PC MINS 20131008 Approved
November 12, 2013
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 8, 2013
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Emenhiser at 7:05 p.rn, at the Fred
Hesse Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Nelson led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present., Commissioners Gerstner, Lewis, Nelson, Tetreault, Tomblin, and Vice
Chairman Leon, Chairman Emenhiser
Absent: None
Also present were Community Development Director Rojas, Associate Planner Kim, and
Associate Planner Mikhail.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chairman Emenhiser suggested moving agenda item No. 2 to be heard first, followed
by agenda item No, 3 and agenda item No. 1. The Commission unanimously agreed.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Rojas reported that at their October 18t meeting the City Council adopted the
Ordinance expanding the notification for City Tree Review Permits, approved the final
content of the draft Housing Element, and agreed to purchase open space in Malaga
Canyon, which is related to an item on tonight's agenda. He also reported that at the
upcoming October 15th meeting the City Council will consider a possible code
amendment related to modifying the construction hours.
Director Rojas distributed sixteen items of late correspondence related to agenda item
No. 3.
Commissioner Tetreault reported the he responded to an email related to agenda item
No. 3, but with no substantial comments.
Vice Chairman Leon reported on his attendance at the Mayor's Breakfast as well as the
PBCA meeting.
Commissioner Nelson reported that he attended the CJPIA meeting with the City
Council on Saturday, October 5Ih
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda items):
None
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Heic
Iht Variation and Site Plan Review (Case No. ZON2013-00317): 29137
Covecrest Drive
Associate Planner Kim presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the project
and the need for the two applications. She stated that staff determined that, given the
additions are not very visible and the entry addition will be recessed back from the
garage fagade, staff felt the bulk and mass of the resulting residence will be relatively
the same as the existing residence. She noted there are no substantial changes
proposed to the setbacks and the height will remain the same. Therefore, staff was
able to make all of the necessary findings and was recommending approval of the
Height Variation and Site Plan Review.
Chairman Emenhiser opened the public hearing, and there being no speakers, closed
the public hearing.
Commissioner Nelson moved to approve the project as recommended and
conditioned' by staff, seconded by Vice Chairman Leon. The motion was
approved, thereby approving PC Resolution 2013-22 (7-0).
3. Revision to Coastal Permit, Grading Permit, & Site Plan Review (Case No.
ZON2012-00141): 3344 Palos Verdes Drive West
Vice Chairman Leon disclosed he is in the process of inheriting a home on Via
Cambron, but believed it is more than 500 feet from the subject property. He noted he
does not own the property at this time, and he did not think this would have any bearing
on his decision on this hearing.
Associate Planner Mikhail presented the staff report, beginning with a background of the
project and the previous approval. She discussed view corridors outlined in the City's
Coastal Specific Plan, noting the subject site is not within one of the identified view
corridors. She also explained that properties outside of a view corridor are subject to a
Guideline in the Coastal Specific Plan that discusses a two-degree down arc from a
viewing station. She displayed several photos of the new, revised silhouette on the
property as seen from Palos Verdes Drive West and the walking trail along the public
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right-of-way. She briefly discussed the previously approved project at the site, and the
Commission's reasons for approving the Coastal Permit. She displayed a site plan of
the revised proposed project, noting the size of the residence is the same, however the
ridgeline is lower and the garage has been reduced in size. She noted the increase in
grading quantity due to the proposed revisions. She stated that staff feels the increase
in grading quantity is minimal compared to the reduction in impacts the applicant has
proposed in reducing the ridgeline and increasing the front setback.
Director Rojas explained that this project was previously before the Commission, a
decision was made, and there was no appeal of that decision. Because this is a
Coastal Permit, the City is required to give notice to the Coastal Commission of all final
City decisions. As a result of that notice, the decision was appealed by the Coastal
Commission, explaining at that point it is out of the City's hands and between the
applicant and the Coastal Commission staff. He noted that in this case a solution was
worked out that addressed the Coastal Commission's concerns. Staff was notified of
the changes and the applicant submitted a revised project that is back before the
Planning Commission. He explained that since this is a de novo hearing the entire
project is before the Commission, not just the revisions.
