PC MINS 20090210 Approved
March 24,2009 04-,
CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 10, 2009
LLT ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Perestarn at 7:12 p.m. at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard.
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Tomblin led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ATTENDANCE
Present: Commissioners Gerstner, Knight, Ruttenberg, Tomblin, Vice Chairman
Lewis, and Chairman Perestam.
Absent: Commissioner Tetreault was excused.
Also,present were Director of Planning, Building, and Code Enforcement Rojas, Deputy
Director Pfost, and Senior Planner Alvarez.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Agenda was approved without objection.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director Rojas reported that at the February 3, 2009 City Council meeting the Council
remanded the appeal of the Planning Commission's denial of a new residence on
Cayuse Lane back to the Planning Commission. At the same meeting they also denied
the fee waiver related to a view restoration case previously heard by the Planning
Commission. The Director also reported that at the upcoming February 17, 2009 the
Council will adopt the Resolution finalizing the decision on the St. John Fisher project
and will appoint a new Planning Commission chairman. He congratulated Chairman
Perestarn on his tenure as Chairman.
Director Rojas distributed two geologic reports from the City Geologist and 11 items of
correspondence regarding agenda item No. 1, and one photo related to agenda item
No. 2.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE (regarding non-agenda items)®
None
CONTINUED BUSINE
1. General Plan Amendment, Zone Change Text Amendment, Conditional Use
Permit, Grading Permit, Variance, Tentative Parcel Map and Environmental
Assessment (Case Nos. ZON2008-00649 and SUB2008-00008)® NW Corner
of Crenshaw Blvd & Crestridge Road
Before hearing the staff report, Chairman Perestam reminded the public that the only
issues before the Planning Commission at this time involve land use and design of the
project. There are a number of broader issues that are not in the Commission's scope
and should be addressed before City Council.
Deputy Director Pfost presented the staff report, giving a brief recap of the previous
public hearing before the Commission. He explained the State Housing Law which
establishes a need for each jurisdiction in the State to provide a Housing Element, and
within that Housing Element every jurisdiction is required to identify locations where it
can meet the regions housing needs, including affordable housing. It also requires the
cities to identify goals, policies, and procedures in helping meet that need. He
explained that the City Council has adopted policies for housing in the City, and any
deviation to those policies does present some risk to the City. Additionally, the City
Council looked at the risk associated with expenditure of funds that the Agency and City
has accrued over the years that are ear marked specifically for affordable housing, and
the risk associated with not spending those funds.
Deputy Director Pfost stated that at the last meeting the Commission formed a sub-
committee to look at various design issues and concerns the Commission made note of,
and met with the applicant and staff to discuss the two options being presented to the
Commission tonight. He discussed the original design and the two options being
presented. In discussing option No. 1, he noted that this proposal significantly reduces
the height of the retaining wall in the back area of the property to 71/2 feet as well as the
total amount of grading. However, staff had concerns with the visual appearance of the
building from Crenshaw Boulevard, as there would be more fagade visible from both
Crenshaw Boulevard and Crestridge Road. He stated this option does not meet the
parking space requirement, however it does not require a Variance as guest parking
spaces are not required per State law. Discussing option No. 2, he noted it is similar to
the original proposal but reduced in size. He stated that it does not require a Variance
for building over an extreme slope and also reduces the height of the retaining wall to
161/2 feet and the total amount of grading. He explained that staff was concerned that
with the fewer units proposed in option No. 2 the amount of public subsidy would need
to be increased. He stated that in discussions with the City Attorney, it has been
determined that the project can be restricted to persons 62 years of age and above, and
in doing so will restrict all occupants of the units to 62 years of age and above. He also
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noted that traffic and geology have both been approved since the last public hearing.
He ended by showing several photos taken near the site with the original design and
both options displayed on the site. He stated that staff feels the option No. 2 is the
better overall design for the property, however the Planning Commission can chose a
different option.
Commissioner Ruttenberg noted that at the previous meeting the applicant had stated
he could not reduce the number of units to 34 and still have a financially viable project.
He was concerned that now staff is recommending an option that proposes 34 units,
which is something the applicant has said he cannot do. He asked why the option No. 1
proposal doesn't have a 34 unit proposal as well.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that the Planning Commission can propose a 34 unit
design for option No. 1. He noted that the staff report mentioned units can be removed
from the far end to remove the extreme slope issues.
Commissioner Ruttenberg asked staff if they can say that their recommendation for the
project is not at all affected by all of the extraneous considerations that the Planning
Commission is not supposed to consider. He asked if staff would have the same
recommendations for the project it if were a private party coming to the City and
proposing this project.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that the project being proposed meets the findings of all
of the entitlements being requested, and the project as conditioned can address issues
identified by staff.
Commissioner Ruttenberg asked staff if they have in any way tried to give more leeway
to this project based on facts not to be considered by the Planning Commission.
Director Rojas answered that there has been an affordable housing project of one type
or another identified for this site for many years. He stated that staff has had concerns
with previous proposals and had raised a number of issues with previous project
designs over the years. He stated staff is not supporting the project merely because it
is an affordable housing project, but because staff believes it is a project that has been
designed to address previous concerns with development of the site and to meet the
land use principles of the City. He stated that this is a project that staff can support
because the necessary findings of approval can be made, while the record will show
t I hat there have been previous affordable housing projects that staff has not supported
at this site in the past.
