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PC MINS 19860128PLANNING COMMISSION January 28, 1986 The meeting was called to order at 7:35 PM by Chairman Von Hagen at 29301 Hawthorne. ABSENT: NONE Also present were acting Director of Environmental Services Ann NegendaMk, Director of Public Works George Wentz, Associate Planner Steve Rubin, Assistant Planner Greg Fuz, and Assistant Director Of Public Works Kevin Smith. COMMUNICATIONS 259 Appeal, was noted as withdrawn. CONSENT CALENDAR CONTINUED BUSINESS PUBLIC HEARINGS Staff distributed copies of response to S. Dewitt, Solar Industries, Mrs. Kelly's outline of meeting presentation was distributed, and Item VBl, Sign Permit ` Revision to Tentative Tract Map Associate Planner Steve Rubin presented the 37885 and CUP No. 79 Staff report On the Palos Verdes Properties request to revise the approved Tentative Tract Map and CUP with the recommendation the Commission adopt Resolution P. C. No. -86- recommending City Council approval of /l\ the Supplemental Environmental Impact Report to Final Environmental Impact Report NO. 16, /2\ the revision to Tentative Tract Map NO, 37885, and approving the revisions to Conditional Use Permit No. 79, � Staff stressed excess fill would be dumped in the location of the Old quarry and a public dump site is not proposed. Staff also discussed: the Palos Verdes Blue Butterfly/Fist and Wildlife approval with regard to Lots 45 and 46, archeologist/ palentologist involvement during grading, theCity's applicant to place utilities underground only inside the that the developer cannot be held responsible for maintenance of common open Space areas, the required installation of trails included in the Trails Network Plan, the Homeowner's Association not being responsible for maintenance final approval to depend upon cess— - road to the dump site to be nearthe drlveways of Lots 46 and 47. Staff corrected Exhibit oAx Of Resolution P. C. No. 86- as follows: No. l/h\ was made No. 2 and "Resolution -P. C. NO. 82-20 is amended by..." was made No. 3. ' Minutes January 28° 1986 Page 2 The Commission discussed the September 1988 time limits Of Resolution P. C. No. 82-20 and Council Resolution No. 82-66° landslides, the proposed tract to not be horse - lots, the large potential liability on the Homeowners' Association for maintenance of the extensive common area, the potential problems involved with the developer maintaining the common area, perimeter trail maintenance and maintenance of the trail along Forrestal with regard to the CC & Rs, and the common area was noted as over lOO acres with the gross acreage as 163 acres. The Commission discussed Council Resolution No. 82-65 as follows: Condition No, 15 was discussed to include all 47 lots, Street lights referenced in No. 29 were discussed to be necessary, and approval of the grading plan prior to the final map as mentioned in No. 31 was discussed. The Commission discussed Resolution P. C. NO. 82-20 as follows: Condition No. 7E was discussed to be a continuing condition with the properties, NO, 7H was discussed with regard to trails within the public right of way and those inside the tract, No. 7K was discussed and the "1990 dollar amount" was clarified as the year, and No. 10 was discussed to mean the Tentative Tract Map is not approved by the Planning Commission and the Commission recommends action on the map to the City Council. Chairman Von Hagen opened the public hearing. Mr. Mark Sikand, Sikand Enqi-ne-eying, 15230 Burbank Bl rd Van Nuys, discussed the geology of Lots 45 and 46 noting___Lhe pnoposed lots to be far_�tnough from the Butterfly was seen, horse trails noting.no objection to instal I inq__,.a__t_r_ai_l -down-- Forrestal, and7st—at-6—d--appliciant to be pre-pare-&—t-6--a-c-cept -all of the proposed conditions attached to the Revision of Tentative Tract Map 37885. The Commission discussed the Homeowners' Association/developer installing a barrier along Forrestal as a safeguard against dumping. Sunshine, 6 Limetree Lane, Palos Verdes Peninsuil'a Horsemen's Association, dis .ssed the grading for Lots 45 and 46 could include trail access at the end of Forrestal and the landscaping design with reference to damage by horses. Mr. Alfred Sattler, 835 - 29th Place, San Pedro, South Bay P. V. Regional Group VF the Sierra Club, voiced concern over the proposed tract's effect On the local hiking programs and stressed the Sierra Club's willingness to work on trails in the area. Intersted residents were as follows: Mr. Barry Hildebrand Mr. Richard Fei Mr, Ralph OrtVlanV Mr. Grant Stuckf Ms. Jan Smit Mr' James Kendall 3580 Vigilence 3777 Coolheights Drive 3776 CV0lheights Drive 31319 Marne Drive 3855 Pirate 30415 Cartier Drive These residents voiced concern Over dumping, motorcycle traffic, landslides, the possibility of