PC MINS 20100223 Approved
March 23, 2010
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES ��
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 23, 2010
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Lewis at 7:15 p.m. at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Emenhiser led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Emenhiser, Knight, Leon, Tetreault, Tomblin, Vice
Chairman Gerstner, and Chairman Lewis.
Absent: None
Also present were Community Development Director Rojas, Deputy Community
Development Director Pfost, Principal Planner Mihranian, Assistant City Attorney Snow,
and City EIR Consultants Abe Lieder and Matthew Maddox from Rincon.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was revised to hear item No. 3 before item No. 1.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Rojas distributed 22 items of correspondence for agenda item No. 3 and an
archived staff report related to agenda item No. 4.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda items):
None
PUBLIC HEARINGS
3. Annenberg proiect at Lower Point Vicente EIR Scoping Meeting (Case No
ZON2009-00442): 31501 Palos Verdes Drive West
Director Rojas began by explaining the Annenberg Foundation approached the City
Council and asked permission to submit applications for a project on City property at the
September 2, 2008 Council meeting. The City Council, at this public meeting, agreed to
let them submit the applications to the Planning Department for processing. He
explained that part of the City's Vision Plan includes an animal education facility
concept at Lower Point Vicente. The City Council also has as one of its tactical goals
for this project to move forward. He explained that this hearing is concentrated on the
environmental issues identified in the Initial Study pursuant to CEQA and the public
hearings on the merits of the project will be dealt with much later in the year.
Chairman Lewis clarified that this hearing is to identify issues that should be included in
the EIR and the Commission is not going to deliberate or discuss the merits of the
project.
Director Rojas confirmed that was correct, noting that no deliberations or decisions will
be made at this meeting in regards to the project.
Principal Planner Mihranian then gave an overview of the project, beginning with the
different components of the project. He showed an illustration of the proposed project
and where it relates on the property to PVIC. He gave a brief overview of the
educational building, including a floor plan and explanation of what is proposed in the
building. He explained there will be a 900 square foot outpost building with an
information and interpretive station as well as public restrooms, and also explained the
three components of the outdoor exhibit areas. With respect to the entitlements, he
explained that there are three Planning applications submitted for this project: a
revision to the existing Conditional Use Permit, a Grading Permit, and a Coastal
Development Permit. He gave an estimated timeline for the processing and public
hearings for the proposed project.
The City Consultant, Mr. Leider, explained CEQA and its purposes as well as the
purposes of tonight's scoping meeting. He explained that at this point the City is asking
for input on the contents of the draft EIR, and that initial study is available for public
review. He discussed issues that were identified as less than significant in the Initial
Study, as well as the identified issues to be analyzed in the EIR and gave a potential
timeline for this process.
Mr. Mihranian stated that the Initial Study and the Notice of Preparation are available on
the City's website and encouraged everyone who has not subscribed to the listerserve
to do so in order to receive electronic announcements on the project.
Director Rojas reiterated that what is before the Commission is not a request for a zone
change or a use interpretation, but rather for the project itself. In allowing the project to
move forward to this point in the process, the City Council actions take into account that
the proposed project is consistent with the zoning, General Plan, and Coastal Specific
Plan uses for the site.
Commissioner Tomblin recalled a time when this site was being considered for active
recreation, including softball, and questioned if that was still a viable option.
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Director Rojas explained that at one time this site was considered for active recreation
and softball, however after some discussion and consideration the City Council
concluded that the site was not appropriate for that use. He added that the City Council
has set aside land for preserve and areas for active recreation including future ball
fields. This area at lower Point Vicente fits into neither of these categories and the City
Council approved, in the Vision Plan, this type of public use facility.
Commissioner Tomblin stated that he was not able to determine or could see anywhere
a discussion on the number of employees, the number of available classrooms, classes,
and students. He also did not see anything in reference to the hours of operation or any
restrictions on buses. He questioned what type of activities would be included in the
auditorium and if there are anticipated to be special events held and how this would
interact with PVIC in terms of timing issues. He also questioned the seating capacity of
the auditorium. In regards to the animal care, he questioned if this was a research area,
a training area, or local animal care.
