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City of Rancho Palos Verdes
Planning Commission
Regular Adjourned Meeting
May 25, 1982
The meeting was called to order at 7:34 p.m. in the City Council Chambers,
30942 Hawthorne Boulevard, by Chairman Hughes.
PRESENT: Hinchliffe, McTaggart, Hughes
LATE ARRIVAL: Brown
ABSENT: Baer
Also present were Director of Planning Sharon Hightower, Associate Planner
Alice Bergquist Angus, and Assistant Planners Jonathon Shepherd, Joseph
Gamble, and Dino Putrino.
VARIANCE NO. 80 Mr. Putrino said the request is for a
28049 Lobrook Drive room addition which would exceed the
Applicant/Landowner: Stager 30 -foot height limit. He said the
subject property has an average slope
of approximately 37 percent which
slopes downward from the street of access. He said the proposed project
is a single story addition to the rear of the main structure, and that the
existing main structure has an overall height of 29 feet. He said although
the overall height of the proposed structure and existing house exceeds the
maximum allowed 30 feet, by four and one-half feet, the addition would not
increase the ridge height of the main structure but lowers the lowest founda-
tion wall. Staff recommended approval of the variance since all of the re-
quired four findings could be made, as presented in the staff report.
Public hearing was opened. There was no one present wishing to address the
Commission.
By motion of Mr. Hinchliffe, seconded by Mr. McTaggart, and unanimously
carried, the public hearing was closed.
By motion of Mr. Hinchliffe, seconded by Mr. McTaggart, and unanimously
carried, the Commission adopted Resolution No. 82-10, thereby approving
Variance No. 80 based on the findings as presented in the staff report.
Mr. Hughes advised of the right to appeal this decision to the City Council
within fifteen calendar days.
CODE AMENDMENT NO. 14 Mr. Gamble briefly reviewed the staff
Minor nonconforming structures report, noting that with the exception
Clarification of front property of clarification of lot depth and the
line for flag lots definitions, this Code Amendment was
Clarification of lot depth initially reviewed by the Commission
Definitions at its April 27, 1982 meeting. He
said staff suggested amending Code
Section 17.40.020 in order to alleviate
problems related to lot depth determination, and amending the Definition
Section of the Code with clarification of upslope and downslope lots. Staff
recommended that the Commission consider the information presented.
Mr. McTaggart asked if it was possible to include clarification of the Code
with regard to magnitude of minor exception permits in this legislation
rather than initiate another Code Amendment. He said recent cases have
pointed out an oversight in the existing ordinance and proposed that a - —
variation never exceed 10 feet. He also suggested limiting the number,,_
of minor exceptions allowed for a property.
By motion of Mr. McTaggart, seconded by Mr. Hughes, and carried two to one,
with Mr. Hinchliffe dissenting, the Commission moved to include the possi-
bility of changing the Minor Exception Permit section of the Code as part
of Code Amendment No. 14.
Director Hightower noted that in recommending approval of the Code Amend-
ment to the City Council there must be at least three affirmative votes.
Public hearing was opened. There was no one present wishing to address the
Commission.
By motion of Mr. McTaggart, seconded by Mr. Hinchliffe, and unanimously
carried, the public hearing was closed.
In response to Commission questions, Mr. Gamble said the intent of the pro-
posed section concerning nonconforming structures was to reflect what the
City Council was trying to achieve. Re the definition of a minor noncon-
forming structure, he said he was trying to establish definite sizes to
separate major and minor structures. He said the reason the figure 880
square feet was chosen was to delineate between decks which are of a patio
nature and those of a tennis court nature.
Dr. Brown arrived at 7:54 p.m.
Mr. McTaggart was uncomfortable with defining an 880 square foot deck as
minor, as he felt that was a substantial size deck. He asked how the 64
square foot size accessory building was picked. He felt the two sizes were
out of proportion.
Director Hightower explained that structures that size or less were already
defined in the Building Code as not needing a building permit. She said
the County previously allowed decks higher than the City permits with
higher fences on top of them.