a trail extending down to Pirate, excavations, view impair- ment, inadequate meeting notification, upkeep Of the north side of Lot 47, trail preservation, density law inconsistencies, traffic, the access road to the dump site, and the possibility of subdividing the lots in the future. In addition, Minutes January 28, 1986 'Page - 3 - residents discussed the developer being bonded to protect against possible land movement, a barrier along Forrestal being installed for protection against dumping, a portion of Lot 47 being used as a greenbelt, the General Plan with regard to promoting open space access, multi -use trails, easements for public access to open space areas, private ownership affecting access to open space areas, street light installation for safety and dumping discouragement, the past ten years of public access as a guideline for preservation, the Califor- nia State Supreme Court Cases upholding the public right to keep the land open, and Palos Verdes Blue Butterfly sightings (Kendall). The Commission discussed trail maintenance responsibility noting the beneficiaries of trail improvements as the public who walks and rides the,trails, and homeowners who have horses elsewhere, its intentions to protect as much view access as possible, the existing condition of approval prohibiting blasting, dumping problems when the existing barrier near Ladera Linda is removed, the Code's hours of operation on building as applying, an easement for preserving public access to the land, the Trails Network Plan and the extension of the trail down Forrestal, trail maintenance costs with regard to liability insurance, the Palos Verdes Blue Butterfly, the developer as not being responsible for undergrounding any utilities outside the development, eliminating the 100 acres of common open space from the proposal, problems associated with the project's lengthy start up, and suggested the Horsemen's Association assist _!he_1a_ndscap 1—a g__,archi t(�Lct -wi th_, the ndscape�pl`an. Mrs. Wike read the following information regarding yearly horse trail maintenance for I-, miles of trail in "The Ranch: development in Rolling Hills Estates (source, "The Ranch"): $1900 - for $3 million liability insurance 4800 - Weed abatement 2000 - Wood chips 2000 - Maintenance of wood fences $10,700 / year for 139 homes @ $920 per year per home. The Commission discussed Council Resolution No. 82-66 in regard to deleting 7_onT1—tion No. 29 and inserting a condition stating, "Street lights are included in the develop- ment with the Public Works Department recommending the appropriate number of lights." The Commission also discussed Resolution P.C. No. 82-20 in regard to deleting the "paths/trails" from Condition 7A noting concern over non-users being field liable for trails and discussed deleting Condition No. 21. Staff stated the elimination of the 100 common open space areas from the proposal would require a new subdivision and the access road to the dump site would be near the driveway of Lots 45 and 46. Mr. McNulty moved to adopt Resolution P.C. No. 86 -.-recommending City Council approval of (1) the Supplemental Environmental Impact Report to Final Environmental Impact Report No. 16, (2) the Revision to Tentative Tract Map.No. 37885, and approv- ing the revisions to Conditional Use Permit No. 79 including a change in Condition No. 29 of Council Resolution No. 82-66 to the extent that, "Street lights shall be installed in a manner pursuant to the recommendations of the Public Works Department and the maintenance costs of the street lights will be attributed to the Homeowners' Association" and a new condition be added to read, "The owners must, in the CC & Rs, specifically spell out in broad language and bold, underlined type that the project area includes the Homeowner Association's obligation to maintain all the common area included in the tract and equestrian trails or other trail networks within the tract, assuming all liability and costs therefor and shall duly record same on all grant deeds." Mr. Von Hagen seconded and the motion passed by majority with Mrs. Wike dissenting. The Commission requested this item be included under the Consent Calendar at the February 11, 1986 meeting. Minutes January 28, 1986 Page 4 Mr. McNulty moved to continue Item VB2, Grading 845 and Grading 846, and Item _ VIA1, Variance No. 131 and -CUP No. 104, to the Planning Commission meeting of February 11, 1986 and begin the meeting at 6:30 PM. The motion was seconded by Mr. Von Hagen and passed unanimously. Tentative Tract Map 44239 Chairman Von Hagen noted this item will and CUP No. 100 be included on the agenda for the regular Golden Cove Planning Commission meeting February 25, 1986. Associate Planner Steve Rubin presented the staff report on the RPV Investors/Bredero Hawthorne request