Commissioner Ruttenberg asked if staff supports all three of the proposals presented in
the staff report.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that staff has some concern with option No. 1 given the
location to Crenshaw Boulevard and the bulk and mass issues.
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Commissioner Knight referred to option No. 2 and the guest parking. He noted that by
State law the applicant is not required to have guest parking, but the applicant has
included guest parking in the plan. He asked if this was to comply with Rancho Palos
Verdes parking requirements.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that staff has requested the applicant include guest
parking in their plans, as any apartment building will have guests. He noted that option
No. 2 exceeds the parking requirement by one space.
Commissioner Knight asked why the Biol mitigation was eliminated.
Director Rojas answered that the mitigation fee was eliminated because City owned
land is being dedicated into the preserve as mitigation.
Commissioner Knight noted that the RFP asked for 26 to 40 units, and the options
before the Commission are from 34 to 40 units. He asked, if the City approves a project
over 26 units, is there a possibility of crediting the City with additional units in the next
period.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that at this time there is not a way get credit for the
additional units, however last year there was legislation proposed and adopted that
would allow that to occur, however it was vetoed by the Governor.
Commissioner Gerstner referred to staff's photo simulation of the original design and
option No. 1 and noted that one design appears to be much taller than the other. He
asked if that was a correct representation.
Deputy Director Pfost agreed that on the simulation one does appear taller than the
other, however the two projects are the same height.
Commissioner Gerstner stated that staff made a comment regarding grading and the
Variance, in which it was expressed that because most of the 50,000 cubic yards of dirt
needs to be recompacted and engineered, that may be cause to help make findings for
the Variance. He asked staff if it was typical, adding that he could not recall this being
said on any other grading project before the Commission.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that the uniqueness of this parcel is that to develop the
vacant parcel it must be recompacted which would remove the extreme slope.
Commissioner Tomblin noted that this parcel is zoned Institutional. He asked, if the City
was not the owner, and another party wanted to build on the property, how many units
would be allowed on the property.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that there is not a density requirement in the
Institutional zone, but there are requirements and building standards related to height
and setbacks.
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Director Rojas added that absent a specific density requirement, the total number of
units that would be allowed on the site is dependent on the CUP findings such as
whether the site is adequate to support the project.
Commissioner Tomblin asked, if this property were zoned high density residential, what
the density per acre would be on the site.
Director Rojas stated that if the site were zoned the same as the Highridge site recently
before the Commission, he estimated that the zoning would allow for approximately 66
units on the property.
Commissioner Knight referred to the proposed zone text amendment and the conditions
and services that must be met for homes for the aged. He asked if all of these will be
applied to this project.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that some of the conditions will be applied to this
project, subject to the Conditional Use Permit.
David Yarden (representing the applicant) explained that after the last Planning
Commission hearing he met with the sub-committee appointed by the Commission and
at that meeting they were able to identify design alternatives and concepts. He felt the
two alternatives presented fairly depict the boundaries of site planning and design for
this particular site. Regarding the number of units, he explained that it was felt that the
most effective and efficient use of this site from a cost effective point of view is 40 units.
He felt that whether the site is feasible with fewer units remains to be determined by the
City Council. Focusing on the two alternatives presented, he explained that one of the
concerns raised by the Commission was the height of the retaining wall. He explained
that in both options 1 and 2 the retaining wall height is reduced substantially, and
showed site plans of both options with the retaining wall. He also explained that option
No. 2 was prepared in response to the Commission's request to design a project with
fewer units.
Darin Hansen (representing the applicant) further discussed the two new options. He
explained that the goal of option No. 1 was to reduce the height of the retaining wall,
and in order to do that the building pad will be moved closer to Crenshaw Boulevard. He
also noted a portion of the pad will be higher, thereby reducing the amount of export
required. He discussed option No. 2, showing how the pad was moved out toward
Crenshaw Boulevard. In doing so, however, some of the parking spaces were
eliminated. He briefly discussed the types of services that will be available for the
residents, including computer training and health and nutrition training.
Commissioner Knight asked Mr. Hansen if he had read the proposed zone text change
which includes various services the City would require, and asked if any of these
elements are proposed with this project.
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Mr. Hansen answered that the shuttle system is not something being proposed for this
particular development.
Commissioner Tomblin asked if a material has been selected for the retaining wall or
some type of landscaping in front of the retaining wall.
Mr. Hansen answered that a material has not been selected, but once it is it will be
shared with the City to get approval in regards to the materials being used.
Commissioner Knight asked, in option No. 2, if there is enough space in front of the wall
that vegetation can be planted to help soften the wall.
Mr. Hansen stated that there is a 15 foot setback from the building to the face of the
wall, and the intent is to plant vegetation in front of the wall. He stated that he has not
done a landscape plan, but will work with staff in terms of plant selection.
