PC MINS 20100126 Approved
February 23, 2
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
JANUARY 26, 2010
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Lewis at 7:06 p.m. at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Ruttenberg led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Knight, Perestam, Ruttenberg, Vice Chairman Gerstner,
and Chairman Lewis. Commissioners Tetreault and Tomblin arrived
during Agenda Item No. 1
Absent: None
Also present were Director of Planning, Building, and Code Enforcement Rojas, Deputy
Director Pfost, Principal Planner Mihranian, and Associate Planner Fox
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Agenda was unanimously approved as presented.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Rojas reported that at the December 15, 2009 meeting the City Council elected
not to pursue a code amendment to clarify which city maps to use to determine the
location of the coastal setback line on coastal properties, and agreed to make a final
interpretation that the city is to use the zoning map to determine the location of the
coastal setback line. The City Council also denied the appeal and granted the Variance
for the after-the-fact improvements at 24 Seacove Drive. The director also noted that at
the January 19, 2010 meeting the City Council adopted the final Housing Element as
recommended by the Planning Commission
Director Rojas distributed two items of correspondence for agenda item No. 2.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda items):
None
CONTINUED BUSINESS
1. Height Variation, Minor Exception Permit& Site Plan Review (Case No.
ZON2009-00149): 4319 Palos Verdes Drive South
Associate Planner Fox presented the staff report, giving a brief history of the project and
the need for the various permits. He explained that based on the revised proposal, staff
reassessed the application for neighborhood compatibility with respect to bulk, mass,
and architectural style, and briefly reviewed the original and revised plans. He stated
that staff believes the revised project reduces the apparent bulk and mass of the
addition and incorporates design elements that are more commonly found in the
immediate neighborhood. Therefore staff feels the project is now compatible with the
immediate neighborhood. With respect to the Minor Exception Permit, staff reevaluated
the project for consistency with the Minor Exception Permit findings and was able to
make one of the findings in order to recommend approval. He stated that staff now
recommends conditional approval of the revised project.
A discussion followed regarding a "storybook" ranch style home. Vice Chairman
Gerstner noted that the proposed addition does not seem to follow through with the
detail in the main house, giving the appearance of a definite addition.
Associate Planner Fox noted that the Planning Commission could ask the designer to
incorporate more of the detail of the eaves and fascia into the new second story gable.
Chairman Lewis opened the public hearing.
Ricardo Flores (designer) stated it would be possible to match the overhang on the
eaves and fascia board with the existing house.
Vice Chairman Gerstner explained that this is a difficult massing to deal with and he felt
that the only way to make this addition look like it is part of the house is to use as much
of the same detailing as possible.
Mr. Flores also felt he could make the window styles on the addition match those on the
existing house.
Chairman Lewis closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Perestam felt that the designer made the adjustments suggested by the
Commission at the previous hearing.
Commissioner Perestam moved to approve the project as conditioned by staff
with the added condition that the architectural style of the addition be modified
wherever possible to match the existing residence at the approval of the Director,
seconded by Commissioner Tomblin.
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Commissioner Ruttenberg commented that this particular neighborhood is very
consistent in the design of the homes. He felt that what is facing the Commission is the
choice of leaving the neighborhood as it is entirely or allowing the development. He felt
that this is a very modest proposal and will set a good precedent for the rest of the
homes.
Commissioner Knight still felt it looks a bit like a pop-up, however with the changes
proposed he felt he would be able to support the project.
The motion to adopt PC Resolution 2010-01 thereby conditionally approving the
project as revised and recommended by staff was approved, (7-0).
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Conditional Use Permit Revision, Mitigated Negative Declaration (Case No
YON 2009-00441)
Principal Planner Mihranian explained this project is for proposed improvements at
lower Point Vicente Park. He gave a brief history and background of the site, including
the construction of PVIC and a brief explanation of the Rancho Palos Verdes Coast
Vision Plan. He explained the components of the proposed project before the
Commission, which include expanding the parking lot, reconfiguring the driveway, new
lighting, landscaping and hardscaping, and trail improvements. He discussed the
Mitigated Negative Declaration prepared by staff which identified, noting that the
identified potential impacts could be mitigated to a less than significant level with the
appropriate mitigation measures included in the Mitigated Negative Declaration. He
explained that staff was asking the Commission's input on the proposed project and to
provide staff direction to bring back the information at the February 9t" meeting.
