PC MINS 20111011 Approved
NovemberA, 2011
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES r
REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 11, 2011
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Tetreault at 7:05 p.m. at the Fred
Hesse Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Lewis led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Emenhiser, Gerstner, Knight, Leon, Lewis, and Vice
Chairman Tetreault.
Absent: Chairman Tomblin was excused.
Also present were Community Development Director Rojas and Associate Planner
Mikhail,
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was unanimously approved as presented.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Rojas reported that at their October 4th meeting the City Council introduced an
Ordinance that retains the Banner Sign Program with changes to the rules for display as
well as the selection of three new locations for the banners. The Director also noted
that at the forthcoming October 18th
meeting, the City council will consider an appeal of
the Planning Commission's denial of a second story addition to a residence on La
Garita Drive.
Director Rojas distributed one letter for agenda item No. 1 and two letters for agenda
item No. 3.
Vice Chairman Tetreault disclosed that he responded to an email he received directly
from the sender and directed that person to the RPV website to review the video in
regards to agenda item No. 1.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda items):
None
CONTINUED BUSINESS
1. Conditional Use Permit Revision 'A' (Case No. ZON2002-00216): 29941
Hawthorne Boulevard.
Commissioner Emenhiser stated that he reviewed the minutes from the September 13th
meeting and felt he could therefore participate in the discussion.
Commissioner Gerstner recused himself from this item and left the dais.
Associate Planner Mikhail presented the staff report, reviewing the current proposal
from the applicant for the property. She reviewed the Planning Commission concerns
that were raised at the September 13th meeting. She gave an overview of the Master
Sign Program as well as the proposed signage and proposed conditions of approval
that were added in response to the Commission's concerns. She reviewed the Planning
Commission's concerns in regards to the updated traffic analysis and vehicular
movement in and out of the project site and the responses from the City's senior
engineer and the city's traffic engineer. She discussed the on-site ATM and staffs
research of three ATMs along Hawthorne Boulevard, and discussed the mitigation
measure in regards to the ATM. She noted that in regards to site lighting, staff
amended some of the existing conditions of approval and added a few more. She
explained that staff is recommending approval of Revision 'A' as conditioned in the staff
report.
Commissioner Knight asked if there were turning restrictions added as part of the
conditions of approval.
Associate Planner Mikhail explained that the turning restrictions are not part of the
conditions of approval, but rather condition No. 18 requires that the applicant submit the
plan to the Public Works Department at which time the engineer will review the plan and
add appropriate restrictions.
Commissioner Knight referred to the traffic study and asked what the assumed use of
the building was in preparing the study.
Associate Planner Mikhail answered that the intended use of the building is a
combination bank and office use. She explained the Senior Engineer looked at the
actual square footage of a walk-in bank and assessed that square footage in terms of
her traffic count.
Commissioner Knight asked if the bank would be allowed to sublease out the offices to
individual businesses.
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Associate Planner Mikhail explained that that type of change would most likely require
some type of tenant improvement permit, and at that time she would assess the
proposal to determine if the use would require a revision to the Conditional use Permit.
Commissioner Knight referred to the lighting, and noted in the past the City has had
some problems with certain conditions of approval and having those requirements
translated into the actual installation of the lights. He asked staff what is different in
these conditions of approval that will prevent this problem.
Associate Planner Mikhail responded that the conditions of approval for the lighting
come directly from the Development Code. What is different is that staff is asking for a
two week inspection of the lighting as opposed to a six-month inspection so that if there
are issues they will be handled much quicker.
Commissioner Lewis asked staff if the conditions of approval include a six-month review
of the project.
Director Rojas answered that there is no six-month review on the overall Conditional
Use Permit however there is a two-week review of the lighting.
Commissioner Lewis asked how the City would respond if there is an issue with traffic
or any other non-lighting related issue.
Director Rojas stated a six-month review can be added if the Commission desires.
Associate Planner Mikhail pointed out that under condition No. 18, if in her review the
City's senior engineer feels there is a greater issue that affects the design, this issue will
come back to the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Lewis asked staff if the applicant agreed to all of the proposed conditions
of approval in regards to lighting and the ATM.
Associate Planner Mikhail answered that the applicant was in agreement with all of the
conditions of approval.
Commissioner Leon asked staff if the Public Works Department has conducted enough
of a review so that they feel the applicant can comply with the traffic conditions without
having to do onerous things.
Associate Planner Mikhail answered that the city engineer felt that, based on the project
design submitted and the proposed use, there is enough room under condition No. 18
where the applicant can put these requirements in without them being over
burdensome,
Director Rojas added that the city engineer's memo in the staff report speaks to the
issues and how they would be resolved.
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Dan Almquist (applicant) stated he was available for questions, as well as several of his
consultants for the project.
Commissioner Lewis asked Mr. Almquist if he was in agreement with all of the
conditions set forth by staff.