Perry Cockreham stated he is speaking as President of the Ridgecrest Homeowners
Association and as a resident. He stated that a vast majority of the residents in his
community are opposed to the project and are quite concerned about several
companion issues that have surfaced. He stated that the Association and individuals
have repeatedly offered to work with the City in a professional and proactive manner in
resolving the issues pertinent to this piece of land and that all such efforts have been
rebuffed in an often arrogant and insulting manner. Information that has piece-mewled
out has often been untimely and minimal at best, and in some cases has constituted
outright misdirection. He stated that his community is increasingly concerned that there
is an agenda by some individuals that has little to do with the welfare of the residents of
the City. He also stated that his HOA enthusiastically supported the last two senior low
income housing projects proposed for this site, however many in the HOA feel this
current project is misguided as it is not compatible with the neighborhood and may have
a negative impact on surrounding property values. He also felt the project could
threaten the fiscal viability of the City, due in part by the decision to circumvent the EIR
and substitute it with a Mitigated Negative Declaration. He felt that the lack of true EIR
compliance raises serious issues with respect to the safety of the children in the
adjacent preschool as well as the seniors who will eventually reside on the property. He
felt the project should be denied and the City should consider a more reasoned and
proper course of action that is mutually beneficial to all.
Commissioner Knight asked Mr. Cockreham to elaborate on the potential safety issues
to the neighboring preschool he felt would occur with this proposed project.
Mr. Cockreham did not think that the movement of the earth during the construction
phase was adequately addressed in the Mitigated Negative Declaration and that there
are issues with the land which a complete EIR should address.
Sherry Skari explained that in order for AMCAL to get the needed tax credits to build the
project they need to provide proper daily and consistent transportation for the residents.
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She acknowledged the two bus stops near the project, but noted that one bus line does
not run on weekends, school holidays, and is intermittent throughout the day. There is
no commuter bus to take residents into the Torrance area. She was concerned that
AIVICAL has not put any money into this project and they are getting the land for free.
She did not think AIVICAL had any incentive to keep the property in good shape and
questioned who will keep the property maintained. She also questioned what will
happen to the property if AIVICAL files for bankruptcy or goes out of business.
John Polen felt that this proposed development would not be approved if it had been
submitted by a private developer, as there are too many variances and too much
grading associated with the project. He also felt that too many units were being
proposed, and it would be a much better project with fewer units. He encouraged the
Planning Commissioner to use the same diligence in reviewing this project that they
would do for any other person that comes before the Commission.
Howard Thrall stated that he is in favor of affordable housing assistance for seniors, but
is against this extremely low income project being proposed at this location. He did not
think the project would add any value to the existing neighborhood. He was concerned
that an EIR was not prepared for the project, especially since one was required for the
potential project on the neighboring lot. He was concerned with safety issues, traffic
issues, and with the inconsistency of the City government. He felt the Commission
should insist an EIR be prepared for this proposed project.
Janet Harsrath Thrall felt that the City can do better for low-income senior citizens. She
felt an EIR should be completed and reviewed before any construction is allowed on the
property. She noted that the project is directly across the street from a major landslide
that has been left in disrepair for over 30 years. She felt the City needs to protect any
future tenants of the proposed development from possible instability or any further
litigation against the City. She discussed the amount of dirt proposed to be removed,
and questioned the haul route and how the trucks would get to Hawthorne Boulevard
from the site. She asked if the City has the water supply to support not only the 40 new
units, but the 89 proposed units in the next development. The EIR would clearly tell us
if the drainage would be sufficient to not cause problems to the pre-school or landslide
below. She stated she opposes the project and encouraged the Commission to
consider the issues being raised.
Aru Tamhane explained that she has met with City officials to inquire about remodeling
her own residence, and knows how strict the rules of the City are. She assumed that
the rules are the same for everyone. She felt that unfortunately the rules are being bent
for this project. She questioned what the City will gain from this project.
Shrikant Tamhane questioned if the income from the rental of the units on the property
will come back to the City. Regarding neighborhood compatibility, he noted that the
people in the room are the neighborhood, and the people in the room do not think the
project is compatible with their neighborhood.
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Donna Hulbert stated one of her primary concerns with the project is what she
perceives to be a fast tracking, which has precluded a lot of thoughtful evaluation that it
requires due to its perceived need to apply for tax credits in April. She noted the
schedule included in the staff report in order to begin construction of the project on time
to meet the deadline. She was disturbed that the preparation of an EIR does not fit the
schedule, and is not a viable option in this schedule. She stated that most of the parcel
is zoned Open Space Hazard, and this designation is dismissed in the staff report and
in the Mitigated Negative Declaration as having been placed without detailed study and
therefore unimportant if a site specific geologic study supports the deviation. However,
she felt the quality of the geologic study performed by an applicant cannot be neutral.
She felt that the seniors should be treated better and not put into a development where
all of the housing is know to be low, very low, or extremely low. She felt the affordable
housing should be mixed with moderate and above moderate units.
Faye Steiger strongly opposed the apartment project. She was concerned that an EIR
was not prepared for this project and was concerned with the added traffic the project
will add to the neighborhood.
Graham Robertson stated he and his neighbors are opposed to this project, as
proposed. He was also concerned that he wasn't receiving timely notices for these
public meetings. He felt that the Planning Commission must use the same criteria in
reviewing this project as they would for any development brought forward. He felt the
Commission should tell the City Council that this project in its current form is too big, too
dense, and does nothing to improve the City.
