PC MINS 20050426CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES
PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 26, 2005
CALL TO ORDER
Appr3d5z.
May 11
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Tetreault at 7:02 p.m. at the Fred Hesse
Community Room, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard,
FLAG SALUTE
Commissioner Gerstner led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present: Commissioners Gerstner, Golida, Vice Chairman Knight, and Chairman
Tetreault.
Absent: Commissioners Mueller, Karp, and Perestam were excused.
Also present were Director of Planning, Building and Code Enforcement Rojas, Deputy
Director Pfost, Senior Planner Alvarez, Associate Planner Schonborn, and Associate
Planner Blumenthal.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Gerstner suggested moving Agenda Items 6 and 7 to be heard after
Agenda Item 11.
COMMUNICATIONS
Director/Secretary Rojas distributed correspondence related to Agenda Item No. 3 and
suggested changes to the March 8th minutes by Commissioner Mueller. He also
reported that at the last City Council meeting, the council took action on the Tract
Amendment project on Ocean Terrace Drive.
Chairman Tetreault reported that he, as well as other Commissioners, attended the
Planners Institute Conference last week and that he also attended the Mayor's
Breakfast.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE REGARDING NON -AGENDA ITEMS
None
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Encroachment Permit (ZON2005-00095)j Palos Verdes Drive South &
Schooner
P.C. Resolution 2005-17 was adopted, thereby approving the Encroachment
Permit as presented by staff. (4-0).
2. General Plan Consistency Finding
Vice Chairman Knight asked if this item was due to the settlement agreement and if the
setback complies with the settlement agreement.
Deputy Director Pfost answered that the setback complies with the settlement
agreement. He explained that the settlement agreement identifies the configuration of
the setback area. He explained that the Planning Commission is being asked to make
the consistency finding and the City Council will then accept the document.
Vice Chairman Knight asked if there was a reason the Planning Commission was not
being asked to make a finding that this is also consistent with the Coastal Specific Plan.
Deputy Director Pfost explained that the state mandate requires consistency with the
General Plan, noting the Coastal Specific Plan is part of the General Plan.
P.C. Resolution 2005-18 was adopted, thereby finding that the City's acceptance
of the "additional non -golf setback" areas at the Trump National Golf Course is
consistent with the General Plan. (4-0)
CONTINUED BUSINESS
. View Restoration Permit No. 184: 2652 Colt Road
Director/Secretary Rojas polled the Commissioners as to who had visited the applicant's
property. All of the Planning Commissioners present had visited the site and were
eligible to participate in the hearing.
Senior Planner Alvarez presented the staff report, explaining that staff has worked with
the City Attorney to craft language for a revised resolution. He also noted that the
applicant has been working with the property owner at 2403 Sparta Drive (Mrs. Pho) in
hopes of resolving any issues of view impairing trees found on her property. He stated
that staff has received late correspondence from the foliage owner and Mrs. Pho, which
has been distributed to the Planning Commission. He explained that, as a result of the
correspondence a change to the current staff recommendation is warranted, as Mrs.
Pho has stated she would like the matter dealt with through the view ordinance process.
Therefore, staff is recommending the item be continued to the Planning Commission
meeting of July 26, 2005, in order to allow staff the time to schedule and meet with Mrs.
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Pho in a mediation setting, and if necessary, formally add Mrs. Pho as a second foliage
owner to the current application request.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
Ken Poole 2652 Colt Road (applicant) stated that he had no objection to a continuance.
He also noted that he has contacted an engineer to get information on what would be
needed to conduct a survey, and also spoke to the staff, so that he could give the
money necessary to conduct the survey to the City.
Don Johnston 2417 Sparta Drive stated that he felt the Planning Commission
determined that trees 1 through 4 are creating a significant view impairment for the
applicant, and therefore should be trimmed or removed. He stated that his concerned
was that enough information was not available to guarantee that the applicant's view will
be restored by the removal of those trees, and that had always been his contention. He
felt that he and Mrs. Pho could get together and determine which trees should be
removed or trimmed and restore the applicant's view. He felt it was important that a
survey be done so that the continuing obligation to trim the trees can be assessed to
one person or the other. He did not think the application should have been deemed
complete without accurate information regarding the property lines and the ownership of
all of the trees in question. He also felt that the topo map submitted by the City in the
staff report was incomplete as it does not show all down view foliage, and the
conclusions staff made regarding the tree height requirements for view infringement are
wrong. He stated that if the down view trees below 6457 Via de Anzar needed to be
100 feet tall to infringe on the applicant's view, there would currently be no view
impairment at all from any trees. He felt that the intent of the View Restoration
Ordinance was to restore the view while protecting the non -view impairing foliage. He
did not think it was acceptable to destroy trees and hope that other foliage owners not in
the application would agree in the future to trim the offending foliage. He felt that the
proper way to handle this matter is to make sure the view will be fully restored at the
time the trimming or removal of the application covered trees is required to be done. He
did not think the application trees should be trimmed or destroyed until the trimming or
removal of the non -application trees has been performed.
Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Gerstner asked staff if it was anticipated that a survey of the property
would be done prior to the July 26th Planning Commission meeting.
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that, as it now stands, a survey will be required prior
to the trees being trimmed, after the decision on the application has been made by the
Planning Commission. He stated that once the additional foliage owner (Mrs. Pho) has
been added to the application, staff may change that recommendation.
Chairman Tetreault expressed his concern regarding the ownership of the trees. He
understood why the applicant may not want to pay for a survey before a decision is
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made regarding the trees, as the decision may prove a survey is unnecessary.
However, he also was concerned that without the ownership of the trees established it
could be difficult for the foliage owner to present a strong and valid case before the
Planning Commission.
Director/Secretary Rojas agreed, however he noted that in written statement from Mrs.
Pho she indicated that the trees may be hers and wanted to go through the City's View
Ordinance process.
Vice Chairman Knight stated that at the last Planning Commission hearing on this item it
was determined that the trees do block a view. He felt that trees need to be treated
consistently, and made sense to have them on the same application, rather than two
applications, and therefore agrees with the course the staff is taking on this application.
Chairman Tetreault agreed that the Planning Commission had decided the trees cause
a view impact, and therefore he felt that there was no reason to delay the survey, as it
will be necessary at some point in the process. He felt that doing the survey now to
determine who the owner of the trees is will put everyone in a better position later on to
avoid controversy with future action by the Planning Commission.
Director/Secretary Rojas noted that to do the survey it will require going on the foliage
owner's property, and there may be resistance to that. He explained that the only way
to do the survey now would be to ask the foliage owner to cooperate to let a surveyor on
the property to do the work.
Mr. Johnston stated that he would be willing to consent to allow land surveyors on his
property.
Commissioner Gerstner moved to continue the public hearing to July 26th, as
recommended by staff, seconded by Vice Chairman Knight. Approved, (4-0)
4. Variance. Height Variation. and Grading Permit (Case No. Z0N2004-00451):
Associate Planner Schonborn presented the staff report, explaining that the lot was
created by Parcel Map subdivision in 1989. In addition to the Parcel Map, a grading
application had been approved for a new single-family residence. Athough the design
was approved, the approval expired, as no plans were submitted to Building and Safety
for plan check. Therefore, a new application was submitted for the construction of a
new house, similar in design to the previously approved plans. He briefly described the
property and the buildable area on that property and the design of the proposed new
house. He explained the need for the Variance, Height Variation, and Grading Permit.
In regards to the Height Variation, there was a concern from the neighbor at 45
Rockinghorse Road that a portion of their view would be blocked. In response to this
concern staff conducted a view analysis, however because the resident's viewing area
at 45 Rockinghorse Road is at a higher elevation from the street and the subject
property is downslope of the street, staff concluded that the new structure will not
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encroach into the view frame from the viewing area at 45 Rockinghorse Road. He
noted that the owner at 45 Rockinghorse Road was concerned that portions of her view
would also be blocked from the lower level area on her property, however he noted that
the area consists of a garage, driveway, and yard area which is not considered a
viewing area per the Height Variation Guidelines. He also noted a letter from a
neighbor stating concern regarding the drainage, as there is a drainpipe located on the
property that drains into a canyon. He explained that there may be the need for some
modifications to that drainpipe, however the drainage issues will be addressed in the
Building and Safety plan check process. Therefore, staff concluded that all of the
necessary findings pertaining to the Variance, Height Variation, and Grading Permit
applications can be made, and recommends approval of the project as presented in the
staff report.
Vice Chairman Knight asked staff if there would be any improvements required on the
drainage pipe, or would it remain as is.
Associate Planner Schonborn explained there may be modifications made to the
drainage pipe, however those modifications will be made if recommended by the
engineer and the Building and Safety Department through the plan check process.
Vice Chairman Knight was concerned that the drainage pipe appears to run under the
proposed driveway and asked if there are any provisions in the approval that the owner
will provide access to that area if the need arises.
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that there could be an agreement with the
property owner to ensure that if there are problems, he acknowledges the fact that his
driveway may be disturbed to get to the problem.