Commissioner Tetreault needed clarification on the Planning Commission's roll in this
project, given that the City Council has already determined the project is consistent with
the zoning and the General Plan. He asked where it is that the Planning Commission
has discretion.
Director Rojas explained that the City Council has approved a document which
identifies the City's vision for this site. However, any new project on the site must still
go through the entitlement process for compliance with the Municipal Code. It is the
Commission's role to ensure that the project meets the zoning requirements for the site.
If the Commission cannot make the findings for the forthcoming planning applications,
then they can recommend modification or deny the project.
Leonard Aube (representing the Annenberg Foundation) felt that City Staff has done a
very good job in framing the overall issues for the Commission. He stated that during
the entitlement process the project will be boiled down to a conversation around bricks
and mortar, infrastructure, and landscaping but he felt this project is really about an
investment in community life and an educational experience. He stated that their goal,
through the interpretation of the infrastructure, is to begin the process at the point at
which family arrives at the property. He felt that is significantly different from what
currently happens at the site. He stated that the ultimate objective is to create a place
that is unlike any other place, noting that there is no one place that he can point to that
exists today that will be quite like this proposal. He explained that the Annenberg
Foundation has pledged to the City that this project is considered a gesture of a
charitable commitment from the Annenberg Foundation to the community. The capital
expense to do this project will be fully funded by the Annenberg Foundation, as well as
the establishment of a separate special fund in the form of an endowment that will
provide the revenues and the financial resources to operate and maintain this facility at
a world class level.
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Yvonne Goppert questioned the scope and meaning of"companion animals". She
discussed the picnic area, noting it is a very well used area and was hoping that the
picnic area could be expanded. She objected to the idea that the Annenberg
Foundation was going to spend their money at this City site and do what they want to do
at the site.
Rollin Sturgeon agreed with Mr. Aube that this area at Lower Point Vicente is a unique
and beautiful site, however he did not think that dogs and cats would get the same
enjoyment out of it as the community does. He objected to the proposed height of the
building, as he felt it was much too high. He did not understand why the City, who has
such a beautiful piece of land, would want to sell it.
Robert Critelli did not think this was a project that should be rammed down the throat's
of the community. He questioned why the elected City Council would try to start moving
something of this magnitude ahead without a vote. He felt that the Palos Verdes
Peninsula was one of the last beautiful places in the world and every inch of the
Peninsula does not have to be developed. He felt this is a dangerous project and was
confident that a city wide vote would never approve such a project.
Ken Dyda stated that nowhere in the landscape palette did he see green trees. He
would like to see that included in the landscape palette for this project. He also
discussed the lighting at the site and asked that the lighting plan be looked at very
carefully to ensure that the lights do not create any glare and shine downward rather
than out or up.
Jerry Sicherman stated it was his understanding that this facility would house 25 to 30
dogs and stated that he objected to animals being housed in this most prime, beautiful
area of the City. He felt the architecture was insensitive and had nothing to do with any
other architecture in the area. He questioned the 6,000 square foot medical facility and
why it hasn't been elaborated on, and questioned the implications and impacts of this
medical facility. He also questioned the possible negative publicity this center may
received because of the underground housing of the animals.
Lorraine O'Grady stated she was in favor of the proposed project. She felt that the
applicant and staff have gone to great lengths to ensure that every concern has been or
will be addressed. She stated that Lower Point Vicente Park is designed for public
recreation and is not just an open space area. She felt that the area will be developed
one way or the other, but did not think any other organization would have the integrity,
history, or financial backing that the Annenberg Foundation brings to the site.
Jacob Gutierrez stated he is a member of the Gabrailano band of Indians and that this
is their ancesteral land. He stated that his concern is with the Tongva village. He
stated that the chief of Los Angeles basin area has asked him to represent them in this
matter. He asked that he and his son be allowed to act as monitors and work closely
with the archeologists to ensure that the historical meaning of the area is maintained.