Chairman Emenhiser asked staff why the Coastal Commission had concerns about this
particular project.
Director Rojas answered that their concern was the blockage of views from the public
right-of-way.
Commissioner Tetreault discussed the viewing station and viewing plane that is
referenced in the Coastal Specific Plan, noting it is a guideline and not an actual part of
the Development Code. He questioned what this guideline refers to.
Director Rojas explained this property does not fall within a view corridor, and the
Coastal Specific Plan discusses protecting views from viewing stations. The guideline
is to help guide the City to meet the goal of minimizing views from public rights —of-way.
Commissioner Tetreault asked where the two degree downward arc is calculated from
in relation to this particular property.
Associate Planner Mikhail stated that it would be from a standing position on an
adjoining public trail, explaining that when driving on Palos Verdes Drive West this
property only impacts a small percentage of the total view. Thus, staff felt that walking
down the trail on Palos Verdes Drive West was a more applicable viewing station.
Commissioner Tetreault questioned how staff determines a viewing station.
Director Rojas read from the August 2012 staff report which explained how staff
determined the viewing station for this project and how the down arc was calculated.
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Chairman Emenhiser opened the public hearing.
Louie Tomaro (applicant/architect) explained he has revised the plans by lowering the
building and pushing it back ten feet. He briefly discussed his communications with the
Coastal Commission, noting that clear findings by the Coastal Commission were made
that the home will not be in a specific view corridor, that there was an original home on
the property that blocked views from Palos Verdes Drive West, and there have been a
number of projects recently approved in the area that are similar in scale. He noted the
Coastal Commission asked him to provide a clear horizon view over the structure, which
he has done. He noted that the Coastal Commission is now in support of the proposed
project.
Commissioner Tetreault asked Mr. Tomaro what the elevation of the two degree down
arc was in regards to the maximum ridgeline of the residence.
Mr. Tomaro answered that he did not calculate that, as the house has moved ten feet
further back on the property. He estimated the elevation to be approximately 268.5.
Commissioner Tetreault asked if the silhouette currently on the property was adjusted to
reflect the current proposal.
Mr. Tomaro answered that the silhouette on the property reflects the current proposal.
Commissioner Tetreault noted that none of the photos presented by staff shows a view
from the street looking straight across the property. He felt that from Palos Verdes
Drive West, heading south, this project does not appear to provide a clear horizon view
over the structure. He noted the top of the silhouette is above the horizon line when he
was standing on the walkway along Palos Verdes Drive West, noting all he could see
was the very tops of the peaks on Catalina Island. He asked, if the Coastal
Commission asked that he provide a clear horizon view over the structure, from what or
where they were referring to.
Mr. Tomaro explained that Coastal Commission staff visited the property and spent
quite a bit of time on this subject. He stated the viewing station was directly in the
middle of the property from the view of a person walking on the decomposed granite
walking path on Palos Verdes Drive West.
Commissioner Tetreault took exception, noting that he went to the property specifically
to see the horizon line from the position Mr. Tomaro just described, and he could not
see the ocean or the horizon line at all due to the proposed structure.
Mr. Tomaro stated he has communication from Coastal Commission staff confirming
they were in support of the project with the ridgeline at the current proposed height. He
added that he would not want to go through this process again without the support of
the Coastal Commission, and if the Planning Commission approves this project the
Coastal Commission will once again be notified.
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Commissioner Tomblin asked Mr. Tomaro to discuss the proposed landscaping.
Mr. Tomaro explained the Coastal Commission asked for a condition to address and
control the height of the landscaping. He referred to condition No. 41 of the Resolution.
Raju Chabbria spoke in support of the project, noting the architect and owner have
worked very closely with the Coastal Commission to get this far with the project.