Commissioner Knight asked about the relationship between this project and the
Annenberg proposal.
Director Rojas answered that this project can proceed with or without the approval of
the Annenberg project, noting that there are separate entitlements being processed and
separate CEQA reviews.
Commissioner Knight asked if the Annenberg project will be using any of the new
proposed parking and if so, why this parking wasn't put into their EIR and addressed in
a separate Mitigated Negative Declaration.
Director Rojas explained that Point Vicente Interpretive Center has its own parking
needs, and this proposal is based on fulfilling that need that was identified years ago.
The Annenberg project will have its own parking demands based on a traffic study.
Nonetheless, it is anticipated that there will be shared parking.
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Principal Planner Mihranian added that this is part of the needed parking that was
identified in the 1998 traffic study for Point Vicente Interpretive Center. He noted that
PVIC is currently deficient in parking and the dirt overflow lot is quite often used.
Commissioner Knight stated that he is concerned about the lighting at PVIC and
questioned if it was compliant with the Code when it was installed. He felt that if the
previous project was supposed to comply with the code section, something didn't work,
and he wanted to make sure there is some assurance with this new project that the
same situation doesn't occur.
Principal Planner Mihranian explained that since installed staff has expressed its
concern with the lighting, noting that there are problems with both the light source and
the light standards. He stated that staff has worked very closely with the proposed
project's designers in regards to the lighting. He noted that the new lighting plan
proposes to change out the existing lighting at the site.
Commissioner Knight asked if the landscape plan was in compliance with the new
model landscape plant ordinance recently passed by the City Council.
Principal Planner Mihranian was not sure if the landscape plan is compliance with that
new ordinance or not but that staff could add a condition to ensure that it is. He did note
the plant palette that was selected for this project was the palette that was approved by
the Coastal Commission for the Terranea project and staff used the Land Conservancy
to help select certain plant species for the landscape plan.
Commissioner Knight asked if there was any type of integrated pest management plan
for the non-native areas of landscaping to help avoid the use of pesticides. He was
concerned with the pesticide use because of the close proximity to the ocean bluffs.
Principal Planner Mihranian answered that such a plan has not yet be developed. He
noted that there are only two small grass areas where this will be needed, as most of
the landscaping will be native vegetation.
Commissioner Knight discussed noise mitigation, noting a letter was received from a
resident expressing concern over operational noise at PVIC and asked if there was a
way to see if that is an issue to be addressed.
Principal Planner Mihranian stated that currently staff is not aware of complaints
regarding operational noise from PVIC.
Commissioner Knight suggested staff contact the person who wrote the letter and get
more information on the types of noises to see if there is a way to mitigate the concern.
Commissioner Tomblin asked if the current overflow parking lot will be eliminated with
this plan.
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Principal Planner Mihranian explained that it is proposed that the dirt overflow lot will be
improved with a paved lot and the Coast Guard dirt lot will continue to be used as an
overflow parking lot.
Commissioner Perestam asked if there were any discussions regarding changes in the
hours of operation or land use at PVIC.
Principal Planner Mihranian stated that there have been no discussions regarding
changing the hours of operation at PVIC or change in land use and staff has been given
no direction to do so and there has been no need identified that the hours of operation
should be changed.
Chairman Lewis opened the public hearing.
There were no speakers.
Commissioner Knight asked if the City is working with the Coast Guard to use the dirt lot
for parking.
Principal Planner Mihranian answered that the City is currently working with the Coast
Guard to prepare a Memorandum of Understanding to utilize the parking lot. He noted
that this overflow parking lot will be important during the construction phase to
accommodate the daily parking needs.
Commissioner Tetreault expressed some concern with the deficient parking at the PVIC
site and asked if there was anything about the project, because it is City property, that
would cause the Planning Commission to consider it differently than a private project
with regards to parking requirements.
Principal Planner Mihranian answered that the project should not be treated differently
and explained that because the project is under a Conditional Use Permit the
Commission can modify the conditions regarding parking, which is also true in the case
of a private project.
Director Rojas added that, as with other projects, when there isn't enough parking on a
site the City asks that there be agreements with another neighboring party. The City
has operated with an informal agreement with the Coast Guard for many years in
regards to parking and the City is in the process of formalizing this agreement.
Commissioner Tetreault stated that he was a little concerned about this project and its
ties to the Annenberg project, especially since the Annenberg Foundation has an
application for a very large project in the very near future that will be heard before the
Planning Commission. He did not want in any way to appear that the Planning
Commission was showing any kind of favoritism towards the Annenberg Foundation.
