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City of Rancho Palos Verdes
Planning Commission
Regular Adjourned Meeting
September 14, 1976
The meeting was called to order at 7:38 p.m. in the City Council Chambers,
30942 Hawthorne Boulevard by Chairperson Shaw.
PRESENT: Blue (arrived at 9:25 p.m.), Hughes, McTaggart,
Rosenberg, and Shaw
ABSENT: None
Also present were Director of Planning Sharon Hightower, Associate Plan-
ners Larry Davis and Gary Weber.
MINUTES APPROVAL Mrs. Shaw proposed amending the
minutes of August 10, on page 5,
under Commissioners' Report, by add-
ing to the end of the first paragraph "Mrs. Shaw reminded ..............
..... August 11, 1976, and reported on the disposition of two planning
matters by the City Council at its previous meeting."
On motion of Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. McTaggart, the minutes of
August 10, 1976, and the revisions to said minutes were unanimously
approved (Mr. Blue was absent) with the amendment as noted above.
The following revisions were proposed for the minutes of August 19, 1976:
On page 2, paragraph 6, third line, strike and to obtain the
opinion of the City Attorney concerning the approval of three transmit-
ting poles,....." Also on page 6, under Commissioners' Report, change
the date from September 17 to September 7.
On motion of Mr. McTaggart, seconded by Mr. Hughes, the minutes of
August 19, 1976, were unanimously approved (Mr. Blue was absent) with the
above amendments.
The Commission requested that the minutes from the joint City Council/
Planning Commission meeting of August 11, 1976, be changed to reflect
that Mr. Blue was absent.
COMMUNICATION Mr. William Hauf, 7449 Via Lorado,
FROM AUDIENCE expressed concern about the status
of the Grading Ordinance revisions,
as he has had a project pending for
about nine months, awaiting these revisions.
Director Hightower said the staff would have a draft to the Commission
by the following meeting, and the Commission explained to Mr. Hauf that
they would schedule a workshop meeting as soon as they receive the draft.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT #14 Mrs. Shaw explained that this was a
TENTATIVE TRACT NO. 32614 continued public hearing from the
Northwest corner Crenshaw & Crest meetings of July 13 and July 27,
Applicant: Great American Land 1976.
& Development
Mr. Davis gave the staff report, ex-
plaining that at the first meeting,
many concerns were expressed, including the close proximity of the homes
to neighboring structures and view obstruction. He said at the second
meeting, the applicant brought in a concept plan and that the consensus
of the Commission was to approve this plan with the removal of one unit,
elimination of the secondary loop street, and building heights not ex-
ceeding 16 feet above a grade plane located 15 feet from the subject
property line. He said the applicant has revised the tentative tract
map to conform with the concept plan and if approved, the City Council
gives final approval of the tentative tract map, but the conditional use
permit must be granted by the Planning Commission. He explained two
courses of action that the Commission may take, either formally or
i
informally approving a conditional use permit!&He said Staff recom-
mendation was to informally approve the conditional use permit, because
if the City Council makes changes to the tentative tract map, this could
also require changes in the conditional use permit.
Paul Thoryk, architect, showed elevations for some of the proposed homes
and said that none of the roof lines exceed the 16 -foot height limit,
adding that it was necessary for them to come up with some different
designs in order to accomplish this.
Nick Harrison, of E. L. Pearson, answered questions related to grading
and said the common open space area has been increased from 40 to 42
percent.
Bill Schworer, Great American Land and Development Company, explained
that a plan for tennis court lighting has not been prepared because they
wish to do a complete study on lighting before preparing or deciding on
a particular plan and, in fact, at this point, are -not sure they will have
lighting for the court. It was pointed out that one of the conditions in
the resolution required Planning Commission review and approval of the
tennis court lighting plan.
Wallace Williams, 5605 Sunmist, asked if anyone will be reviewing the
traffic pattern, and Mr. Davis replied that the Traffic Committee will
be reviewing the intersection of Crenshaw and Crest, studying existing
and future problems which may warrant signalization. Mr. Davis added
that as far as the project's entrance location, it seemed to be the
best solution.
As there were no other speakers, Mrs. Shaw closed the public hearing.
The Commission discussed approving the conditional use permit in concept,
and Mr. McTaggart suggested conditionally approving it.
Mr. McTaggart proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Hughes, to approve
Conditional Use Permit No. 14 subject to the condition that the City
Council makes no substantial alterations to the tentative tract map and
that no appeals are received on either the permit or the map. During
Commission discussion it was decided to make this condition part of
Exhibit "A", and the motion and the second were withdrawn.