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He stated that the significance of the area is extremely important to his community and
tribe.
Barbara Dye stated that she felt what is being proposed is an extraordinary educational
facility that will greatly benefit the people of the community. She stated that she would
like the EIR to analyze the possibility of habitat restoration as well as having some land
added to the preserve. She felt the Annenberg staff have been very good listeners and
have tried to modify the project to address the concerns of the docents and the
neighbors and various other interest groups and persons.
Michael Gill voiced his opinions that the project is much too large for the area and will
have too much of an impact on the environment. He felt that the project be put to a
general vote by the residents.
Pam Crane felt the Annenberg project will be wonderful gift to the City. She understood
the worries of too much building along the coastline, but noted that the way it is
designed and the landscaping involved will fit well into the area. She voiced her support
for the project.
Sandra Jaffe questioned how this project is an educational facility and did not think
people need to be educated about companion animals. She did not understand what
the project is supposed to do, who it is supposed to appeal to, and who will be using the
facility. She felt this project would be a waste of money and cause the destruction of
the City's natural vistas.
Lenee Bilski stated that care must be taken with such a rare piece of land because once
it's developed, it's gone forever. She noted that the area is zoned Open Space
Recreation, and questioned the definition of"Open Space" in terms of zoning. She was
concerned about the size of the structure. She noted that the Coastal Specific Plan
states there should be a low level of development in this area, providing primarily picnic
areas and parking to accommodate that demand. She was also concerned about
chemical hazards from the military. She asked if soil samples have been taken from all
areas where building is proposed to take place. She was also concerned about geology
and the addition of extra water. She noted that socialization of dogs is included on the
Annenberg flyer, however she stated there is no dog park on the property. She felt
traffic hazards will be a concern at the intersection as well as parking at the site. She
stated there are three residential areas that should be taken into consideration for noise,
lighting, and the adverse physical effects on the area with the large amount of grading.
Ann Shaw stated that as a founding member of this City she knows a lot of time and
money were spent to incorporate this area. She stated incorporation was all about
preserving open space and controlling density. She felt that this project is too large for
the area and is inappropriately focused on domestic animals. She stated that several
years ago girl's softball approached the City Council to use this area for four softball
fields.. At that time the City Council decided that this is such a pristine area that even
this low level of activity was too much and too disruptive. She agreed.
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Barbara Satler stated she would like to see in the EIR a very careful consideration of
alternative sites for this project, including sites that are not public park land. She asked
to see a study on the reality of the Annenberg proposals for the rooftops. She
questioned how deep of a layer of soil will be on the rooftops, what kind of root system
will there be, how much water will these plants need, and is it realistic that any native
plant will thrive under these conditions. Furthermore, she noted that these structures
are quite large and there will have to be adjustments in the landscaping for fire safety.
She asked what that will mean in terms of irrigation, plant species, water, and runoff.
Rosemary Campbell (12 Calle Viento) felt this project is much too big for the area. She
questioned if an area is zoned recreational does that encompass an animal housing
center. She stated that certain aspects of the project are quite nice, but did not think
that overall it was serving a community purpose. She was very concerned about the
traffic, noise, and crowds this project may generate. She questioned the geology of the
area and noted that with these rooftop decks people will be able to look directly into her
backyard.