Vice Chairman Knight felt it was important to have some type of formal agreement or
condition on the approval that access to the drainage pipe will be granted, especially if
there is no recorded easement on the property. He noted that there may not be an
issue with the current property owner, but there are no guarantees with subsequent
owners.
Associate Planner Schonborn felt that was a good point, and noted that the Planning
Commission can add language to the approval to deal with this issue.
Vice Chairman Knight asked if the original conditions of approval for the lot that were
put in place in 1989 would still have to be complied with on this new approval for the
house.
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that those conditions do still apply, and for
clarify staff can add a condition to the current Conditions of Approval that the previous
conditions of approval still apply.
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Commissioner Golida agreed with the Vice Chairman's concern that language be
included guaranteeing access to the drainpipe. He discussed the drainage and asked
staff if the Building and Safety plan check process will look at drainage and the catch
basin to assure the down gradient property owner's concerns about excessive water
flow will be addressed.
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that Building and Safety will be looking at
drainage details during the plan check process.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
Rick Holguin (property owner) discussed the drainage and stated that, because it
affects his property, it is an important issue to him. He explained he has done research
and could find no recorded easements for the drain pipe and that it was most likely put
in by a private party, as it is not City or County owned. He explained that the drain does
not serve any purpose for draining his property, but rather it serves a purpose for any
water buildup on the opposite side of Rockinghorse Road. He stated that his architect
has taken into account the drainage and the drainpipe, and will work with Building and
Safety to ensure it is adequate and proper.
Commissioner Gerstner asked Mr. Holguin if he has actually seen the drainage pipe.
Mr. Holguin said he has seen it. He explained it is a steel pipe of approximately 2 feet
in diameter, starts across the street, runs under the street, and empties into a swale that
goes down the canyon.
Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Chairman Tetreault stated that when he visited the property he spoke with the owner at
45 Rockinghorse Road and was told that the property owner was "giving up" on the
challenge as to view impairment from her home.
Chairman Tetreault asked staff if there was anything the Commission should know
about in terms of conditioning the project upon the maintenance of the present drainage
capability.
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that the property is being developed with a
residence that could have impacts upon access to the drain and future maintenance of
the drain. He felt that conditions could be added that the manhole be made accessible
to the public or City for repair and/or maintenance.
Commissioner Gerstner understood the need for a condition which would allow the
access for someone to maintain or repair the drain, however he was hesitant to require
the applicant to maintain a subterranean drain that goes through his property that he
has no control over the inlet or possibly even the swale that it drains into. He
recommended the Commission look at it more from the attitude of what an easement
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allows, such as providing things that allow the appropriate party to maintain the drain as
opposed to asking the applicant to maintain the drain.
Vice Chairman Knight agreed with Commissioner Gerstner's comments.
Commissioner Golida agreed, adding that when he visited the site it was his
determination that the drainage pipe was placed by individuals to address flow from a
very small area, and wondered if the pipe was even necessary. He questioned if it
would not be better to remove or cap the drain pipe at the time of grading, noting that a
more sophisticated drainage system will be put into place while the house is being built.
Chairman Tetreault stated he would be reluctant to make such a determination, as he
has not seen the hydrology study and was not aware of where the water was coming
from and what purpose the drain pipe actually served.
Director/Secretary Rojas read from the section of the Code discussing slope drain
maintenance, and suggested adding a condition that says the property owner shall not
interfere with the flow of the drain.
Vice Chairman Knight stated that he too visited the property at 45 Rockinghorse Road
and felt that the pictures in the staff report accurately reflect what he saw, and that he
did not feel there was any view impairment from her viewing area. He stated that he
agrees with staff on all of the findings.
Chairman Tetreault was comfortable with the plans submitted in terms of the drainage
and the actual house. He noted that he was able to make the necessary findings for
approval.
Vice Chairman moved to adopt P.C. Resolution 2005-19 thereby approving the
Height Variation, Variance, and Grading Permit as presented by staff, with the
additional condition added that ties this approval in with Resolution 1989-29
Exhibit A, as well as a condition that states the property owner shall take no
action that will interfere with, impede the flow of, or reduce the effectiveness of in
any way or manner of the private drain located on the subject property, seconded
by Commissioner Golida. Approved, (4-0).
RECESS AND RECONVENE
At 8:35 p.m. the Planning Commission took a short recess until 8:50 p.m. at which time
they reconvened.
CONTINUED BUSINESS (cont)
5. Conditional Use Permit (Case No. ZON2004-00230] 30940 Hawthorne Blvd.
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Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the
project. He stated that staff feels that all of the necessary findings could be mde and
was recommending approval of the project with the conditions noted in the staff report.