Ramesh Khosla stated that he is the father of the owner and that they have taken
almost everything into consideration with this design. He assured the Commission that
everything will be taken care of and they will build a good house that everyone will be
proud of.
Jason Sikola did not feel this house conforms to the Coastal Specific Plan guidelines.
He questioned why the lot could not be graded lower. He felt rules were stretched for
this project and questioned if the City has done their due diligence. He referred to the
homes built at Oceanfront Estates, and noted they are built at a level quite a bit lower
than the street level. He stated he did not previously contest this project, however if the
Planning Commission approves the current project he will contest it with the City and
the Coastal Commission.
Nick Stiassni pointed out on a photo where he lives, noting there is nobody who is more
affected by this project more than he and his family. He noted the owners have met
with him several times and been very concerned about maintaining his privacy. He
stated he is very comfortable with the proposed project and was in favor of the project
as presented.
Commissioner Lewis asked staff if there was anything in the existing conditions of
approval that documents the requirement that someone standing on the trail at a given
point can see the horizon, as required by the Coastal Commission.
Director Rojas answered there is currently no such condition.
Commissioner Lewis asked staff if they would object to a condition being added that
said following the completion of construction, someone standing at a specified point on
the trail should be able to see the horizon.
Director Rojas answered the Commission can add that condition of approval, noting that
can most likely be verified during the framing process.
Shamita Khosla (owner) distributed a photo of the property to the Commission to view
and stated they have worked very hard to get to this point and would like to build their
home in this community,
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Commissioner Tetreault stated he had a question for the person who took the photo the
Commission was currently viewing,
Ravi Khosla (owner) stated his dream when he purchased this property was to build a
two-story home like the one on the neighboring property. However, going through the
process he realized it was not right and therefore chose to build a home that does not
require any type of variance from the Development Code.
Commissioner Tetreault asked Mr. Khosla where he was standing when he took the
photo that was distributed.
Mr. Khosla answered he took the photo while they were going through the process with
the Coastal Commission staff and he was standing on the walkway on Palos Verdes
Drive West.
Commissioner Lewis asked Mr. Khosla if he would be agreeable to a condition of
approval that the final structure be below the horizon line from the viewpoint
documented in Mr. Khosla's photograph.
Mr. Khosla answered he would be agreeable to such a condition.
Commissioner Lewis asked that a copy of the picture that was distributed be given to
staff to be part of the record.
Lenee Bilski stated she sent a letter in with detailed comments about the project, and
was happy the Coastal Commission had the same concerns. She stated she was not
opposed to the owner building on his property, but was opposed to the project as
presented as it protrudes into the public views. She stated the City has a Coastal
Specific Plan, and this project site being within the coastal zone, is therefore subject to
that program. She saw no indication that the grade has been lowered to comply with
the appeal to lower the ridgeline to preserve and protect the public views. She felt if the
Commission allows this developer to put aside the foundations that are the policy of the
Coastal Specific Plan they will be setting a precedent for not only the City but coastal
properties throughout California. She stated that all of Palos Verdes Drive West and
Palos Verdes Drive South are considered a visual corridor and therefore should be
observed as such, and the developer should follow the standards in place. She also
questioned the measurement from eye level, and felt that the measurement should be
lowered to be eye level from a vehicle. She felt the property should be graded down
lower to bring it into compliance.
Louie Tomaro (in rebuttal) stated that the Coastal Commission saw that the original
proposal did not meet the intent of what they wanted, while this current proposal was
approved and meets the intent of the LCP. He also noted that the view provided with
this proposal is far improved from what it was when the original house with large trees
were on the property. He stated the Coastal Commission acknowledged the view is
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being enhanced and also acknowledged they are trying to be consistent with their
approvals, noting the three previously approved projects on Palos Verdes Drive.