Mr. Hughes said if they allow a raised 880 square foot deck with a wall
around it, from below no one could tell that it had no roof, that the effect
would be the same. He said the way the amendment is proposed, an 8 x 10
foot tool shed would not be permitted, but an 880 square foot deck with a
wall around it would be allowed.
Mr. Hughes said he had a problem with the whole concept because people will
want to construct what the City allows their neighbors to rebuild.
Mr. McTaggart suggested allowing minor nonconforming structures to be re-
built under this section only if they do not require a building permit, as
a permit would be required for decks that are elevated above ground.
It was the consensus of the Commission that something along the lines of
Mr. McTaggart's above suggestion might make sense and staff was directed to
research it.
Mr. McTaggart said it could state that no minor nonconforming structure may
be rebuilt without first obtaining permission from the City, and that the
City charge a $5 fee. He said by doing that the burden is on the applicant
to request permission and prove they are simply replacing something.
Re front property line designation for flag lots, Director Hightower noted
that the City has been consistently using this interpretation the entire
time the Code has been in effect.
It was the consensus of the Commission that the proposed wording of that
section is acceptable.
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In response to Commission questions, Director Hightower said the tract maps
label whether property access is a private drive or a road, that a road re-
quires more width.
Following Commission discussion, it was the consensus of the Commission to
accept the definitions of upslope lot and downslope lot, as presented by
staff.
Re minor exception permits, Mr. McTaggart felt the magnitude concerning
lot dimensions should be limited to not exceed a 10 -foot or 20 -percent Code
reduction, whichever is less. He also felt they should limit the number of
minor exceptions for lot dimensions on any lot to one exception. His con-
cern was that someone could get a minor exception permit for three or four
dimensions, which would have an effect on lot coverage and create a sub-
standard lot. He said anyone requesting additional modifications could
apply for a variance.
It was the consensus of the Commission that staff should look only at re-
wording the Minor Exception Permit section to limit lot dimension reductions
to 10 feet or 20 percent, whichever is less.
COMMERCIAL ANTENNA ISSUES Mr. Shepherd said on March 31, 1982,
the City Council directed the Commis-
sion and staff to study and review
issues pertinent to commercial antennae regulations. He said staff also
included the issue of earth station regulations in its report and referred
the Commission to the supplemental material which was included in the agenda
packets. Concerning exposure of people to non -ionizing electromagnetic
energy, he said there were no clinical studies addressing it and that it
was not a major concern to the public. He said the Federal Communications
Commission (FCC) does not enforce standards of radio frequency radiation in
relation to exposure from transmitters. Staff recommended that the Commis-
sion discuss the issues, identify design criteria and request that staff
prepare and submit a report on those issues.
Mr. Hughes said the City has a commodity which it could make use of because
of its hilltop location which is excellent for transmitters. He said the
City should address how to deal with the issue and with the City's unique-
ness. He did not feel earth stations would create a wide range of problems
as indicated in the staff report.
Director Hightower said the ma3or concern with earth stations is that the
City's Code does not currently deal with them.
Dr. Brown was concerned about the kind of 3urisdictional control the City
really has and was also concerned about multiple sites being used for com-
mercial antennas.
Mr. Hughes said the FCC has no controls over structural antennas but that
there were court decisions which place limits on what the City can do. He
said the City has the right and the responsibility to require that the
structures be built per the Uniform Building Code and, in the case of com-
mercial antennas, can require that they be located only in commercially
developed areas. He said there were geographic problems associated with
consolidating transmitters to one area, and that there is a great potential
for interference with a lot of transmitters in close proximity.
Mr. McTaggart suggested allowing commercial antennas with a conditional use
permit in Commercial and Institutional zones.
Dr. Brown expressed concern about television interference problems.
Mr. Hughes said that interference only occurs because televisions are made
inexpensively, without -filters. He felt the benefits to the community far
exceed the problems since transmitters are used for police and fire communi-
cations, etc. He said the transmitters do not interfere with the televisions,
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that the televisions receive the signals due to defective manufacturing.
