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PC MINS 19840411MINUTES Planning Commission/Parks & Recreation Committee Joint Meeting Work Session 4/11/84 The Planning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Brown and the Parks and Recreation meeting was called to order by Chairman Corcoran at 7:00 p.m. in the Community Room, City Hall, at 30940 Hawthorne Boulevard. Dr. Brown advised the audience that the meeting was a work session for the Commission and Committee and not a public hearing. Thus, they were not taking public testimony on the second item. He also advised another meeting for the purpose of public testimony on -that item is scheduled by the Parks and Recreation Committee on April 19 at 7:30 p.m. PRESENT: PLANNING COMMISSIONERS; BROWN, ORTOLANO, MCNULTY, WIKE VON HAGEN PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS; CORCORAN, BONACICH BOLTON (departed 8:00 to 10:12 p.m.) LATE: YOUNGGREN (8:00 p.m.) Also present were Director of Environmental Services Sharon W. Hightower, Associate Planner Alice Angus and Assistant Planner Gary Pedroni. COMMUNICATIONS The following communications were distributed: (1) a chart relative to the Sanitation District parcel, (2) letters to Dr. Brown from Eastview reisdents, (3) letter from Shirley Kline, President of Palos Verdes Horeseman's Association, (4) Dr. Brown advised he had received several petitions relative to the Sanitation District which would go into the file records. TRAILS The staff report was presented by Assistant Planner Gary Pedroni. He described the contents of the Trails Network Plan, and said it was a refinement of the earlier General Plan and Coastal Specific Plan; the next step in the process of defining a network for the City. He stated that goal/policies, standards for pedestrians, bicyclists and equestrians and signage were all included in the Plan. He asked for discussion of implementation of the programs. He mentioned there has been citizen input, mostly from the equestrian community. He briefly discussed the April 2nd Peninsula Equestrian Committee meeting. It discussed the problem areas. The main problem he felt is establishing dedicated easements and linkages should be the major concentration. He directed attention to page 18 and page 28 of the Trails Network Plan. The designated routes versus the proposed linkages were discussed and the class designations were also described. He noted an error on page 28 on the bicylce trail; #1 is in error. It is actually a pedestrian walkway around the Preseley Tract. He said there are two major Equestrian trails in the City, the Eastside and the Portuguese Bend area. His concentration was on these areas for the equestrain trails. He asked that the Commission and Committee concentrate on pages 47 and 48 which outline programs that could be effective in implementing the Plan. After lengthy discussion, Mr. Pedroni stated the Plan was for what was practical and could possibly be implemented. He felt the proposal did not give citizens any unreasonable expectations. Dr. Brown invited the audience to participate. Sandra Williams, 12 Lariat Lane, RHE, member of NATRC. Ms. Williams felt the linkage to the Ranch and S & S developments in Rolling Hills Estates was the most essential issue; without the linkage, she felt valuable fiat riding area would be lost. She said that area is currently used and has been for the past nine years. Mr. Pedroni advised that in order for the program to work, the trails must be on dedicated legal easements. Discussion ensued relative to the possibilities of a signal or stop sign on Crest Road across from the Ranch gate. Shirley Swartz, 6 Cayuse Lane, Rancho Palos Verdes said she has been working on proposed trails in the Martingale area. She suggested using the Crest Road bicycle easement for an equestrian/pedestrian trail and move bikes into the street. Ms. Sunshine, 6 Limetree, RPV represented the Palos Verdes Peninsula Horseman's Association and mentioned the possibility of citizen participation, money, and labor to develop and maintain trails. She requested the draft be corrected to reflect Palos Verdes Peninsula Horseman's Association and to add Happy Hoofers. She asked what is required legally to change an easement from bicycle to equestrian trails. Ms. Evie Hunter, Martingale Street, RPV, asked that consideration be given to equestrians when open land is being developed. She asked about requiring horse trails similar to bicycle trails. Dr. Brown advised that in order to change an easement from bicycle to equestrain 100% agreement of all property owners would be required and keep in mind that all property owners are not in favor of horses. Ms. Ginny Smolley, 56 Limetree, RPV suggested documenting trail usage for historic use. Prescriptive easement was discussed. Ms. Cheryl Stuckle, PVDE, RPV, aired feelings of discontentment with the Commission and Committee. Comments and suggestions from the Commission and Committee were as follows: -A Peninsula wide network should be shown; showing major existing trails in other cities and linkages in other cities -Priorities of trails should be established; more trails should be shown -Extend proposed routes taken from "Horseman's Association Map" -Cost and safety -Crossings 2 -2- g P & P.0 4/11/84 -Alternate ways to protect trails; shrubs/screen -Portuguese Bend to Rolling Hills Estates link should be included Director Hightower requested a group to submit a list of priorities of trails currently used. The Commission and Committee's consensus was for staff to respond to these changes and resubmit individually to the Commission and Committee. EASTVIEW Dr. Brown advised that the Planning Commission role was to deal with Land Use Designation and the Parks and Recreation role is to help identify whether park is appropriate usage for the Sanitation District parcel. Associate Planner Alice Angus gave a brief staff report and referred to the chart which provided some comparisons of land uses. Areas discussed were flexibility of the land use, commercial use as a golf driving range regarding traffic and lighting, parkland use relative to cost, crime and safety, possibility of donations and funding sources, possible agricultural tree farm, a mix of uses, and decision timing regarding the Capital Improvements Plan. The Park and Recreation Committee will report back after its April 19., 1984 meeting. ADJOURNMENT At 1 100 p.m. the Parks and Recreation Committee adjourned to its next meeting on April 19, 1983 at 7:30 p m., and the Planning Commission adjourned to its next meeting on April 24, 1984 at 7.30 p.m. 5 -3- P&R/P.C. 4/11/84