Chairman Emenhiser closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Lewis stated he had voted to approve the project when it was previously
before the Commission and he hasn't heard anything at this meeting to change that
vote. He noted that the applicant has stated the Coastal Commission was in support of
the project if the ridgeline of the home were lowered sufficiently to make the horizon
visible.
Commissioner Lewis moved to adopt staff's recommendation, with an additional
condition added that the final ridgeline be lower than the horizon from the point
where a pedestrian is standing on the path on Palos Verdes Drive West at the
mid-point of the lot looking out towards the ocean.
Director Rojas clarified that staff will write the condition so that the ridgeline cannot be
higher than the ridgeline level depicted by the existing silhouette on the property, as
shown in the submitted photograph. In addition, he felt that the height of the pedestrian
should be clarified. He explained that in the August 2012 staff report, staff took a five
foot measurement from the 268 elevation on the path, Coastal Commission staff was at
the site, and others may have taken pictures from the site, all at different heights. He
did not want to set up the situation where someone walks by the property and
complains they cannot see the horizon and therefore the house has to be lowered.
Commissioner Lewis moved to amend his motion to clarify the measurement be
taken from a six foot point above the path level, and that the photo displayed by
staff be added as an attachment to the Resolution as a reference, seconded by
Commissioner Nelson.
Commissioner Tetreault briefly reviewed the history of the approvals on this property,
and noted that when this project was before the Commission in 2012 he voted to
approve the project. However, looking back to a 1999 City approval, he felt that if this
was the basis by which the Planning Commission approved the project, they were
factually incorrect with their reasoning, explaining that at a ridgeline height of 275.75
feet, which is what the ridgeline would have been, there is no view of the ocean. He felt
he established that with his site visit when he stood on the path, at a point at the center
of the property, and could not see the horizon over the silhouette. He noted that is at
the 272.5 elevation, which is lower than the original 275,75 feet. He also referred to
staff's presentation, noting staff did not present a picture of the silhouette from the point
being described. However, staff did present pictures of the silhouette taken from
different angles and staff did comment that the flags on the silhouette were above the
horizon line and remained that way consistently while walking the pathway. Therefore,
he felt this is a project that appears, by the evidence before the Commission, to allow
for no ocean view and very little Catalina Island view for anyone walking along this
pathway. He felt the City has Ordinances, the Coastal Specific Plan, and Guidelines to
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help protect the shared public resource of views. He stated that, when looking at the
Coastal Commission's appeal of this project and their reasoning behind it, he made a
mistake when he voted in favor of this project last year. He felt that more things could
be done to help restore the horizon line and therefore could not support the project as
presented.
Commissioner Lewis asked Commissioner Tetreault if the condition he added in his
motion would give him a level of comfort that there would be a horizon view.
Commissioner Tetreault understood, however he also knew how things get built, and
felt that once the structure was at the point where one can actually see that there is a
problem, they will most likely be hundreds of thousands of dollars into the construction.
He questioned what the City will do at that point if the structure is too high. He stated
the plan before the Commission shows a structure at 272.5 feet and he cannot approve
that.
Vice Chairman Leon stated he looked up the average height of women and men in the
United States, and felt that a five-foot viewing height, as opposed to a six-foot viewing
height, would more closely reflect the average height. He felt the condition suggested
by Commissioner Lewis is draconian enough to ensure that the public view is protected
and would encourage the applicant to check the height a bit more thoroughly during
construction. Therefore, with this condition he felt he could support the project.
Commissioner Nelson felt the applicant has exercised extreme patience under a
situation of maximum duress. He noted the applicant has support of the neighbor most
affected by the construction, there are other homes nearby at a similar or higher
elevation, and there was a home previously on the property that offered less of an
ocean view as the currently proposed project. He can therefore support the project as
conditioned by Commissioner Lewis.
Commissioner Tomblin stated that he voted to support the previous project, and would
vote again to support the current project. He stated he also supports Commissioner
Lewis' amendment to help mitigate the view discrepancies.
