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City of Rancho Palos Verdes
Planning Commission
Regular Adjourned Meeting
April 26, 1977
The meeting was called to order at 7:40 p.m. in the City Council Chambers,
30942 Hawthorne Boulevard, by Chairperson McTaggart.
PRESENT: Bacharach, Blue, Hughes, Rosenberg, McTaggart
ABSENT: None
Also present were Associate Planner Gary Weber and Assistant Planner Keith
Turner.
MINUTES APPROVAL on motion of Mr. Hughes, seconded by
Mrs. Bacharach, and unanimously car-
ried, the minutes of the meeting of
April 7, 1977, were approved with the following amendments: Section 2,A,
should read "Strike first ( ) and the words in the second ( ); Section
3,A 2., should read "primary view of structure or pad....."; below Section
5,A, add "5.B Delete."
On motion of Mr. Blue, seconded by Mr. Hughes, and unanimously carried,
the minutes of the meeting of April 12, 1977, were approved with the fol-
lowing amendments: page 2, end of paragraph 14, add "Director Hightower
said the environmental impact report and other available information was
sent prior to this meeting, but that Staff would re -send it."
On motion of Mrs. Bacharach, seconded by Mr. Hughes, and unanimously car-
ried, the minutes of the meeting of April 14, 1977, were approved with the
following amendments: page one, Subregion 1, should read ".....density of
up to 1 du/ac. was appropriate. There was agreement that clustering was
not appropriate."; and Subregion 2 should be changed to read "Subregion 3."
The Commission discussed with Mr. Slauta the request by his neighbor in
opposition to postpone hearing Grading Application No. 152 until 10:15, as
he was not able to be present before that time. The Commission agreed to
place this item at the end of the meeting, as they felt all input was im-
portant, but did not wish to 'postpone it to a specific time as they could
not predict the time of adjournment.
On motion of Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. Blue, and unanimously carried,
the item was moved to the end of the agenda.
TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 29795 Mr. Weber said that following the last
Via Campesina meeting, the applicant submitted a
Applicant: N. E. Nordahl, et al revised map intended to meet the con-
cerns of the Commission, in which the
tennis court was eliminated, the road-
way was realligned to the mid-portion of the site, the lot configuration
was redesigned and one lot was added. He said, as requested, staff has
evaluated the feasibility of establishing a grading/construction restriction
line and determined that such a line is not only feasible, but is desirable,
and he suggested the criteria as shown in the staff report be used to deter-
mine the location of the line. Staff recommendation is that the Commission
recommend to the City Council approval of the map subject to the conditions
listed in Exhibit "A" and in the staff report, with the additional condi-
tion for a requirement that the cul-de-sac be changed to reflect the con-
cerns of the Fire Department, either widened to a 30 -foot radius or to a
hammerhead. Re condition #30, as requested by Palos Verdes Estates, staff
recommends this condition either be altered or deleted.
Mr. McTaggart agreed that condition #30 should be altered, as he felt the
applicant should only be responsible for repairing any damage caused by him.
Norm Nordahl said he was glad about the changes as it is now more compat-
ible as a development than it was before. He said a hammerhead could be
done rather than the cul-de-sac.
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Public discussion was closed.
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The Commission discussed the width of the road and possible parking prob-
lems, the formation of an assessment district and incorporating a build-
ing height into the CC&Rs.
On motion of Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. Blue, and unanimously carried,
a provision was added to Exhibit "A" requiring the formation df an assess-
ment district as a condition of approval.
On motion of Mrs. Bacharach, seconded by Mr. Hughes, and unanimously car-
ried, condition #20 was changed to read ".....'no parking' on one side of
the street due to....."
On motion of Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. Hughes, and unanimously carried,
condition #24 was deleted.
On motion of Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mrs. Bacharach, and unanimously
carried, condition #30 was changed by striking the remainder of the sen-
tence after ".....construction of the project."
Mr. McTaggart asked Staff to work on an alternate solution for the im-
provement of the street, a condition perhaps that if the money is not
spent within three years it be reimbursed.
Mr. Rosenberg was still concerned about the accuracy of the figures used,
and Mr. weber explained that condition #2 requires specific lot sizes and
if the .figures are not correct, they would have to be brought into con-
formance.