Gene Steiger stated he was opposed to the decision to prepare a Mitigated Negative
Declaration as opposed to an EIR, and read from a court decision which discussed the
use of a Negative Declaration as opposed to an EIR. He stated that courts have held
that a Negative Declaration is inappropriate if it can be fairly argued that the project will
cause significant environmental impacts. He noted that the fairly argued standard
review is much more stringent than the substantial evidence standard used to review
the adequacy of the EIR. He also noted that even in cases where a Negative
Declaration appears to be appropriate, but the project has resulted in significant public
controversy, the court may find an EIR should have been prepared, and read from
another court case.
Dorthea Liebich stated she is pro senior and pro affordable housing, but against this
project because of the reasons stated by the previous speakers. She did not think this
particular location was advantageous to seniors, as there is no shopping nearby, no
dining nearby, and no convenient bus lines.
John Mumane stated he is opposed to the project, as it is not compatible with the
neighborhood and area, as well as the reasons stated by previous speakers. He felt it
was unfair that this project was getting, what he felt was preferential treatment from the
City, and there should not be two sets of rules. He felt it made more sense to sell the
property and move on, as there would be no penalty for not building this project.
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Ian Bisco stated he is strongly opposed to the project, explaining he moved to this area
for the rural atmosphere. He stated that the Art Center recently had a function which
filled all of the streets in the neighborhood with cars. He wondered if this is what the
neighborhood has to look forward to in the future. He also discussed the increase in
noise, pointing out that since more elderly living facilities have been built on Crestridge
there has been quite an increase in the number of sirens from emergency vehicles in
the area. He did not think this project belongs on this property, and suggested that it
would be an ideal location for a park, as the view is unmatched by any other park in the
City.
Linda Puentes stated that even with the flags on the property it is very difficult to
envision what the project will look like on the property. She felt it is difficult to get a feel
for the project, however from the pictures shown at the meeting the project appears to
be very massive and out of scale. She stated this is a beautiful area and opposed the
location of this proposed building.
Ronald Hall stated he is a former apartment owner and he knows what happens when a
developer turns the keys over to the owners. He felt the developer will be more
concerned about getting the building full rather than getting good tenants. His main
concern was that no EIR was performed for the proposed project. He also did not want
a 40 unit monstrosity across the street from his home.
Fred Ash stated he is against the project for the reasons all of his neighbors have
expressed.
Kathleen Shaw stated she has been concerned about the accidents and near accidents
at Crenshaw Blvd. and Crestridge Road since she has moved to the area. She
explained how her husband was involved in an accident and that she doesn't want to
see another family go through what her family has, and doesn't want to see the City
face litigation over an accident that is just waiting to happen with the current conditions.
The additional traffic created by these new units will only intensify that condition. She
questioned the traffic study and pointed out that it is illogical to think that the addition of
40 units at this corner will not significantly increase the traffic and risks in this area.
Commissioner Knight asked Ms. Shaw if she could point out specific areas of the traffic
study she felt were flawed.
Ms. Shaw did not think that the traffic in the area was adequately studied and observed
before the traffic study was prepared.
Jim Hathaway stated that the size and bulk of the project is too big, and suggested
cutting the size in half with 17 to 20 units and limiting the project to a single story. He
agreed that an EIR is needed, even for the 17 to 20 units suggested. He felt that
mature landscaping is needed at the site that will block as much of the building as
possible. He felt it was unacceptable that the developer be allowed to destroy gnat-
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catcher habitat and for every square foot bulldozed the developer should be required to
replant and maintain two square feet. He suggested putting a landscaped median on
Crestridge Road to help mitigate the traffic and prevent left turns out of the project, as
well as left turns out of the Art Center. He felt that changing a portion of the land from
Open Space Hazard to Institution is very risky and unnecessary, and felt that should be
denied. Finally, he suggested embedding an aging public safety officer within the
project who is employed by AMCAL as part of their staff. This person would be there to
maintain safety as well as traffic situations and medical situations. Hefelt this would be
giving back to the City and the neighborhood.
Chuck Ta Igor stated that the proposed project is in violation of the City's guidelines
regarding protection of public views, and quoted from page 12 of the guidelines which
states that structures not be located on a ridge or promontory. He felt the staff report is
biased and ignores this clause in the guidelines. He stated this proposed project will be
an immense, looming structure when viewed when one enters Rancho Palos Verdes on
Crenshaw Boulevard. He also stated that this project does not meet the neighborhood
compatibility guidelines. He felt the negative affects to property values of homes on the
hill would be substantial. He asked that the Planning Commission recommend denial of
the proposed project.
Mike Stallkamp explained his house looks down onto the property, and his concern is all
of the concrete being placed for the driveway and parking spaces as well as all of the
associated lighting on the property.
Ann Taylor stated she sees many negatives for the local community and few, if any,
benefits from the project. She stated the negatives include more traffic, poor design
quality, a greater infrastructure burden, a potential negative impact on local property
values, and a potential environmental impact.
Roger Schamp stated that retaining walls serve a very important purpose and has no
problem with the original proposed 25 foot retaining wall. He felt, however, that the
original 40 unit proposal is too dense for the size of the lot, and the number of units
should be reduced.