Commissioner Knight stated he had some items he would like clarified in the EIR. He
asked for a clarification of the Table on page 3 in regards to employees, patrons, and
visitors to better understand the traffic impacts. He also asked for a better description of
what the adoption services are and how that can impact the uses of the area. He noted
that page 4 states there are up to 100 parking spaces at PVIC that can be utilized, yet in
the presentation it was said there are 66 existing spaces. He questioned if the 100
spaces includes the Conditional Use Permit Revision recently before the Commission,
and if so he cautioned that there could be a situation where the City is not in compliance
with CEQA laws. He felt a discussion was needed in regards to the relationship
between Annenberg and the City in terms of the use of the land. Is there a lease
agreement, and if so, for how long? In terms of noise impact, he felt the EIR should
look at the housing of dogs on this property. Further, he noted that the General Plan
states that is a light passive recreational use of this site would be of compatible nature
to the community's desire to maintain open spaces uses along the coastal area. He
questioned staff's analysis in terms of how this project would impact that particular part
of the urban element, and felt this should be addressed. He stated there are overlay
control districts in the area that the EIR should analyze, specifically how this project
impacts these control districts. He stated there is a Coastal Specific Plan environmental
element, noting policy No. 1 allows only low intensity activity in the coastal resources
management district and policy No. 5 ensures that noise and lighting impacts are
mitigated at the point of origin, and asked that this be addressed in the EIR.
Commissioner Knight also noted that there are other jurisdictions that have land use
policies that affect this area. He stated that the California Coastal National Monument
Act lists Lower Point Vicente as one of the five gateways along the California coast, and
felt this should be addressed in the EIR. He stated the Coastal Conservancy has
certain goals set out that should be addressed. He also discussed the NCCP and noted
that there is a habitat linkage that runs through this part of Lower Point Vicente, and did
not see this addressed.
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Commissioner Leon asked staff if the size and scope of this proposed project will be
addressed in the EIR.
Director Rojas answered that the EIR will identify and address impacts of the project.
The Planning Commission will address the size of the building and the scope of the
project through the applications and hearing process.
Mr. Leider added that the size of the proposed building factors into a lot of the issue
areas looked at in the EIR. These issues range from the amount of energy consumed,
the amount of lighting required to light the site, the emissions from visitorship, to
aesthetic and visual impacts, views, and compatibility of the proposed project.
Commissioner Tomblin addressed the solar panels, and questioned how the public will
view these solar panels when looking down on them from Palos Verdes Drive West. He
felt there should be some discussion on the types of materials used for the solar panels
and the visual impact when looking down on them. Secondly, he asked if there will be a
legal opinion from the City Attorney that this project does meet recreational passive and
open space recreation criteria and if this is an appropriate use for this zoning.
Deputy City Attorney Snow stated that if the Planning Commission requests, the City
Attorney's office can provide some guidance. He explained that this is not really a legal
determination but rather a determination that the Commission and City Council will have
to make as to whether of not the project is consistent with the General Plan.
There being no other comments from the Commission, Director Rojas stated that the
consultants will be preparing a draft EIR that should be ready for circulation in May.
1. Conditional Use Permit Revision (Case No. ZON2009-00368)• 29000
Western Avenue
Commissioner Emenhiser stated that because he works for a competing company he
will recuse himself from this agenda item and he left the dais.
Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report explaining the scope of the project,
noting all of the proposed antennas will be located behind the existing parapet and will
not be visible. He stated that for the reasons discussed in the staff report, staff felt that
the Commission can make the required findings which warrant approval of the revision
to the Conditional Use Permit.
Commissioner Knight asked staff if any existing antennas will become obsolete and
removed with this new installation.
Deputy Director Pfost was not aware of any antennas being removed.
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Commissioner Leon asked staff if this installation will be in compliance with safety
standards associated with microwaves.
Deputy Director Pfost was not able to answer that question, but noted the applicant was
available for questions.
Chairman Lewis opened the public hearing.
Davina Felix (applicant) stated she was also not able to answer the question, but could
get further clarification from the RF engineers if requested. She noted that an FCC
compliance letter was submitted with the application.
Deputy City Attorney Snow explained that this is a type of application that has certain
elements that are preempted from local considerations. He noted that the
Telecommunications Act reserves some degree of local authority over determining
locations but does not allow local agencies to make those determinations based on
certain factors, including the RF or frequency of the communication devices.
Commissioner Tetreault asked if any antennas not being used will be removed.