Mr. Rosenberg proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. McTaggart, and unani-
mously carried, amending Exhibit "A" of Resolution No. 76-9 P.C. by
adding the following condition:
119. Approval of this conditional use permit is subject to the
approval of Tentative Tract Map No. 32614 by the City Council
without substantial changes or modifications hereto."
Mr. McTaggart proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Rosenberg, and unani-
mously carried, to adopt Resolution No. 76-9 P.C., approving Conditional
Use Permit No. 14 subject to the conditions listed in Exhibit "A", as
amended.
Mr. McTaggart proposed a motion, seconded by Mrs. Shaw, and unanimously
carried, to amend Exhibit "A", attached to the memorandum to the City
Council regarding Tentative Tract Map No. 32614 as follows:
Page 1, item 2, paragraph 4, changed to read "A grading plan
as required by Chapter 6, Part 6, of the City's ............"
Mr. McTaggart proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Rosenberg, and unani-
mously carried, to forward the report (included in the Commissioners'
agenda packets tonight) recommending to the City Council approval of
Tentative Tract Map No. 32614 sub3ect to the conditions listed in
Exhibit "A", as amended, with the following change to the memorandum:
Paragraph 1, sentence 2, delete "informal" -- sentence should
read "The Commission has granted approval of ..............."
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT #16 Mrs. Shaw opened the public hearing
TENTATIVE TRACT NO. 32744 on this item, which had been con -
Porto Verde Apartments, Beachview tinued from the meetings of July 27
& Nantasket Drives and August 10, 1976, at the appli-
Applicant: Porto Verde Associates/ cant's request.
E. L. Pearson
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Director Hightower g e the staff report explain*g that this request
was for the condominium conversion of an existing 216 apartment unit
complex, plus the addition of 3.31 acres proposed to contain a two-level
garage and recreational area, vacating the existing alley. She briefly
described the existing complex as a 114 -unit adult two-bedroom section
with subterranean parking and said the older section contained 102 family
units with semi -subterranean parking, adding that all have exterior
access. She said staff was concerned about the units being stacked,
three stories, and wondered if these units were suitable for condominiums.
She said the City Attorney has reviewed the CC&Rs and found them to be
satisfactory with some revisions. She told the Commission they may
approve even if the project does not meet all of the requirements, as
long as it does meet the intent. She said major considerations under the
code were parking, sound measurements, private open space and storage
space; and that major issues regarding the General Plan were the type of
housing and type of ownership. She said the General Plan discourages
condominium conversions because they further limit the economic range of
housing in the city.
Don Davis, of E. L. Pearson, 1555 Redondo Beach Boulevard, Gardena, re-
viewed the history of the area prior to city incorporation and said this
development was the first of what was to be several apartment complexes
in the area according to the County Master Plan.
He explained that they have a high turnover as a rental development due
to the isolation of the project and the signing restrictions in the
city. He explained that the proposed new 143 parking spaces provide
more than 2-1 parking, that 29 on-site quest parking spaces will be pro-
vided, individual storage closets of five feet square or more were pro-
posed, and he felt the on-site recreational facilities and landscaping
would enhance the entire area. He pointed out that the development would
be 1/4 recreational and 3/4 dwelling units. He felt that condominiums
were ideal as single person households, and that there are many people
who don't want or need a large area, but do want the benefits of ownership.
He referred to the applicant's report, after page 24, where they tried
to illustrate in graphic form those items which do comply, those items
which will comply, and those items which do not comply.
The Commission was particularly concerned with the plumbing and noise
transmission and felt these may be two of the most important issues.
Mr. Blue arrived at this point in the meeting, being 9:25 p.m.
The Commission questioned the applicant on the plumbing system, how the
percentage of vacancies compares with other rentals in the area, the
square footage of the units, and the opinion was expressed that the con-
cept of a condominium in this city was that it be, in as many ways as
possible, comparable to a single family home.
At 9:45 p.m. a brief recess was
called. The meeting reconvened at
9:53 p.m. with the same members
present.