David Yarden (in rebuttal) stated that there were many comments on the affordability of
the project, which is a matter for the City Council. He did not feel there were many
points raised regarding the specific entitlement requests or in terms of its design. He
explained developer's financial stake in the project, noting that AMCAL would be an
owner in a partnership with an investor, and these investors are typically Fortune 500
companies. He explained that the project will be affordable for a term of no less than 55
years, and the tax credit agency for the State conducts annual compliance reviews and
site visits. Further, the development is subject to all of the City's development
standards and regulations.
Commissioner Knight noted that several speakers were concerned that there is not
adequate transportation for seniors near the site, and asked Mr. Yarden to comment.
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Mr. Yarden explained that the company looked at the site when the Request for
Proposal was presented to the public and it met the requirements set forth in the State's
regulations to apply for tax credits. He said the State takes into consideration the
proximity to a bus line and how often that bus runs.
Commissioner Knight asked staff why a Mitigated Negative Declaration was prepared
as opposed to an E I R.
Director Rojas explained that staff prepared an Initial Study for the project, and as a
result of that Initial Study it was determined that there may be potential significant
impacts resulting from the project, but that such impacts could be mitigated to a level of
insignificance with the appropriate mitigation. Therefore, a Mitigated Negative
Declaration was the appropriate document to satisfy CEQA requirements. He added
that this is the same process that was followed with other large projects recently before
the Planning Commission. He also noted that staff came to the conclusion that potential
significant impacts could be mitigated with the consent of the City Attorney's office.
Commissioner Knight asked if the City Geologist has reviewed the geology reports and
taken into consideration the pre-school and other neighboring properties and streets.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that the City Geologist has reviewed the entire project
and the approval letter was submitted with the late correspondence distributed at the
beginning of the meeting.
Commissioner Knight stated there was a comment that the project is on a ridge or
promontory, and asked staff to comment.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that the finding mentioned by the speaker is a finding to
be made for a height variation, which is specifically for single family residential
development and is not applicable to this project.
Commissioner Gerstner explained that he has concerns regarding this project, most of
which revolve around the appropriateness of the site for this type of development in this
City. He felt there are more acceptable sites within the City to provide this function that
satisfy many of the concerns brought up by the public, such as access to public
transportation, proximity to retail and other types of shopping and the ability to enter and
exit the property. However, this property may be the City's only choice for this type of
function, which is why he is hoping to move this project to the City Council to let the
Council members make this final decision. He felt that the City Council should be able
to view both options in their review of the project. He agreed with staff that an EIR is
not necessary for the project, and was comfortable with the Mitigated Negative
Declaration. In regards to the geology of the site, he noted that all of the concerns and
issues of the site will be addressed in a report that will be reviewed and approved by the
City Geologist before any grading or construction can begin on the property. If there are
issues in the geology that cannot be resolved, the project will not be built.
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Commissioner Knight felt that this is a difficult issue to address, especially given the
time constraints of the project. In meeting with the developers, he felt the sub-
committee was able to articulate the concerns the public and Commissioners had with
the project, and the developer presented options that addressed a lot of the concerns.
He stated that his review is strictly of the land use issues and not the economic issues.
He stated that he would like to see an articulation of the support service program under
the zone text amendment. He felt that transportation is one of the lacking factors of this
project, and he would like the City Council to consider some type of shuttle service to
mitigate this need. He recommended that the vegetation planted along the side, while
restricted to 42 inches in height, be planted so that if fills in the spaces side to side. He
also requested landscaping in front of the back wall. He also explained that he favors
option No. 2 over the original plan, mainly because of the reduced height of the
retaining wall. He also felt that the layout of the building and parking, with the parking in
front, is consistent with the layout of the other developments in the Institutional Zoning
District on Crestridge Road, noting in particular the Art Center located across the street.
He was not in favor of option No. 1, as he felt it pushes the bulk and mass too far
forward towards the street.
Commissioner Gerstner stated that he prefers the structure more towards Crenshaw
Boulevard, as seen in option No. 1. He explained that he is not in favor of the tall
retaining wall and if there's another scheme that can be built without such a tall wall,
that scheme should be seriously considered. He did not think the building in option No.
1 was too massive, explaining that with the steepness of Crenshaw Boulevard, one
does not look up over the hill on the property, and therefore the mass of the building
would not be too imposing coming up that hill. Coming down Crenshaw Boulevard, one
will be above the building and will tend to look down over the top of the building.
Further, with the vegetation planted on the property the building will be adequately
screened and will provide for a better facility.
Commissioner Ruttenberg discussed the zone text amendment change, explaining he
has been told to consider whether or not he can find that the intent of the Institutional
District's allowable use entitled Homes for the Aged may include certain residential type
projects, such as the one being considered. He stated that when looking at the
Institutional zoning and the language in Section E, it is clear this is an Institutional zone
and what is allowed under Section E does not include residential housing uses or senior
housing. He felt the language change suggested has been done so solely for this
project and he did not think it was appropriate to be changing the zoning code simply to
make it convenient for one particular project. With that, he stated he does not favor any
of the development options presented to the Planning Commission, as they are not
uses allowed within the Institutional zone.
Vice Chairman Lewis agreed with Commissioner Ruttenberg with regards to the
proposed zone text amendment. He also had concerns with respect to staff's findings
that a Mitigated Negative Declaration rather than an EIR is appropriate for the proposed
project. He questioned if a more focused EIR could be prepared that addresses the
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traffic and geology issues, rather than a full EIR. He therefore could not support the
proposed project.