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Commissioner Tomblin also expressed his opinion that it was important that the
Planning Commission treat the City, as an applicant, in the same way a private
individual would be treated before the Commission.
Chairman Lewis stated that he would like to see a condition of approval that a formal
written agreement be made with the Coast Guard regarding the overflow parking.
Vice Chairman Gerstner moved to continue the public hearing and directed staff
to take the recommendations made by the Planning Commission and return with
a Resolution for adoption at the next meeting, seconded by Commissioner
Ruttenberg.
Commissioner Knight requested that staff look into pervious concrete, as it helps
minimize runoff.
The motion to continue the public hearing to February 9, 2010 was approved
without objection.
3. General Plan Update — Open Space and Conservation Element(Case No.
ZON2009-00107)
Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report, giving an overview of the conservation
and open space elements. He gave a brief explanation of the organization of the
element, noting that because the open space element and the conservation element
have a similar content they were combined into one element. He explained how the
element is set up today in the General Plan and how staff followed that same direction.
He also explained that the General Plan update is supposed to be one that updates the
information and text of the General Plan, and not rewriting and restructuring the entire
content of the General Plan. He stated that staff wanted to introduce this element to the
Commission and then turn it over to the subcommittee who can then look at the details
of the element who can then work with staff to suggest revisions for the overall Planning
Commission's review.
Commissioner Knight was concerned about language in the draft which seemed to
indicate the use of the ESA maps. He questioned, with the recent Planning
Commission and City Council decisions, if this should be modified.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that mention of the ESA maps is included both for
historical background and for reference in identifying different developable areas in the
coastal zone. He stated that he would find the specific language and forward it to the
subcommittee for review.
Commissioner Perestam felt it was also important for the subcommittee and
Commission to be open to reviewing the content and the order of the content and how it
flows. He also suggested that there be consistency in the level of detail throughout the
document.
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Chairman Lewis opened the public hearing.
Lowell Wedemeyer felt that there is technology being used currently in the City that can
be used with the document that would facility consistency between the General Plan,
zoning, and individual lots. He stated that GPS can be tied into Assessor Map Parcels
and there is massive amounts of technology that can be used as an electronic data
base for the City. He felt the General Plan should be built from the bottom up rather
than the top down.
Commissioner Knight asked staff their opinion of taking an electronic data base and
expanding on this data base.
Director Rojas explained that the City as a whole is trying to create an electronic
database, however there is a huge cost to do so and there are State laws on public
record keeping that must be taken into consideration. For the day to day processing of
planning applications he explained that staff does utilize a GIS system and that the City
is looking to purchase additional electronic databases that will greatly enhance staffs
ability to look at various aspects of a piece of property in the City. However, to re-map
the maps in the General Plan based on a database created by someone reviewing all
the information on file with the City with respect to private property would be beyond the
direction given by the City Council.
Commissioner Ruttenberg noted that there is a section in the General Plan that
discusses what the City uses and what the City relies on to get to where we are and he
suggested putting in a discussion that the goal of the City is to advance this in such a
way with more advanced data that the City is not faced with the problems it has been
faced with in regards to map usage.
Vice Chairman Gerstner agreed and added that he questioned why the City would want
to create something that intentionally lacks detail, as he did not think that was
necessarily beneficial.
Commissioner Ruttenberg suggested that somewhere in the introduction of this section,
where it would seem to apply the most, there should be mention that the goals are to be
as accurate as we possibly can and one way to do that is to keep up with the
technology with regards to mapping.
Chairman Lewis noted that the subcommittee will meet and discuss this section and
report back to the full Commission in February.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
4. Minutes of November 10, 2009
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Commissioner Tetreault moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded by
Commissioner Ruttenberg. Approved without objection.
5. . Minutes of November 24. 2009
Commissioner Tetreault moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded by
Commissioner Ruttenberg. Approved, (5-0-2) with Vice Chairman Gerstner and
Chairman Lewis abstaining since they were absent from that meeting.
6. Minutes of December 8. 2009
Commissioner Tetreault moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded by
Commissioner Ruttenberg. Approved, (6-0-1) with Chairman Lewis abstaining since he
was absent from that meeting.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
7. Pre-Agenda for the meeting on February 9, 2010
The pre-agenda was reviewed and approved.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 8:56 p.m.
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