He noted that television reception is even affected by the use of electrical
appliances; within the home. He said a filter costs approximately $10 and
could be attached to the antenna of anyone experiencing problems. He felt
there were practical reasons from a building and safety standpoint to keep
the transmitters out of residential areas. He suggested that staff obtain
a copy of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) report on Mt. Wilson
and any other available reports.
Mr. McTaggart suggested that -staff check on locations for some appropriate
sites and that commercial broadcasting be limited to Institutional, Commer-
cial, and Municipal zones.
Director Hightower said some of the information staff has received indicates
that the structures can be located within buildings. She felt that was a
design consideration that the City might wish to have, at least as a policy
guideline. She said along with reviewing locations, criteria would be
necessary, as there may be some areas where large towers would be un-
desirable.
Staff was directed to look at locations and obtain more information.
Concerning earth stations, Mr. Hinchliffe said he and his neighboring home-
owners could put in a community antenna, and he wondered to what extent that
would conflict with the existing Times Mirror Cable franchise.
Concerning what criteria should be used for the installation of earth sta-
tions, it was the consensus of the Commission that they be treated as
accessory structures on the ground and be excluded from setback areas. It
was further the consensus that if the structure exceeds three feet in dia-
meter it must be ground -mounted, but that anything smaller may be permitted
on the roof.
ESTATE ZONING STUDY Ms. Angus said on March 2, 1982, the
City Council directed staff to conduct
this study in response to a request by
Mrs. Kelvin Vanderlip. She said staff contacted various cities throughout
the State and that none of the cities surveyed had an estate zone, although
several permitted second units in single family zones either by an estab--,
lished zone or by a use permit. She said Los Angeles County allows one
unit per the minimum lot size on large parcels, i.e. in a one unit per acre
zone a five -acre parcel could be developed with five units. She said with
the criteria suggested in the staff report, three properties could qualify
for estate zoning and that all are located in the Moratorium area. Staff
recommended that the Commission discuss the criteria for an estate zone:
minimum lot size, number of additional units permitted, percent that must
be low/moderate income or reserved for seniors, and the process required.
Mr. Hinchliffe asked if an alternative would be to apply for a Residential
Planned Development.
Director Hightower said Mrs. Vanderlip would have to obtain a zone change
for the density in order to apply for that.
Mr. Hughes noted that under the County Zoning Ordinance Mrs. Vanderlip
would have been allowed seven units. He said estate zoning implies that
there is one large structure with small satellite structures and wondered
how the City would prevent a structure from being sold.
Director Hightower said legally the site would have to be subdivided in
order to sell a portion of it.
In response to a question by Mr. Hughes, Director Hightower said there were
some benefits from estate zoning if the Housing Element goals are considered.
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The Commission expressed concerns re the processing of this request at City
expense rather than at the expense of the person making the request. There
was concern about the lack of benefit other than satisfying a requirement
for low/moderate income housing and alleviating the City from legal maneuver-
ing and court battles. From a planning point of view the Commission could
see no benefit in upzoning certain properties by creating a new zone and
felt the proposal lacked any merit. There was cbncern--about-whether the
renting/leasing of the structures violates the Subdivision Map Act. The
Commission was also concerned that the units might not meet the Building
Code as habitable structures and may pose a health hazard to the people
living there.
It was the consensus of the Commission that a subcommittee, composed of Mr.
McTaggart and Dr. Brown, draft a response to the City Council clearly out-
lining the objections of the Commission to an estate zone.
Mr. Hughes felt the Commission also had a moral obligation to advise the
City Council on all potential problems and should, therefore, include in
its report the concerns regarding possible health hazards of the existing
structures.
At Mr. Hinchliffe's suggestion, Mr. Hughes directed staff to check with the
City Attorney on whether or not the use on the subject property represents
a violation of the Subdivision Map Act, or on what basis it would represent
a violation of the Map Act.
Dr. Brown and Mr. McTaggart were to have the draft response at the next
meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
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At 11:08 p.m. it was moved, seconded,
and carried, to adjourn to Tuesday,
June 8, 1982, at 7:30 p.m.
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