for approval of a 49 -unit townhouse condominium project with the recommendation that the Commission open the continued public hearing, take public testimony, discuss the items in staff's report, provide staff and applicant with direction, and continue the public hearing to February 25, 1986. Staff discussed water problems at Golden Cove and noted no evidence of same at the property site, roof slopes, view impairment, landscaping, and traffic circulation noting more detail will be provided February 25, 1986. The Commi.ss.ion discussed: Jviews/.r.idgeT-ines-with-regard to -the 20 view plane encroach- ment, no General_P_lan vista identified from Hawthorne, "C" Street maximum elevations 4 feet lower than proposed ridgeline heights, access with regard to the number of entrances/exits, the idea of a left turn/U turn pocket at the new City Hall entrance, problems with "Right Turn Only" exits from the development, and the storm drain system/Los Angeles County Flood Control approval. Chairman McNulty opened the public hearing. Mr. Howard Adler, 505 No. Tustin, #246, Santa Ana, applicant, discussed: view impairment, traffic access, project review in an effort to make as little impact as possible, planned installation of 400 cu foot enclosed storage units in garages, 20 foot minimum setback noting plans to move the affected building back to meet the setback requirement, no variance requests, fencing removal along Hawthorne/42" b-l-o-ck_ wal 1 wi th 18" wrought i ron_on top,._ agreement_ -with- Ci tv=Geo1_o.ai_st-ani_ P_uhl i.c -worVs - with regard to landscaping, water ponding and drainage flow to Golden Cove parking lot, and the affordable housing issue. The Commission discussed: a second access with regard to the Church concern over noise interference and church parking lot use, 400 cu feet of enclosed storage in garage and the rec center as including a pool and patio with changing rooms. Interested residents were as follows: Jeannette Mucha James Kendall Lou -Silberman_." Elizabeth Kelly Franklin Weiss Julie Kazarian John Kas'sales; Kyozo Rhorl- 5.538 Li ttl ebow =Road 30415 Cartier Drive 30915 Marne Drive -6611 Vallon Drive._ 30711 Vi a 1 a--C."resta- 30.515 30-5-1-5--Via --Via l a Cresta 31015 Via Rivera 7257- Berryhi l l Drive= Minutes January 28, 1986 Page 5 These residents voiced concern over access problems, traffic/noise pollution, density, soil stability, and drainage. Residents also discussed developer bonds during grading, the Hawthorne "dipping" effect, affordable housing, geology, fencing, and the need/desire for more commercial establishments in the area. Staff discussed the soil content/expansion material to be silty clays and stated design of building foundations must be with the worst situation in mind._ Staff noted the Hawthorne "dipping" effect to be the result of compacting of fill - The Commission recommended residents notify the Traffic Committee regarding traffic concerns related to the proposed project and notedi-fhe —affordable units should be owner-- �occupteLd. The Commission also discussed: v* J_ews, fencing t.Q be a cLo-Qd_i-dEa-vi-i-th.-r-e.qa.rd--t.o- -1 lighting, ng,_i=a_fi__ ;V4r_kd_,f2"__wi th -18-"*- wrought iron, staf f /devel qp cooperation a—t i Fon-_ noise 9 sa ety an _.g_r coc n an effort to preserve existing views,N the wall.e fec a ong " Street, _l_ai�Cs_5_P_i_-_g_­ density/8 units per acre, affordable housing/how to sell/how to maintain as affordable, architecture/parthtones stug�co_ as opposed to white, project easements, and requested staff to investigate the possibility ..of-. Palos Verdes Seniors-b6ihg eligible for affordable housing. Assistant Director of Public Works Kevin Smith discussed: Hawthorne traffic counts to be at approximately 27% of design capacity, Hawthorne dips to be directly over major storm drains and still settling. 10% of daily traffic to be at peak; -secondary access at P. V. Drive West and_the _churchtoben.e-c-ess.arr— yf-os.af-e-ty,.an.d-no--sj.-qn,alI proposal at Via Rivera �to bitfi­e'Tesult of -not meeting State signal requirements. Mr. McNulty moved to continue the public hearing to February 25, 1986, seconded by Mrs. Ortolano and passed unanimously. REPORTS STAFF Staff stated Code Enforcement Forms will be available at each meeting , distributed Commissioner Information Sheets, noted --the SWAPO -1 u_ncKd&Fmeetih`g­_ a-t`C R&Elj e Brown Friday, 1/31/86, and discussed the Planhing-t-omm,ission Institufe'Confere'n-ce in` San Diego March 12-14,.1986. COMMISSION -The Commission discussed Vista Verde left turns to the south with staff noting intentions torefer this itemtothe Public Works Department. ADJOURNMENT Mr. McNulty moved to adjourn the meeting at 12:10 AM to February 11, 1986 at 6:30 PM. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Wike and passed unanimously.