Height Variation
would not impact surrounding properties.
Commissioner McNulty moved to continue the public hearing; seconded by
Commissioner Von Hagen and passed unanimously.
Director of Environmental Services Benard noted that the item will be renoticed
15 days prior to the meeting.
Chairperson Ortolano encouraged the applicant to work closely with staff to
reduce the excessive amount of grading.
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Variance No. 166, Grading No. 979
- Appeal, William and Maria
Kupferschmidt, 30240 Calle de Suenos
The reading of the staff report was
waived.
Chairperson Ortolano noted that the
items included in the Variance request existed prior to the applicant's purchase
of the property.
Chairperson Ortolano opened the public hearing.
Those supporting the request were:
Mr. and Mrs. William Kupferschmidt 30240 Call&de Suenos Applicant
Mr. Mehrdad Farivar 849 Princeton Street Representing the
Santa Monica, 90403 Applicants
Those supporting the request discussed:- the applicant's disagreements with the
staff recommendation; granting of the request is appropriate -since the
deck and gazebo have existed without any problems for approximately .10 years;
the applicant's understanding that the necessary permits for the structures
were obtained by the previous owner; the owner's willingness to correct the
playhouse 'violation;;the retaining wall causes no visual detriment to the
Shook's;Ithat the City should determine whether the retaining wall complies
with the Building Code before -requiring its removal: Mr. re
-. Shook's-�vious indication
that his pool problems were related to -a tree which was removed; and the
Shook's previous support for the installation of the playhouse.`
Commissioner Von Hagen related the difficulties in assuring that the retaining
wall was properly constructed. He stated concern over the problems with the
Shook's pool.
Staff related the City Geologist's opinion that a determination as to whether
the retaining wall was properly constructed could require extensive geological
and engineering studies. Staff pointed out that the site was analyzed from a
remedial standpoint and that the applicant would be required to fund any
engineering studies.
Chairperson Ortolano discussed the retaining wall construction with regard to
the problems with the Shook's pool. Additionally, she questioned whether the
removal of the playhouse from the swing set would solve the problem of the setback
for the playhouse.
J Staff said the playhouse, when dismantled from the swing set, is approximately
6 feet 6 inches and could be located to respect setbacks and could not be
viewed from the Shook's.
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The Commission agreed that the playhouse should be dismantled from the swing
set and placed an appropriate distance from the wall.
Commissioner Connolly voiced support for the staff recommendation of March
10, 1987.
Staff pointed out that the March 10 staff recommendation was made with the
understanding that the playhouse would be relocated so-that`tfi&-rewould be
sufficient room to install an additional 3 1/2 foot wall more than 3 feet
in from the existing wall. Staff mentioned that the existing wall, which
would then be reduced to less than 3 feet, would be an allowable garden wall.
Commissioner Von Hagen suggested that the retention capability of the wall
should be examined.
Chairperson Ortolano questioned whether the wall should be allowed to remain
even if it is determined to be safe and adequately constructed.
Commissioner Von Hagen voiced his opinion that the wall should remain if it
is determined safe and if other mitigating measures are met.
Commissioner McNulty said the construction of the wall should be examined or
a second wall should be installed.
Commissioner Wike voiced her agreement with Commissioner Von Hagen's opinion
that the wall should be allowed if it is determined to be structurally safe.,
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Director of Environmental Services Benard discussed the City's review procedures
pertaining to the determination of the wall's construction wherein the applicant
is required to provide geologic information which the City's geologist reviews.
Commissioner Von Hagen--moved-that the Colinn:Ls-sio'n' approve the application as
submitted with the Conditions that the playhouse be removed from the swing
set so it would comply with setback and height requirements and that the
retaining wall be determined as safe by Building & Safety. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner McNulty and passed unanimously.
Appeal rights were noted.
The Commission stated willingness to assist staff in determining the findings
for the Variance.
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June 9, 1987
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_.00,9,T'IiNUtD BUSINESS None.
NEW BUSINESS
Height Variation No. 488 The reading of the staff report was waived.
- Appeal, Ciro and Carol
Coppa, Alexandre Katsiferis Commissioner Wike mentioned that the
2125 Caddington appellant's view could be preserved if
fhe proposed addition wasmovedback
slightly.
Staff noted that a 24 foot addition would have no further view impairment than
if the existing 12 foot structure were expanded to 16-fe&-t- as allowed -by Code.
Mr. Ciro Coppa, 2125 Caddington, 90732-, appellant, voiced his opposition to
the proposed request and related his intent to seek legal counsel should the
appeal be denied.
Chairperson 0 Ortolan clarified that the Code per -miffs any homeowner to build to
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a height- of 16 feet and exprj`s_s&d her position that a 24 -foot ad(117ti-oh- as
proposed would have no_furt��,i view impairment as defined by the Code.
Commissioner Von Hagen stated his support of the staff recommendation as did
Commissioner Wike and Chairperson Ortolano.
Commissioner McNulty moved approval of the staff recommendation to deny the
appeal; seconded by Commissioner Von Hagen and passed unanimously.
Appeal tights were noted.
AUDIENCE QUESTIONS None.
Staff Director of Environmental Services noted
the SWAPC meeting to be held Friday,
June 26. Commissioners Connolly, McNulty,
Von Hagen and Chairperson Ortolano indicated that they cannot attend.
Director of Environmental Services Benard distributed Investigation Request
Forms. He noted that items in question must be viewed from public access.
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June 9, 1987
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Director of Environmental Services Benard related the City Attorney's opinion
regarding the voting procedure that once an abstention has been recorded it
must remain. However, he also indicated that it would be inappropriate to
revise the vote at this time.
Director of Environmental Services Benard stated his intent to obtain a detailed
opinion from the City Attorney regarding all possible considerations of a 2-2
vote.
Commission Chairperson Ortolano requested clarification
regarding simultaneous use in an Institutional
zone as it relates to determining parking requirements.
Staff indicated that simultaneous use is considered with each institutional
application and that the simultaneous use at St. John Fisher was a consideration
in their previous application because of the large size of the sanctuary and the
proposed building.
Chairperson Ortolano noted the Commission/staff dinner on June 10, 6:30 PM,
at Commissioner McNulty's.
Commissioner Wike mentioned that the Rolling Hills Estates Neighborhood
Compatibility Ordinance was upheld in the appellate court.
Chairperson Ortolano commented that Rolling Hills Estates eliminated its Tree
Ordinance.
Commissioner Von Hagen noted the U. S. Supreme Court decision in a land use
situation where a municipality down zones a piece of property that the land
owner is entitled to compensation.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was duly adjourned at 11:45 PM to June 10, 1987, 6:30 PM at 19
Mustang Road.