Mr. Almquist answered that he is in agreement with the conditions of approval.
Commissioner Lewis asked Mr. Almquist if he had an objection to the additional
condition that there be a six-month review of the project.
Mr, Almquist had no objection to a possible six-month review.
Steve Jonas (6510 Oceancrest Drive) stated his unit looks directly over the applicant's
property and supports the project, as long as the lighting is off after 10 p.m.
Vice Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Lewis explained that he has heard quite a bit of concern regarding the
traffic issues at the intersection of Crest Road and Hawthorne Boulevard. Therefore,
his support of the project would have to be conditioned on a six-month review in terms
of traffic and lighting.
Commissioner Lewis moved to approve the project as recommended by staff with
the added condition that there be a six-month review to review compliance with
the Conditional Use Permit, seconded by Commissioner Knight.
Vice Chairman Tetreault noted there is currently a condition of approval that lighting will
be reviewed in two weeks, and was this six month review in addition to the two-week
review.
Commissioner Lewis clarified that his intent was that the six-month review be in addition
to the two-week review and that the six-month review would be inclusive of everything
at the site.
Director Rojas asked the Commission if they also wanted to add a condition whereby
any change of use that increases parking demand requires a CUP revision.
Commissioner Lewis moved to amend his motion to add such a condition,
seconded by Commissioner Knight.
Commissioner Leon questioned if it was an increase in traffic rather than an increase in
parking that would trigger a Conditional Use Permit revision. For example, the addition
of a drive through ATM would increase traffic but have no demand on the existing
parking.
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Director Rojas stated that the condition of approval would be worded so that either a
change in parking demand or traffic would trigger the need for a CUP revision.
Vice Chairman Tetreault commented that he is in favor of this project, explaining he is
very aware of the concerns of the community upon traffic impacts and safety issues.
However, he did not think the Planning Commission is the body that does this type of
analysis, as there is a Public Works Department and Traffic Engineer who specifically
does this type of analysis. He felt the approval is well conditioned so that he has to meet
the requirements of the Public Works Department and the Traffic Engineer and with that
he feels confident this will be a project that will meet the Commission's expectations for
safety in that area.
The motion was approved, thereby adopting PC Resolution 2011-033, (5-0) with
Commissioner Gerstner recused.
Commissioner Gerstner returned to the dais.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Conditional Large Domestic Animal Permit (Case No. ZON2011-00201): 2
West Pomegranate
Associate Planner Mikhail presented the staff report, briefly explaining the history of this
Conditional Large Domestic Animal Permit and noting this application is a request to
extend the permit for an additional five years. She noted there were no issues found
and staff has determined they have been in compliance with their permit over the last
five years. She stated staff s recommendation is that the Planning Commission
recommend approval to the City Council for an additional five years. She added that
staff determined Commissioners Knight and Leon are not within the 500 foot radius and
therefore can take part and vote on this item.
Commissioner Leon disclosed that he was a member of the Portuguese Bend Pony
Club and was one of the original drafters of the application for the Conditional Large
Animal Permit. However, he has not been a member of the Club for the past four to five
years.
Director Rojas stated that as long as Commissioner Leon has no financial interest in the
Pony Club, that there is no conflict.
Commissioner Leon stated he has no financial interest in the Pony Club.
Commissioner Leon suggested that, now the Planning Commission is hearing the
Domestic Large Animal Permits, the Planning Commission make the final decision on
the extension of these permits and that decision is appealable to the City Council.
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Director Rojas clarified that this permit has a condition imposed by the City Council
which states the City Council will decide all future extensions. He noted that Conditional
Large Animal Permits typically would be acted on by the Planning Commission except
for those that involve non-profits, in which case the final decision is made by the City
Council. While the approval of this extension request by the Commission is not
required, this request is being brought to the Planning Commission to be consistent with
past practices. However, because this extension request is before the Commission in
an advisory role, the Commission may want to recommend to the City Council whether
future extensions should continue to be reviewed by the Planning Commission,
Vice Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
Marilyn Bacon (representing Portuguese Bend Pony Club) stated she is available to
answer any questions. The Commission had no questions.
Richard Bara (1 Peppertree Drive) asked the Commission to support the Pony Club and
grant the five year extension of the permit. He stated he is a direct neighbor of the
Pony Club and has always had good relations with the Club.
Vice Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Knight moved to recommend to the City Council that the five year
extension to the Conditional Large Animal Permit be granted, seconded by
Commissioner Emenhiser.
Commissioner Lewis moved to amend the motion to direct staff to seek City
Council feedback on the review procedure of future extensions, seconded by
Commissioner Leon.
Commissioner Knight accepted the amendment, seconded by Commissioner
Emenhiser.
The motion to recommend approval of the five year extension to the Conditional
Large Animal Permit, and direct staff to seek City Council feedback on the review
procedure of future extensions, thereby adopting PC Resolution 2011-034 was
adopted, (6-0).