Commissioner Gerstner stated he also supported the previous project and will again
support this project. He appreciated what the Coastal Commission has done in
appealing this project and the eventual outcome, and felt this is a better project because
of it. As to the proposed condition, he explained he is always concerned that conditions
do not have enough teeth to them, and if there is a condition that says the horizon line
must be maintained then he would expect that to be the case. If it means additional
work must be done to meet this condition he would put it on the architect and owner to
make sure that happens.
Commissioner Tetreault asked for what purpose the displayed photo would be used.
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Commissioner Lewis explained that the photo represents what the Coastal Commission
would approve if it goes back to them. Therefore, he felt the photo would be used as a
benchmark and what it is compared with is a photo taken of the project as built. He
agreed with the Vice Chairman's comment about the average height of people and was
comfortable lowering the viewing height by two inches. He stated that his intention with
this added condition was to make it a draconian condition and require the viewing line
be strictly complied with.
Commissioner Lewis moved to amend his motion that the view be taken from a
standing height of five feet ten inches on the path, rather than six feet, seconded
by Vice Chairman Leon.
Chairman Emenhiser stated he was in the minority by voting against this project
originally, and would probably be in the minority again. He did feel the project has been
improved and will be built, and was troubled that the Coastal Commission has a higher
standard for coastal views than Rancho Palos Verdes.
Commissioner Lewis asked staff if they had language that could be read to the
Commission, or was this a case where the Resolution would have to come back to the
Commission for approval.
Director Rojas stated staff understands the motion and can craft a condition that meets
the motion, and it is up to the Commission if they want to see the condition before they
approve it. He added that he looked up the average difference of eye level to the top of
the head, which is five inches.
Commissioner Lewis calculated that if the height of the lens is at five feet ten inches, the
approximate height of the individual would be six feet two inches. Therefore, he
amended his motion that the height be five feet seven inches, seconded by
Commissioner Nelson.
Vice Chairman Leon stated that the typical way to determine if a structure is at the
correct height is, while in framing, a surveyor checks the height of the structure. He
would prefer setting a height above mean sea level that can be verified during the
framing stage.
At the request of the Chairman, Commissioner Lewis repeated his motion that the
Commission approve staff's recommendation with the added condition that the photo
being displayed be attached to the Resolution and that the final ridgeline be no higher
than what is depicted in the photograph as seen from a photo taken with a camera
taken at a height of five feet seven inches standing in the middle of the path at the mid-
point of the lot.
The motion was approved, thereby adopting PC Resolution 2013-23, (5-2) with
Commissioner Tetreault and Chairman Emenhiser dissenting.
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CONSENT CALENDAR
1. General Plan consistency finding: Malaga Canyon
Director Rojas presented a brief staff report, noting at their last meeting the City Council
authorized staff to execute two purchase agreements to buy approximately 58 acres of
open space from two different sellers. He explained the money will come from the
Federal Government to buy these properties, and the purpose of this Federal Grant is to
preserve habitat. He noted that in addition to the preservation of habitat, the City
Council noted the Conceptual Trails Plan has five trails that traverse these properties
and the purchase will allow the City the opportunity to implement these trails. In
addition, it will allow the City to do drainage work in the canyon area without having the
obtain easements over the properties. He explained that before the City can purchase
these properties the State Code requires the Planning Commission determine
consistency with the General Plan. Staff is recommending the Planning Commission
adopt the Resolution that acquisition is consistent with the City's General Plan.
Commissioner Lewis noted his home is within 500 feet of the area, and therefore
recused himself from the hearing. He left the dais.
Commissioner Nelson moved to approve staff's recommendation, seconded by
Commissioner Tetreault. The motion was approved and PC Resolution 2013-24
was approved, (6-0).
Commissioner Lewis returned to the dais.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
4. Pre-agenda for the meeting on October 22, 2103
The pre-agenda was reviewed and approved.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:10 p.m.
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