P4ike Nichols, Lanco Engineering, explained how they arrived at these num-
bers.
On motion of Mr. Hughes, seconded by Mrs. Bacharach, and unanimously car-
ried, the cut-back (spur) into Lot #1 was deleted, and all cuts and fill
for the access road are not to exceed a slope ratio of 2:1.
On motion of Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. Hughes, and unanimously carried,
condition #34 was added to Exhibit "A" requiring that the CC&Rs reflect
view protection; and condition #35 was added requiring a building restric-
tion line.
Mr. Blue proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Hughes, recommending to the
City Council approval of Tentative Tract Map No. 29795, subject to the
conditions within Exhibit "A" as amended.
Roll call vote was as follows:
AYES: Bacharach, Blue, Hughes, Rosenberg, McTaggart
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. Rosenberg requested that the Commission discuss at the end of this,
meeting the possibility of requiring that the CC&Rs become part of the
approval of the tentative tract map rather than the final map.
RECESS
At 8:45 p.m. a brief recess was
called. The meeting reconvened at
8:48 p.m. with the same members
present.
GRADING APPLICATION NO. 160 Mr. Weber explained that the original
2135 Chandeleur Drive application proposing 423 cubic yards
Applicant: Joseph Coia was approved by staff on March 28,
but that since, a geologist and the
County Engineer have agreed that cor-
rective grading is necessary in order to stabilize the slope. Therefore,
the applicant seeks approval of an additional 1100 cubic yards. Staff
recommendation is for approval subject to the condition listed in the staff
report.
Russ McGuire, South Bay Engineering, said the applicant had hired the
geologist to do a soils report and that they must follow his recommenda-
tion for corrective grading.
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Public participation was closed.
Mr. Rosenberg proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Blue, to approve Graql�.ng
Application No. 160 subject to the condition that a registeredj_ hgi-
neer certify that the final land contouring relative to the buttresses is
reflective of the existing topographic condition and that this be done
prior to final grading inspection.
Roll call vote was as -follows:
AYES: Bacharach, Blue, Hughes, Rosenberg, McTaggart
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
GRADING APPLICATION NO. 169 Mr. Weber said the applicant requests
Lot 26, Tract 25376 (Grandpoint Ln.) approval for the grading of 1700 cu -
Applicant: Dr. W. M. Schofield bic yards for the construction of a
single family home, access, turn -around
and rear yard "porch" area. He read
the results of the evaluation of the project with respect to the code cri-
teria (A - E in the staff report). He said he has talked with the appli-
cant since the staff report was prepared and -that he is willing to revise
the plans. Staff recommendation is if the Commission feels comfortable
with the proposed changes in the plan, conditional approval be granted
subject to the plans being reviewed by the Director of Planning; or if the
Commission feels uncomfortable, the item be continued.
W. M. Schofield said Staff had indicated they were overgrading. He showed
the revised plans to the Commission which indicate a reduction in the over-
age from 3341 square feet to 2900 square feet.
Public participation was closed.
Mr. Turner answered questions of the Commission, noting that grading could
be decreased with the use of retaining walls in the rear yard area.
In response to a Commission question, Dr. Schofield said the porch was the
same elevation as the front room.
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The Commission4�9 they would prefer a contoured rear yard slope, and
pointed out that the neighborhood is already well developed.
Mr. McTaggart felt in this case more grading would create a more desirable
effect.
Mr. Blue proposed a motion, seconded by Mrs. Bacharach, to approve Grading
Application No. 169 as originally submitted.
Roll call vote was as follows:
AYES: Bacharach, Blue, Hughes, McTaggart
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Rosenberg
ABSENT: None
TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP NO. 7705 Mr. Weber said the request was to
East of the intersection of Haw- divide a 39.4+ acre site into two
thorne Blvd. & Via Rivera parcels of 20 and 19.4 acres, which
Applicant: Palos Verdes Properties are intended for the purpose of sale.
He described the project, location,
surrounding areas, and zoning. He
said the primary concern is whether or not the parcels could be developed,
and that the evaluation indicates they could be. Staff recommendation is
for approval subject to the conditions in Exhibit "A".