Commissioner Tomblin read from Section D of the staff report on how the proposed use
is not contrary to the goals and policies of the General Plan. He explained that his
concern is that he knows the cost to provide shuttle services and other services may
make the project uneconomical, and referenced the staff reports statement regarding
preserving and enhancing the quality of living. He felt that without seeing the economic
models in terms of reserves to care for parking lots, buildings, and property in general,
he felt the costs involved in providing the,conditions on the property needed to meet the
requirements of an Institutional zone. He did not think the proposed project would
enhance or preserve the surrounding community and did not think this was the right
project for the property.
Chairman Perestarn did not think that this project could fit into an Institutional zone, but
rather there has to be some sort of multi-family zone created or modified to fit this
proposed project. He agreed with Commissioner Gerstner that the City Council should
be able to review both options presented.
Commissioner Knight noted that even though he prefers option No. 2, he also wants the
City Council to have the full opportunity to see all options presented.
Chairman Perestarn reviewed what he thought were the issues to discuss regarding the
project, which included whether or not the project is too dense, if there should be fewer
units, if an EIR should have been prepared, is the zoning correct, and are there traffic
related concerns that are not easily reconcilable in the mitigation.
Deputy Director Pfost agreed that focusing on those specific areas would be beneficial,
and suggested that the Commission could also focus on a specific option or preference
for an option.
Commissioner Ruttenberg moved that the Planning Commission recommend to
the City Council that the proposed project be rejected on the grounds that it does
not qualify under the Institutional zoning; that the proposed text amendment is
inappropriate, as it does not reflect the intent of the section it seeks to amend; all
of the options are too dense; there is no need for an EIR; there is no need for a
further traffic study, seconded by Commissioner Tomblin®
Vice Chairman Lewis stated that he will vote against the motion, explaining the public
has been unanimous in their perception that the City is rushing this project through the
approval process and is acting with favoritism because it happens to have a stake in the
outcome. He stated he could support the motion, with the exception of the need for the
EIR.
Commissioner Ruttenberg moved to withdraw from his motion the statement that
there is no need for an EIR, seconded by Commissioner Tomblin.
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With that, Vice Chairman Lewis stated he could now support the motion.
Commissioner Knight felt that staff gave a very good explanation as to why an EIR was
not necessary and the Mitigated Negative Declaration is sufficient, and this decision is
consistent with what he has seen in regards to other projects in the City.
Commissioner Gerstner stated that he can support the motion, however he does not
believe the project is too dense. Therefore, in voting for the motion he is supporting his
belief that the institutional use is proper. ,
Commissioner Knight stated he cannot support the motion as he feels the options are
adequately designed for the property in terms of the Institutional zoning. He understood
the concerns regarding the proposed text amendment, as it appears the wording has
been designed specifically for this project.
Director Rojas stated that whatever the motion is, in order to give meaningful feedback
to the City council, there should be a basis for the motion. For example, if the
Commission thinks the project is too dense, it should be noted as to why it is too dense.
If the Commission feels an EIR is needed, it should be explained why an EIR is needed
or what impact is not being mitigated to an insignificant level.
Vice Chairman Lewis understood that an EIR is a device for issue spotting and public
input to make sure all issues are addressed and all impacts are fully explored. He was
concerned that this particular project, with a City owner and the perception of a rushed
project, the City may only be getting a small fraction of public input that what would be
received with an EIR, and thus it would be more appropriate to have an EIR or a
focused EIR.
Commissioner Ruttenberg stated that staff has been telling the Planning Commission
that this project is to be handled like every other project before the Commission. That
being the case, his motion would simply be that the zoning is improper and therefore the
project should be denied.
Commissioner Ruttenberg moved to amend the motion to state that the proposed
project is inconsistent with the Institutional zoning, and the proposed text
amendment is not proper, seconded by Commissioner Tomblin.
Chairman Perestam asked the Commissioners if they had a preference as to the age
restriction required for the property. He noted that both 55 and 62 have been
discussed.
Commissioner Gerstner preferred that the housing be made available to the greatest
number of people possible.
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Commissioner Tomblin supported the 62 age requirement, as he felt it would have the
lesser amount of impact on the surrounding neighborhoods. He felt that with the 55 age
requirement there are some loopholes that could create a different environment.
Commissioner Ruttenberg did not think that was a question that could be answered with
the information that has been presented, as it is tied into issues of transportation and
shopping.
Commissioner Knight also preferred the 62 and above age restriction, as it better
addresses many of the concerns expressed by the community. He felt that the intent of
this project was to provide affordable senior housing, and the 62 limit is closer to
achieving that intent.
Vice Chairman Lewis and Chairman Perestarn both favored the 62 age restriction.
Before taking the vote, Director Rojas noted that Vice Chairman Lewis was absent from
the first public hearing for this project and asked if he had read the minutes or watched
the tape from that meeting.
Vice Chairman Lewis stated that he had watched the tape of the meeting.