Vice Chairman Knight asked if there was a reason this antenna could not be placed on
the existing monopole rather than on the building.
Associate Planner Blumenthal explained that recently the Planning Commission
considered a modification to the monopole that was denied. He explained that the
City's consultant found that the antennas that are currently on the tower can be moved
to the building, thus allowing removal of the tower. He explained that staff is trying to
not approve any more antennas on the tower, but rather instillation of the antennas on
the building to allow for the removal of the tower.
Commissioner Golida asked if staff knew the dBA of the equipment.
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that staff does not know the dDA, however
noted that the equipment is typically very quiet.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
Gary O'Leary (representing the applicant) stated that he was available to answer any
questions.
Chairman Tetreault asked what the purpose of the antenna will be and how it will be
used.
Mr. O'Leary explained that the antenna is going to complete the radio system that is
throughout the peninsula and up to Manhattan Beach.
Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Gerstner moved to adopt P.C. Resolution 2005-20 thereby
approving the Conditional Use Permit as recommended by staff, seconded by
Commissioner Golida. Approved, (4-0)
PUBLIC HEARINGS
8. 3 month review of light (Case No. ZON2003-00205): 5842 Crestridge Road
Associate Planner Schonborn presented the staff report, explaining the parking lot
lighting that was approved by the Planning Commission, and the condition that was
imposed that required the lighting be reviewed 3 months from Building and Safety
permit final. He stated that staff has received no complaints and there are no impacts
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that have resulted from these lights, and therefore recommends the Planning
Commission approve the 3 -month review via Minute Order.
Vice Chairman Knight asked if staff has confirmed the lights have the proper wattage in
them.
Associate Planner Schonborn answered that staff has confirmed the proper wattage is
in place.
Vice Chairman Knight referred to Resolution 2003-54, noting the condition that requires
the hedges remain at the height of the light standard. In looking at the picture, he felt
that maintaining the hedge at the lamp height might still allow for some spillover into the
apartments above.
Associate Planner Schonborn explained that, in addition to the height of the hedge,
there is a wall behind the hedge which also helps to mitigate any light spilling over to the
neighboring properties.
Vice Chairman Knight asked if there will be any future review of this Conditional Use
Permit.
Associate Planner Schonborn explained that this will be the only review unless the
Planning Commission adds a future review. He noted that if staff begins to receive
complaints, the Conditional Use Permit could possibly be brought back to the Planning
Commission.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing, and there being no speakers,
closed the public hearing.
Chairman Tetreault commented that he didn't see any reason for a future review
process, noting that there is a mechanism in place for a future review if staff receives
complaints.
Commissioner Gerstner felt that this review was sufficient, as staff had been to the site
and reviewed the conditions, and no complaints have been received. He stated that if
conditions at the site change and the neighbors have a problem with that, there is a
mechanism in place for these complaints. He did not think it was necessary to build
more buerocracy into the system.
Vice Chairman Knight's concern was that residents may not know they have the
opportunity to voice their concerns about the lighting until they receive the notice about
the review before the Planning Commission.
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that a resident who feels they are being impacted by
this lighting may contact staff, and the Code Enforcement Officer will investigate the
complaints. If it is confirmed that changes have been made that do not comply with the
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permit, staff can rescind the permit or the applicant can apply for a revision to the
Conditional Use Permit that will go before the Planning Commission.
Vice Chairman Knight was concerned that the Conditional Use Permit requires the
bushes be trimmed to the height of the light, however the response staff is getting from
the neighbors now is based on a condition where the bushes are very high and thick.
He felt that if the bushes were all taken down to the height of the light and suddenly
neighbors began to see a light they had not seen before and contacted staff, staff would
note that the bushes were trimmed according to the conditions of the Conditional Use
Permit.
Chairman Tetreault asked staff what would happen if the bushes were cut down to the
level just above the lights and staff began to receive complaints about the lights. He
asked if there was a mechanism by which the City reviews the lighting and can make
new findings or more conditions.
Director/Secretary Rojas explained that if there is no violation of a condition the
Conditional Use Permit cannot come back to the Planning Commission. He noted that
staff would review the site to make sure all of the other conditions are being adhered to.
Associate Planner Schonborn added that there is an existing wall at the top of the slope,
and the height of the light standards are not projecting any higher than the height of the
top of the wall. He felt that even if the bushes are trimmed down to just above the
height of the light standards, there will be no impact because of the wall. He also noted
that the lights are inset and shine down.