Mike Kochan, assistant general manager of Palos Verdes Properties, res-
ponded to Commission questions.
Public participation was closed.
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Mr. Rosenberg proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Blue, to adopt Resolution
No. 77-10 (P.C.), approving Tentative Parcel Map No. 7705, subject to the
conditions in Exhibit "A".
Roll call vote was as follows:
AYES: Bacharach, Blue, Hughes, Rosenberg, McTaggart
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
COMMISSION REPORTS Mr. McTaggart said the first item
scheduled on the Council/Commission
joint meeting agenda is the proposed
Commission Handbook, which refers to the role of the Council and Commis-
sions. Other items are communications, the handling of proposed ordinances,
legal counp!el at Commission meetings re land use, condominiums, etc. He
said he would try to arrange this meeting for May 16.
Mr. Rosenberg said he would like the Council to set policy that CC&Rs be
submitted at the time tentative tract maps are filed.
After discussion, Mr. Rosenberg proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Blue,
and unanimously carried, directing Staff to prepare a formal resolution
recommending to the City Council that a policy be adopted requiring pre-
liminary CC&Rs to be submitted at the time of filing tentative tradt maps,
so that the Commission can place certain conditions to be included manda-
torily in the CC&Rs. Said resolution is to be presented for approval at
the next meeting.
Mr. McTaggart said Mas Ishibashi will be present at the next Coastal Plan
work session to speak as a professional farmer. He also said Joe Barnett
has volunteered to give background of the incidents along the bluffs and
some very recent traffic figures; this will be at either the next meeting
or the following one. He further said that the Fire Battalion Chief would
be present at the next meeting.
Mr. Blue reminded the Commission -that the financial statements re their
status as of April 1 must be filed during the month of April.
GRADING APPLICATION NO. 152 As the other items on the agenda were
7447 Via Lorado completed, at 9:40 p.m. the Commission
Applicant: Eugene & Barbara Slauta began consideration of this item which
had been placed at the end of the meet-
ing.
Mr. Weber said Mr. Forbes had volunteered information at the last meeting
which staff saw this morning and that the letter was received this after-
noon. He said staff is not prepared at this time to give any kind of
evaluation of the proposal. He said he talked to Mr. Hauf and apparently
there is a communications problem between the applicant and Mr. Hauf. Staff
recommendation is for continuance of the item and that the applicant be
asked to revise his plans to reflect the concerns of the Commission or that
the Commission make a decision on the original plans.
Re #2 in the letter, Mr. McTaggart asked that staff verify the statement
of Mr. Hauf.
Mr. Hughes felt the Commission should consider the project on its own
merits and not wait for the neighbor's proposal. He felt they should
reach a consensus on their concerns so that the applicant can respond.
Mr. McTaggart agreed and also felt that the Commission should not take
action tonight, particularly since the -applicant was present at the be-
ginning of the meeting when the Commission post-poned the item to the end
of the agenda, but is not present now.
A consensus was reached unanimously on the following items: modification
of the driveway should be made; no objection to the house location, but
they suggested the garage be detached and moved further down the hill to-
wards the street; there is a considerable amount of surface grading and
2800 yards is excessive. I
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Mr. Turner explained that all of the grading activity proposed now is cut
and that if the concept is changed, there could -be fill also; therefore,
although it may change the way the grading occurs, it may not change the
volume.
Mr. McTaggart felt the same volume of grading on a better plan could be
acceptable.
Mr. Rosenberg proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Hughes, to table Grading
Application No. 152 until such time as revised grading plans are presented
to the City.
Mr. McTaggart directed Staff to indicate to Mr. Slauta that this item will
not be continued again for the benefit of Mr. Forbes if he is unable to
attend the meeting. He further said that if the applicant does not choose
to revise the plan, this item will be first on the agefida at the next meet-
ing.
Roll call vote on the above motion was as follows:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ADJOURNMENT
Bacharach, Blue, Hughes, Rosenberg, McTaggart
None
None
At 10:15 p.m. it was moved, seconded
and carried to adjourn to Thursday,
April 28, 1977, at 7:30 p.m.
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