PC MINS 19830823M I N U T E S
City of Rancho Palos Verdes
Planning Commission
Regular Adjourned Meeting
August 23, 1983
The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. in the City Council Chambers,
30942 Hawthorne Boulevard, by Chairman Hinchliffe.
PRESENT: Hinchliffe, Brown, McNulty, Hughes
LATE ARRIVAL: McTaggart (7:40 p.m.)
ABSENT: None
COMMUNICATIONS
George S. Gabric Mr. Gabric addressed the Commission
Letter dated August 11, 1983 expressing his concern over the
Grading Application #646 grading application being tabled
until the parcel map hearing, which
he felt might not be for a long time
due to the fact that the street vacation property transfer was now before
the Palos Verdes Homes Association and may stay there for a long time.
Mr. Hinchliffe asked staff if there had been any new occurrences since
they had last heard this item.
Director Hightower replied that nothing had changed.
Dr. Brown moved that Mr. Gabric's request be heard at a future meeting
and that all minutes and information pertaining to this item be brought
back at that future date. Mr. Hughes seconded, motion passed unanimously.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Minutes of August 9,1983 Dr. Brown moved to approve the minutes
of August 9, 1983, motion seconded and
passed with Mr. Hughes abstaining.
OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
A. Conditional Use Permit No. 31
Condition No. 3,
Tract No. 33206 - Three
Month Extension
B. Grading No. 673
McCurry
5703 Wildbriar
Retaining Wall
None.
Mr. Putrino gave staff report with the
recommendation to approve.
Dr. Brown moved to approve the three
month extension, Mr. McTaggart seconded
and motion passed with Mr. Hughes voting
no.
Mr. Putrino gave staff report with
the recommendation to approve.
Dr. Brown moved to approve Grading
No. 673, Mr. Hughes seconded and motion
passed unanimously.
C. Sign
Permit No. 177
Mr. Putrino presented the
staff report.
Hughes
Market
30019
Hawthorne Boulevard
Dr. Brown asked staff if
the free
I.D.
Signs
standing sign would block
the Monte
Verde sign and did Hughes
Markets own
that corner.
Director
Hightower stated that
Hughes Markets had always owned
that corner.
Mr. McNulty asked if they were going to take the existing sign down.
Mr. Putrino replied yes and the sign would not block the Monte Verde sign.
Mr. Gardner, Innovate Graphics, 833 N. Elm, Orange addressed the Commission
stating that designing signage for that property was difficult and that the
pole sign was the best they could do at that corner without destroying the
trees and bushes. He further stated that the wall sign was a problem and
that they wanted to create an effective sign. They designed a large wall
sign because they felt that travelers coming up Hawthorne Boulevard from
the south would pass the pole sign without really seeing the sign.
Mr. Norb Personalt, Hughes Markets representative, addressed the Commission
stating that they felt strongly about the need for the wall sign along
Hawthorne Boulevard and they did not want to change any landscaping. He
added, that the sign pole would not be visable, coming up Hawthorne Boule-
vard from the south, until the motorist had reached the corner. Mr.
Personalt added that they were walling to discuss changing the square
footage of the wall sign to lower the height.
Mr. Hinchliffe stated that he didn't understand why in five years Hughes
Markets had not done something before the time had passed and that he
thought that that fact took away a little of their position.
Mr. McTaggart asked what was the standard size sign used on other Hughes
Markets.
Mr. Personalt replied that 30 of the markets had wall signs of 8 feet but
that the newer stores were putting up smaller signs.
Mr. Hinchliffe asked if they had checked with the City to see what was
allowed for signs on buildings.
Mr. Personalt stated that Innovative Graphic had gotten the impression that
it was negotiable.
Dr. Brown moved to approve staff's recommendation to approve the permanent
free standing sign and deny the building face sign. Mr. Hughes seconded.
Dr. Brown stated that he could not go along with the face sign as presented.
Mr. McTaggart asked staff if sign reduction was discussed.
Mr. Putrino stated no.
Mr. McNulty stated that if the applicant could reduce the size of the wall
sign perhaps some agreement could be made.
Mr. Hughes stated he had difficulty with replacing a non -conforming sign
with another non -conforming sign.
Mr. Hinchliffe stated that he had no objection as long as it conformed to
Code.
Mr. McTaggart stated that the Commission should proceed with the motion
and ask Hughes Market to come back with a new application for the face
sign.
Motion of Dr. Brown's passed unanimously.
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PLANNING COMMISSION -2- August 23, 1983
WORK SESSION
A. Code Amendment No. 19
A. COASTAL SETBACK ZONE:
The following are the results (con-
ceptual approval) of each category
discussed.
1. Leave Coastal Specific Plan Amendment as proposed.
2. To addition recommended in report for Zoning -Section 17.34.060.B
include: "Minor additions under 250 square feet........"; and,
........for which geology reports are approved by City Geologist."
B. RENTALS FOR THE OLYMPICS:
Recommend to City Council to adopt an ordinance allowing rental of rooms
for duration of Olympics without any permit.
C. REVOKING PERMITS:
Addition is revised to read: "The appropriate body ..........." instead
of "The Director ......." with procedures for revocation to be added by
City Attorney.
D. DOUBLE PLANNING FEE/PENALTY:
Approved as is with following addition. "A $100.00 non-refundable fee
will apply to deposit applications."
E. HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION VOTING:
Recommended to have staff prepare something more in line with State Law
and phasing of developments as it deals with single and multi -family
units.
F. "TRAILER" DEFINITION:
Approved as presented.
G. "WILD ANIMAL" DEFINITION:
Approved as presented.
H. AMEND SECTION 16.20.130:
Remain as is.
I. "RETAINING WALL" DEFINITION:
Approved as presented with the following word added to all sections except
10.04.1011. Add: "A retaining wall .............."
J. WALL HEIGHT:
Left as is unless staff gets information from City Attorney regarding
liability which might have bearing on this item.
B. SECOND UNITS
Discussion was held regarding the
ordinance prohibiting second units
and the language to be used therein.
Staff is to prepare a draft of the ordinance and present at the next
meeting.
Meeting was adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
PLANNING COMMISSION -3- August 23, 1983
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