The motion to recommend that the project is inconsistent with the Institutional
zoning district and to not support the proposed zone text amendment was
approved, (5-1) with Commissioner Knight dissenting®
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2® View Preservation Permit No. 2008-00036: 31021 Ganado Drive
Senior Planner Alvarez presented the staff report, explained this is an appeal by the
foliage owners of the Director's decision regarding a View Preservation Permit. He
briefly reviewed the permit application and showed several photos of the applicant's
view and how the subject pine tree impairs the view. He explained that in approving the
View Preservation Permit application, the Director instructed the foliage owners to trim
the pine tree crown approximately three feet, or to the dashed red line shown on the
photographs displayed, so that the 2004 view of the ocean would be protected and
preserved. He noted that the City Arborist believes that the amount of trimming
necessary to preserve the view is well within the tolerable levels of trimming. He
reviewed the five criteria necessary to approve a View Preservation application, noting
the Director determined all five findings could be made, and therefore the application
was subsequently approved. He explained that, as noted in the foliage owner's appeal
letter, they have raised three issues in their appeal: the improper reliance on post-
trimming photo which resulted from the appellants' good faith efforts; potential privacy
impacts; and alleged improper procedures and due process violations. He stated that
staff addressed each argument in the staff report and found that none of the points have
merit and warrant any change to the Director's decision. He concluded by stating that
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staff is recommending the Commission adopt the draft Resolution denying the appeal
and upholding the Director's approval of the View Preservation Permit upon finding that
all of the required findings have been correctly made and all provisions of the applicable
sections of the Municipal Code have been complied with.
Vice Chairman Lewis explained that one of the issues raised by the appellant was that
there will be a loss of privacy if some or all of the trimming was ordered. He did not
think the staff report was adequate in depicting the potential privacy impact, so he went
to the foliage owner's deck, stood in the middle of the deck, and took a picture looking
up at the house above. He submitted that picture for the Commission to consider.
Commissioner Knight asked if the February 2004 photos (Figures 1A and 1 B) were
submitted to the City for documentation of existing view or foliage in June 2004, and if
staff then performed a site visit to verify the documentation before putting the photos in
the file.
Senior Planner Alvarez answered that the applicant had taken these photographs after
trimming had occurred in 2004 and submitted these photographs to the City. He
explained that for documenting the view, the City Guidelines allow for resident to
document their own view and submit that documentation to the City. When the resident
then wants to exercise the View Preservation application, staff will then visit the property
and review the submitted photographs on file.
Commissioner Knight stated that the foliage owners have claimed they did not receive
the letters sent by the City, and noted in the staff report a statement that a letter mailed
to the foliage owner was returned unclaimed. He questioned if that meant the applicant
didn't receive the letter or if that meant the applicant refused to sign for the letter.
Senior Planner Alvarez explained that the returned letter did not have details on why it
was returned. He stated that it was his understanding that if there is nobody at home
the postman will leave a notice that they have a letter that must be signed for. A certain
number of days will go by with several attempts at delivery before the letter is returned
to the sender, in this case the City.
Commissioner Knight asked if staff's trimming recommendation for the tree was based
on a photograph or if it was based on the 16 foot or ridge height level.
Senior Planner Alvarez answered that it was based on the height of the pine tree shown
in the photograph taken in 2004.
Commissioner Knight asked if the height of the pine tree shown in the 2004 photograph
is 16 feet or less.
Senior Planner Alvarez explained that staff recommended the tree be trimmed to a
height shown in the photograph, which is above the ridge line.
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Director Rojas stated that the Guidelines require the Commissioners to visit the
applicant's property to participate in the public hearing. He asked if any Commissioners
had not visited the applicant's property.
All Commissioners indicated that they had visited the applicant's property.
Vice Chairman Lewis asked if both the foliage owner and view applicant informed staff
that, historically the foliage had been trimmed, and there was no photograph, would that
verbal evidence is sufficient to grant a View Preservation application.
Senior Planner Alvarez explained that a photograph allows staff to establish the height
of a tree at a given point in time. Without a photograph it is difficult for staff to determine
to what height the tree should be brought back to. He could not recall ever approving a
View Preservation Permit without a view documentation photograph on file.
Chairman Perestarn opened the public hearing.
Hong Fang (appellant) explained that she has always allowed, and will continue to
allow, the applicant to enter her property to trim the tree at her own expense. She
stated she is also open to any discussion on cost sharing. She explained that in 2004
the applicant had explained to her that the tree had grown into her view, and that there
had been an agreement with the previous owner to allow her to trim the tree at her own
expense. Because her circumstances had changed, she asked Ms. Fang and her
husband to share the cost of trimming the tree, to which they agreed. She was very
upset to learn that right after the tree was trimmed the applicant took a picture of the
tree that she would then use against her for future tree trimming. She explained that the
view seen in the picture exists because she and her husband agreed to share in the
cost to trim the tree, and the view would not exist if she had not generously agreed to
help her with the costs. She stated that during entire process, despite their repeated
requests, they were never given a fair chance to speak. She stated that city staff visited
Ms. Curtis' property several times but never went to her property to view the tree, and
staff has denied all her requests to visit the property.
Commissioner Knight asked Ms. Fang if she was in town and received the certified
letter sent by staff.
Ms. Fang answered she was in town but did not receive the letter.