NEW BUSINESS
3. Status update on the proposed Lower Point Vicente parking lot expansion
proiec
Director Rojas presented the staff report, briefly explaining the parking lot expansion
project. He stated the Coast Guard has approved an agreement which formalizes the
use of their lot for the parking lot expansion. Staff is currently waiting for the City
Attorney's review of the agreement, which should be finalized shortly. In terms of the
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Lower Point Vicente project, he noted that the Annenberg Foundation had agreed to
construct the parking lot expansion as a charitable donation, and though there has been
no discussion with the Annenberg Foundation about the status of the project, it is staffs
opinion that they are no longer going to build the parking lot extension. Staff has
discussed the situation with the City Manager's office and it is staffs position that the
issue of what, if any, improvements to pursue at Lower Point Vicente be taken to the
next City Council to seek direction. He stated this is an approved application, however
there currently is no funding for the project.
Commissioner Emenhiser asked staff if they had considered asking the Annenberg
Foundation about their intentions for the parking lot expansion.
Director Rojas answered that staff does not have communication with the Annenberg
Foundation, but he would discuss it with the City Manager.
Commissioner Knight asked if there is a time limitation on when the project must be
started.
Director Rojas explained the project was approved through a Conditional Use Permit,
which is typically valid for one year from approval, which can be extended.
Commissioner Lewis noted the approval was given in February 2010, and asked if the
Permit has therefore already expired.
Director Rojas stated he would look at the approvals, however if the Permit has expired
the Code does allow for an expired permit to be re-issued.
Vice Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
Sharon Yarber stated she would like to know what the time line is for the City Attorney's
review of the document from the Coast Guard. She noted that the City Attorney's office
has had this seven page document for a year and the review has not yet taken place.
She also asked who staff talked to at the National Park Service and/or OGALS when
they received the verbal agreement that the revised parking lot project complied with the
POU and the deed restrictions. She commented that when a written request for
confirmation of this agreement was made it was not forthcoming. She questioned why
no written confirmation of that approval was obtained.
Vice Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Knight asked staff to comment on Ms. Yarber's questions.
Director Rojas responded to the first question, explaining that the document from the
Coast Guard was not a high priority with staff or the City Attorney given that it was
simply to formalize an agreement that the City already has with the Coast Guard in
regards to use of the Coast Guard's overflow lot on an add-needed basis, which has
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been going on for years. The Coast Guard has said they have no problem if it
continues without the signed agreement. However, knowing Ms. Yarber had a concern,
Director Rojas stated he has talked to the City Attorney and the document will be dealt
with shortly. Regarding the issue of deed restrictions, he explained that during two
separate meetings with the National Park Service and OGALS staff had asked if the
approved parking lot project is consistent with the deed restrictions, at which time they
answered it is consistent. Despite asking several times to get this position in writing,
neither OGALS nor the National Park Service has provided any written documentation
of their position. The Annenberg Foundation was reluctant to start construction of the
project until said written documents were received.
Commissioner Lewis felt that there have been instances in the past where opportunities
have been offered to the City where he did not think staff acted in a timely manner, and
the opportunities were lost or almost lost. In this instance the Annenberg Foundation
offered an opportunity to finish the parking lot in the form of an unconditional gift, and
the opportunity has not been seized in a timely fashion. He felt this will be a good
opportunity for the new City Council to look at how this situation was handled and
assess whether or not changes in the way future such projects are handled.
Commissioner Lewis moved that the handling of the parking lot project be sent to
the City Council as its own item, for their review after January 1, 2012, seconded
by Commissioner Emenhiser.
Commissioner Lewis explained he wants to raise to the City Council level the way this
parking lot issue was handled and see if the City Council has any changes they want to
make to City practices in the way future opportunities such as this are handled to better
benefit the City.
The motion was approved, (6-0).
4. Possible rescheduling of the November 8, 2011 Planning Commission
meeting
Director Rojas stated that if the Commission would like to not have it's regularly
scheduled November 8th' meeting, because it is also election night, staff is
recommending three options: 1) Rescheduling the meeting to Thursday November 10th
or because there is only one item on the agenda, 2) Cancel the November 8th meeting
altogether, or 3) Cancel the meeting scheduled for November 22nd, and have any items
scheduled for that meeting heard at the November 1 oth meeting,
Commissioner Lewis moved to cancel the November 8, 2011 meeting and have
the regularly scheduled meeting on November 22nd, seconded by Commissioner
Emenhiser. Approved without objection.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
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6. Minutes of September 13, 2011
Commissioner Leon moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded by
Commissioner Knight. Approved, (4-0-2) with Commissioners Emenhiser and
Gerstner abstaining since they were absent from the meeting.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
6. Pre-A-genda for the meeting on October 25, 2011
The pre-agenda was reviewed and approved.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 8.33 p.m.
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