Commissioner Golida moved to approve the three-month review via minute order,
as recommended by staff, seconded by Vice Chairman Knight. Approved, (4-0)
9. Revision to Height Variation (Case No. Z0N2005-00108)j 5416 Littlebow Rd
Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report, explaining that when the
Height Variation was originally approved the Planning Commission required the
bedroom window on the second story be a clearstory window. He explained the
applicant was requesting the condition be modified to allow a full size translucent glass
window instead of the clearstory window. He explained that it was staff's opinion that
this request does not alter any of the findings made in the original resolution and that
providing the translucent glass window will achieve the same goals in protecting the
neighbor's privacy as the clearstory window, and recommends approval of the revision
to the Height Variation.
Commissioner Gerstner asked if there were any safety concerns with the translucent or
clearstory windows.
Associate Planner Blumenthal explained that bedrooms have certain egress
requirements which will be met by placing the window on either wall.
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Commissioner Gerstner asked if the translucent window would be an operable window.
Associate Planner Blumenthal answered that it would be an openabie window.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
David Sun 5416 Littlebow Road (applicant) presented slides to the Planning
Commission to clarify any concerns that the Planning Commission or his neighbor might
have regarding the window. He explained that he was simply proposing to change two
windows around to help preserve the symmetry of the second story addition. He
showed on the slides the vegetation between his property and his neighbors' and
explained that he will not be able to see into their yard from that window.
Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Chairman Tetreault noted that in a previous home he owned the worst feature of that
home were the asymmetrical windows, and this request to add symmetry to the
windows is a reasonable request.
Vice Chairman Knight felt this was a minor change and was reasonable, and was in
favor of the staff recommendation.
Commissioner Gerstner moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No 2005-21 thereby
approving the revision to the conditions of approval for the Height Variation, as
presented by staff, seconded by Commissioner Golida. Approved, (4-0)
10. Height Variation (ZON2005-00060): 29605 Grandpoint
Associate Planner Blumenthal presented the staff report, explaining the scope of the
project and the need for the Height Variation. He stated that staff could make the
necessary findings and was recommending approval of the project, subject to the
recommended conditions of approval in the Resolution.
Vice Chairman Knight asked how the current construction at the site relates to this
application.
Associate Planner Blumenthal explained that the current construction at the site is a
single story addition that was approved by the Director, and does not relate to this
application.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing.
Patti Mahaffey 29605 Grandpoint Lane (applicant) stated she was available for any
questions regarding the project.
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There being no questions, Chairman Tetreault closed the public hearing.
Vice Chairman Knight stated he was able to make the necessary findings, and
architecturally the house is a nice blend with the neighborhood.
Chairman Tetreault agreed, noting there has been quite a bit of remodeling in that
community and this addition will be compatible with the neighborhood. He stated that
he too was able to make the necessary findings to approve the Height Variation.
Vice Chairman Knight moved to adopt P.C. Resolution No. 2005-22 thereby
approving the Height Variation as presented by staff, seconded by Commissioner
Golida. Approved, (4-0)
11. View Restoration Permit No. 145: 28016 Calzada Drive
Director/Secretary Rojas presented the staff report, explaining that the Planning
Commission imposed a condition stating that once the first six trees are trimmed staff
would re-evaluate the view and, if necessary, require additional trimming on four trees
and the staff recommendation would be brought before the Planning Commission for
review. He explained that staff has evaluated the view and does not think trimming is
necessary, and the applicant agrees. Therefore, staff is recommending no further
action be taken.
Chairman Tetreault opened the public hearing, and there being no speakers,
closed the public hearing.
Vice Chairman Knight stated that if the applicant is satisfied with the view it would not
be for the Planning Commission to preempt.
Vice Chairman Knight moved to approve the staff recommendation and take no
further action, seconded by Commissioner Gerstner. Approved, (4-0)
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
6. Minutes of March 8, 2005
Chairman Tetreault noted that he had recused himself from Item No. 2 on this agenda
and therefore would not make comments on or vote on Item No. 2 on the minutes,
however he was present and participated in the rest of the Agenda.
Director/Secretary Rojas reported Commissioner Mueller's suggested changes that
were handed out before the meeting. He noted changes on pages 4 and 5 of the
minutes.
Chairman Knight moved to approve the minutes as amended, seconded by
Commissioner Gerstner. Approved, (3-0-1) with Commissioner Golida abstaining.
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7. Minutes of March 22, 2005
Commissioner Gerstner moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded
by Vice Chairman Knight. Approved, (3-0-1) with Commissioner Golida
abstaining.
ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDAS
12. Pre -Agenda for the meeting of Mav 12, 2005
The pre -agenda was discussed and approved as presented.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:51 p.m.
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