Jim Fang (appellant) felt the issue is whether this should be a view restoration or a view
preservation case. He felt this should be a view restoration case rather than view
preservation because the view photo is not qualified. Secondly, even assuming the
view photos are qualified, when he received the letter from city staff on September 4th
Ms. Curtis did not have a view preservation case. He explained that in the letter two
photos were attached, and one was taken from the second floor of the residence. He
also did not think the photo was submitted by Ms. Curtis and the photograph was never
verified by city staff. He did not think the second photograph was qualifying either, as
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the photo was not taken from a qualified view spot. He stated the photo was taken by
city staff.
Josephine Curtis stated she moved into her in 1968 because of the ocean view, and
she wants to preserve that ocean view. She explained that when she asked her
neighbors to top their tree they refused her request. She contacted the City and has
complied with City guidelines for view preservation. She felt that staff has done a very
good job and was thankful for their help.
Commissioner Ruttenberg asked Ms. Curtis if she had an arrangement with the prior
owners of the neighboring property regarding the tree trimming.
Ms. Curtis explained that she did not have any agreement or arrangement with the
former neighbors. She had asked them to trim the tree and they had given her
permission to have it done at her expense, which at the time was only $40. She stated
that she did that twice over the years with her former neighbors.
Greg Curtis explained that while growing up at this residence there was always an
inherent understanding between all of the neighbors that the homeowner would take
care of any vegetation blocking a neighbor's view. He stated that from the kitchen,
living room, family room, and dining room of his mother's home one cannot look down
into the Fang's yard, only out to the ocean. Therefore, he did not think there were any
view issues. Rather, he felt this is a quality of life issue for his mother to preserve a
view of the ocean that was part of the household when she moved into the house in
1968. He stated that his mother has adhered to the procedures set out by the City. He
felt that the facts laid out in the staff report which support his mother's application, and
urged the Planning Commission to support this View Preservation Permit application.
Commissioner Ruttenberg asked Mr. Curtis if he had information on the tree trimming
done prior to 2004.
Mr. Curtis answered that he did not live at the residence in 2004, but has talked to his
mother about the trimming over the years.
Chairman Perestam noted that the Fang's had stated they allowed Mrs. Curtis to come
on the property and trim the tree, and asked why this can't be resolved by Mrs. Curtis
trimming the tree out of her view.
Mr. Curtis explained that it was his understanding that his mother agreed to trim the tree
herself on one occasion in 2004, however she believes that under the law it is not her
responsibility to continue to cut the tree.
Mr. Fang (in rebuttal) felt that because there is a difference between view restoration
and view preservation, there was not a concurrent proceeding when doing the
mediation. He explained that during mediation for view preservation, he felt that one
party is 100 percent right and the other party has no leverage. He asked how that can
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be considered early neighborhood consultation. Therefore, he felt the City fails to make
the first finding of early neighborhood consultation.
Commissioner Tomblin asked Mr. Fang what he would like to see happen with this
process.
Mr. Fang stated that the neighbor started with the view restoration process to restore
her view, and that should be what is being determined, not view preservation. He was
felt that the applicant should pay the view restoration application fee to the City as well,
as this would force the applicant back to the negotiation table to reach a beneficially
economical decision. He added that part of his appeal is that the City should encourage
a nice community and should be based on people respecting each other, and a City
code should not encourage people to act in bad faith.
Commissioner Ruttenberg asked staff if there is any basis for a view restoration permit
rather than view preservation permit.
Senior Planner Alvarez answered there is not.
Commissioner Ruttenberg felt this issue is solely about who will pay for the trimming of
this tree. He did not think there was any violation of due process with this case, and all
arguments have been made to staff and the Planning Commission. He felt that under
any circumstances, the most Mrs. Curtis would have had to pay was to trim this tree
once, which she has already done. He therefore agreed with staff's recommendation.
Vice Chairman Lewis felt that the foliage owners acted out of sympathy and good faith
in cutting their trees. In cutting the tree they did create a view, and once that view is
documented the view owner has certain rights. He stated that he supports staff
recommendation.
Vice Chairman Lewis moved to uphold the Director's approval of the View
Preservation Permit, seconded by Commissioner Knight®
Commissioner Knight explained he supports the motion, as the applicant has followed
the guidelines set forth by the City. He empathized with the foliage owner, however he
felt all proper procedures were followed. He also agreed with the arborist's report that
the required amount of trimming will not kill the tree.
Commissioner Tomblin agreed with the comments made by the Commissioners. He
asked staff if the procedure will be that, if the Commission denies the appeal and
approves the View Restoration Permit, the foliage owner will trim the tree to the level
specified by staff, and maintain the tree at that level.
Senior Planner Alvarez explained that if the appeal is denied, the foliage owner will be
given 90 days to trim the tree to the level recommended by staff, and maintain it to that
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level on the anniversary of the original trimming. He stated that staff will also document
the trimming.
The motion to adopt P.C. Resolution 2009-05 thereby upholding the Director's
approval of View Preservation Permit 2006-00036 was approved, (6-0)
APPROVAL OF MINUTE
3. Minutes of December 11, 2006
Commissioner Ruttenberg moved to approve the minutes as presented,
seconded by Commissioner Tomblin. Approved, (4-0-2) with Commissioner
Gerstner and Vice Chairman Lewis abstaining since they were absent from that
meeting.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDA
4. re-Agenda for the meeting of February 24, 2009
The Planning Commission unanimously approved the pre-agenda for February 24,
2009.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 12:09 a.m.
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