As there were no further speakers, Mrs. Shaw closed the public hearing,
reserving the right to re -open the hearing at a later time. The con-
sensus of the Commission after discussion was that although they had some
serious reservations about this project, they were not willing to close
the door on it at this point, and wanted to do a thorough inspection and
obtain some concrete data regarding existing conditions and particularly
they wanted to be sure that the sound requirements have been met. Concern
was again expressed about the plumbing and water systems. They requested
that Staff prepare its recommendations for the Commission's review at
its next meeting. Director Hightower did not feel there would be diffi-
culty in preparing this by the next meeting, as long as the Commission
was not asking for specific recommendations as they might find in a
resolution.
On motion by Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. McTaggart, and unanimously
carried, Conditional Use Permit No. 16 and Tentative Tract No. 32744
was tabled until such a time as staff could prepare the necessary mater-
ials and place this item back on the agenda.
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PERM # q 17 Mr. Weber 0e the staff report, ex -
CONDITIONAL USE P ,
VARIANCE #8 plaining that at the public hearing
GRADING #83 of August 10, the Commission gave
5721 West Crestridge tentative approval on the parking
Applicant: Congregation Ner Tamid variance and the building height
variance, but requested revision be
made on the front landscaping/parking
variance and the building setback variance, and that public hearing had
been continued to this meeting. Mr. Weber said revised plans have been
submitted and that the classroom/administration building has been re-
located five feet from the east property line. He said the plans also
show an increased front landscaped area and an increase in the size of
the parking stalls. Staff recommendation is that these revisions be
approved, that the grading be approved and that a railing be required on
all retaining walls which exceed thirty inches.
Mrs. Shaw re -opened the public hearing.
Seymour Cagen, appearing on behalf of the Congregation, had some questions
regarding the wording of the resolution and conditions, which were an-
swered to his satisfaction by Staff and the Commission.
As there were no additional speakers, Mrs. Shaw closed the public hearing.
In discussing the findings which the Commission is required to establish
in granting a variance, the Commission determined the following:
Re Finding 6.a. (as shown in the draft resolution), the Commission
felt the intended use was unique in the area, there are no
established development patterns existing within the area,
and that the County's 25 -foot access easement does not allow
for the total use of the subject property.
Specifically, on the parking variance, the intended activities
of the various buildings will not be occurring at the
same time and due to the joint parking agreements with
neighboring facilities.
Specifically, on the front setback parking and landscaping,
because of the loss of uses within the 25 -foot access
easement on the eastern property line and the orientation
of adjacent residential uses.
Specifically, on the height variance, the area exceeding the
limit is minor in scope and is not violating the spirit
of the ordinance.
Specifically, on the building setback variance, the 25 -foot
access easement does not allow for full usage on the
western portion of the property.
Re Finding 6.b., the Commission felt the existence of the 25 -foot
access easement does not allow for full usage of the property
which is possessed by most other properties.
Re Finding 6.c., the Commission felt with the development patterns
within the area, the facility's orientation to existing resi-
dences to the south, and location within an institutional
district, the granting of these variances would not be detri-
mental.
Re Finding 6.d., they felt the intended use is not contrary to the
General Plan.
The Commission requested that Staff insert the above findings into the
resolution in proper form, changing the wording if necessary, to express
the intent of the Commission; said resolution in its final form to be
reviewed by the Chairperson.
Mr. Rosenberg proposed a motion, seconded by Mr. Blue, and unanimously
carried, to adopt Resolution No. 76-10 P.C., granting Conditional Use
Permit No. 17 and Variance No. 8 for the construction of a religious
facility.
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Mr. McTaggart propost) a motion, seconded by mroolue, and unanimously
carried, to approve Grading Application No. 83, for the religious
facility.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT #18
28503 Highridge Road
Applicant: Don C. Wallace
be no problems with the lease
and also that he had made some
Mrs. Shaw explained that the public
hearing on this item had been closed
at the meeting of August 10, and Mr.
Weber explained that the City Attorney
indicated that he felt there would
as written between Mr. Wallace and Motorola,
changes to the proposed resolution.
After a brief discussion, Mr. McTaggart moved to adopt Resolution No.
76-11 P.C. (as rewritten by the City Attorney) approving Conditional Use
Permit No. 18, subject to the conditions as listed in Exhibit "A". This
motion was seconded by Mr. Blue and carried with Mr. Rosenberg dissenting.
SPECIAL ANIMAL PERMIT #7 Mr. Rosenberg moved to approve the
5229 Silver Arrow Drive motion submitted by staff (at the
Applicant: James Mitchell request of the Commission at its
last meeting) approving Special
Animal Permit No. 7, subject to
certain conditions and with the findings as listed in the Staff memorandum.