Ms. Felix answered that the panel antenna will be removed and replaced, but all
existing ground equipment will remain.
Commissioner Tetreault moved to adopt PC Resolution 2010-06 thereby
approving the revision to the Conditional Use Permit as recommended by staff,
seconded by Commissioner Leon. Approved, (6-0) with Commissioner
Emenhiser recused.
2. General Plan Update (Case No. ZON2008-00160) — Sub-committee
assignment and review of draft schedule
Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report, explaining that there are now
vacancies on the various sub-committees that need filling.
After a brief discussion it was decided Vice Chairman Gerstner, Commissioner
Emenhiser, and Commissioner Tomblin on the sub-committee for the fiscal element;
Vice Chairman Gerstner and Commissioner Leon on the sub-committee for the noise
element; Commissioner Tomblin and Chairman Lewis on the sub-committee for the
circulation element; and Commissioner Emenhiser joining sub-committee for the land
use element.
The Commissioners then reviewed and approved the proposed schedule.
NEW BUSINESS
4. Vote options for Resolutions on Consent Calendar
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Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report, explaining that at an earlier meeting
the Commission had expressed concerns and opinions on what they felt should be
included in a procedure in regards to voting options for resolutions on the consent
calendar, and noted that this was included in the staff report.
Deputy City Attorney Snow explained that the City Attorney's office is concerned about
introducing some lack of clarity in the decisions that might result from two different votes
on a single matter. He understood that the concern of the Commission may be to have
the Consent Calendar items go more quickly without having to do roll call votes on each
item.
Chairman Lewis clarified that the Commission questioned how they should vote when
an item was heard at the public hearing they voted against the item, however when the
Resolution is brought back on the Consent Calendar should they still vote no or should
they vote yes to affirm the Resolution reflects the prior decision of the Commission.
Deputy City Attorney Snow explained that the final vote or final action on an item is the
adoption of the Resolution. Therefore, if a Resolution reflects an approval and a
particular Commissioner felt the project should have been denied, a vote against the
Resolution on the Consent Calendar will then accurately reflect the intention of the
Commission. He also explained that if that Commissioner voted yes on the Resolution
that can be interpreted as approval of the project when that wasn't the intent.
Vice Chairman Gerstner stated by following the City Attorney's advice the vote would no
longer be a vote to approve the Consent Calendar, and therefore the purpose of the
Consent Calendar has been defeated. He asked how the City Council votes on
Consent Calendar items.
Deputy City Attorney Snow explained that the City Council has a number of things on
their Consent Calendar that the Planning Commission doesn't deal with, and therefore
is a bit different. If there were a Resolution on the Consent Calendar, he would advise
City Council to treat it the same way he is advising the Planning Commission.
Chairman Lewis felt it was important to have a rule on file, however he also felt that this
situation is quite rare.
Chairman Lewis moved to direct staff to return with a draft rule which reflects the
City Attorney's recommendation that a vote on a Consent Calendar item is not an
affirmation of the prior vote but rather a vote on the merits of that particular
Planning Commissioner's views on the item, seconded by Commissioner
Emenhiser.
Commissioner Leon felt that it the situation is so rare and unique, he was not sure a rule
was needed for it because if the situation does arise it will probably be discussed
whether or not there is a rule.
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Chairman Lewis agreed, however he stated that the few times it has come up the
Commission has looked to staff for clarification as to what their vote will be reflecting,
and he felt there should be a rule that staff can then relay to the Commission.
The Commission approved the motion (6-1) with Commissioner Leon dissenting.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
5. Minutes of January 26, 2010
Vice Chairman Gerstner moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded
by Commissioner Tetreault. Approved, (5-0) with Commissioners Leon and
Emenhiser recused.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
6. Pre-agenda for the meeting on March 9, 2010
Chairman Lewis noted that at the next City Council meeting a new Planning
Commission Chairman will be selected. He suggested that at the next Planning
Commission meeting an item be added to the Agenda for the selection of a Vice
Chairman.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
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