This motion was seconded by Mr. McTaggart and carried with Mrs. Shaw
dissenting and Mr. Blue abstaining.
SIGN PERMIT #1 Director Hightower explained that
28311 Ridgehaven Drive the applicant was requesting, for
Applicant: Dayton Realty two temporary real estate advertis-
ing signs, a time extension until
all of the units are sold. Staff
recommendation is to approve the time extension, until March 9, -1-91-6-.,/1'7
On motion by Mr. Blue, seconded by Mr. Hughes, the request for a time
extension of Sign Permit No. 1 was granted until March 9, 1-9-7-6-, with
the dissenting vote from Mr. Rosenberg. /1'77
Since the applicant for agenda item no. 6. a. was not present, the
Commission changed the order of the agenda to take item no. 6. b first.
PARCEL MAP NO. 6879 Mr. Weber said that the request was
10, 12, and 14 Diamonte Lane for the realignment of property
Applicants: O. Merlene Kovacs lines and described the location and
Lowell & Maxine Black size, etc. of subject lots, pointing
Melvin & Judith Rowan out that no new lots would be
generated and no improvements were
requested by the applicants, and
explaining that the purpose was to straighten the lot lines. He further
explained that, if approved, each of the lots would meet minimum lot size
requirements. Staff recommendation is for approval with conditions.
Two of the applicants, Mr. Rowan and Mrs. Kovacs, were present and ex-
plained that at present, the applicants were maintaining each other's
properties. Both applicants expressed concern over the condition staff
has recommended in Exhibit "A" that the discrepancy on the County maps
be resolved prior to approval of the final map.
The Commission discussed removing this condition from the Exhibit, and
Mr. Rosenberg moved that Resolution No. 76-12 P.C. be adopted, approving
Parcel Map No. 6879, granting the lot line adjustments subject to con-
dition no. 1, listed in Exhibit "A". This motion was seconded by Mr.
Blue and was unanimously approved.
On motion by Mr. Rosenberg, seconded by Mr. Blue, and unanimously carried,
staff was directed to work with the applicable County agencies to resolve
this discrepancy as indicated by parcel map.
RECESS At 11:40 p.m. a brief recess was
called. The meeting reconvened at
11:44 p.m. with the same members
present.
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GRADING #80
30176 Rhone
Applicant: Rogelio Herrero
and that considering the steepness
the grading of the 775 cubic yards
tion is for approval.
Mr. I Weber ocribed the project and
the nature of the lot and said that
the applicant has attempted to work
with the slopes, has revised the
plan to minimize view obstruction,
of the lot and the access problems,
is not excessive. Staff recommenda-
The Commission discussed the problems the applicant has had with such a
difficult lot, particularly with such a large house as is proposed, and
felt that the applicant made as many revisions to the plan as is possible.
On motion by Mr. Blue, seconded by Mr. McTaggart, and unanimously carried,
Grading Application No. 80 was approved based on the applicant's attempt
to work with the slope and the submission of a design which minimizes
view obstruction.
STAFF REPORTS Director Hightower said that the
City Council would like a status
report from the Commission, updating
staff priorities, with the signature of the chairperson.
COMMISSION REPORTS Mr. McTaggart reported on the City
Council meeting which he attended on
September 7, explaining that he was
questioned as to the Commission status of the tree trimming and grading
ordinances. Regarding the antenna ordinance, Mr. McTaggart said that
this item may come back to the Planning Commission.
Mrs. Shaw also noted that the City Council at its last meeting waived
the appeal fee for the Reagan's who wished to appeal the decision of
Minor Exception Permit No. 6.
Director Hightower explained that the Council also made "construction on
Sundays" a priority item, as well as setting up criteria for appeal fees,
whether some appeals are automatically heard, etc.
The Commission discussed whether they should schedule a work session or
a public hearing for the proposed grading ordinance revisions. on motion
of Mr. McTaggart, seconded by Mr. Blue, and unanimously carried, the
Commission directed that public hearing be scheduled for the grading
ordinance at the earliest possible date, allowing enough time forlegal
notice.
Mr. McTaggart wondered about amending the code'Vequiringa—pa-r-t-i:-cu-1-ar
-t-y-pe—o-f- pipes to be used in the City, and also amending the parking
ordinance to allow for so many compact cars and to encourage the use of
such.
ADJOURNMENT
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At 12:13 a.m., it was moved, seconded
and carried to adjourn the meeting
to September 28, 1976.