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RANCHO PALOS VERDES CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 4, 1998
The meeting was called to order at 7:07 P.M. by Mayor Ferraro at Fred Hesse
Community Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard. After the Pledge of Allegiance, roll call
was answered as follows:
PRESENT: Byrd, Lyon, McTaggart, Hollingsworth, and Mayor Ferraro
ABSENT: None
Also present were City Manager Les Evans; Assistant City Manager Carolynn Petru;
City Attorney Carol Lynch; Director of Planning, Building & Code Enforcement Joel
Rojas; Acting Director of Public Works Dean Allison; Director of Finance Dennis
McLean; Director of Administrative Services/City Clerk Jo Purcell; Senior Planner Greg
Pfost; Associate Planner Kit Fox; View Restoration Project Coordinator Trayci Nelson;
and, Recording Secretary Jackie Drasco.
CEREMONIAL MATTERS (304 x 1101)
The Mayor presented a 15-year service pin to Public Works Permit Clerk Becky Martin
and a 10-year service pin to Planning Building and Code Enforcement Director Joel
Rojas.
RECYCLE DRAWING(1204 x 1301)
A name was drawn for the month of November and the Mayor announced the winner for
October was Millie Yelusich, who will receive one year of paid trash service.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Councilman McTaggart moved, seconded by Councilmember Lyon, to approve the
Agenda as presented. The motion carried.
APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR:
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, spoke to the following Consent Calendar items: the
Six Month Review of Job Sharing Program, the Refuse and Recycling Survey and the
Annual Destruction of Records.
Councilman McTaggart moved, seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Hollingsworth, to approve
the Consent Calendar as follows:
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Notice of Completion for Montemalaga Median Landscape Improvement Project -
Bennett Enterprises - (1204 x 1405)
1. Accepted the work as complete; 2. Authorized the City Clerk to record a Notice of
Completion with the County Recorder; if no claims are filed 35 days after recordation,
and upon the contractor posting an acceptable warranty bond, notify the surety
company of the exoneration of the Payment and Performance bonds; and, 3.
Authorized the Finance Director to release the 10% retention payment 35 days after
recordation of the Notice of Completion by the County Recorder contingent upon no
claims being filed on the project, and the contractor posting an acceptable warranty
bond.
Professional Services Agreement - Palos Verdes Drive East and Bronco Drive
Drainage (1204 x 604)
Approved a professional services agreement with Merit Civil Engineering, Inc. for
design, administration, and construction inspection of the Palos Verdes Drive East and
Bronco Drive drainage project for a fee of$52,900 and authorized the Mayor and City
Clerk to execute the agreement.
Six Month Review of Job Sharing Program (I 101 x 1202)
Received and filed the report.
Refuse and recycling survey -single family residences (1204 x 1304)
Approved the mailing of a refuse and recycling survey to single family residences.
Resol. No. 98-93 - Records Management -Annual destruction of records (301)
ADOPTED RESOL. NO. 98-931 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CIN OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES AUTHORIZING THE DESTRUCTION OF
CERTAIN CIN RECORDS AS PROVIDED BY SECTION 34090 OF THE
GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
Resol. No. 98-94 - Register of Demands (602)
ADOPTED RESOL. NO. 98-941 A RESOLUTION OF THE CIN COUNCIL OF THE
CIN OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS
AND SPECIFYING FUNDS FROM WHICH THE SAME ARE TO BE PAID.
The motion to approve the Consent Calendar carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Lyon, McTaggart, Byrd, and Mayor Ferraro
NOES: None
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PUBLIC HEARING:
Extension and Expansion of the Antenna Moratorium (1203 x 1801)
Mayor Ferraro opened the public hearing regarding the request for an extension and
expansion of the moratorium on the acceptance or processing of applications related to
the construction of more than one commercial antenna or ham radio antenna structure
on any lot within the City. City Clerk Purcell announced that notice had been duly
published and that all protest letters had been included in the agenda packet, with
some later correspondence having been distributed to Council just prior to the meeting.
Director Rojas presented the staff report of November 4,1998 and the recommendation
to adopt a proposed ordinance establishing a new Moratorium on the acceptance or
processing of applications and the issuance of permits or other entitlement for, and the
construction of, all commercial or amateur antennas or antenna structures.
Council discussion centered on the expansion to include all antennas and the rationale
for such a moratorium. It was argued, however, that the proposed one-year extension
could be shortened if the revision of the ordinance is completed sooner, and that the
45-day extension, and the one-year extension could be two separate actions.
Speaking in opposition to the staff recommendation were the following people:
Skip Hansen, 3250 Martingale Drive
Harold Hermann, 8 La Vista Verde
Roe Ramsey, 2629 West 235th Street, Torrance, CA 90505, L. A. County Disaster
Communications Service
Dale Hanks, 5225 Middlecrest Road, PV Amateur Radio Club
Robert Keefer, 5148 Silver Arrow Drive, PV Amateur Radio Club
Demetrius Hatzeson, 6542 Ocean Crest Drive, C-204
Herb Clarkson, 6424 Seabryn Drive, PV Amateur Radio Club
Dodie Clarkson, 6424 Seabryn Drive
John Freeman, 6850, PV Amateur Radio Club
Mark Lidikay, 920 E. Carson, ##43, Carson, CA 90745, Southern California Radio
Amateur Network
James P. Haire, 27102 Springcreek Road, PV Amateur Radio Club
Brian Tilley, 29026 Indian Valley Road
Peter K. Von Hagen, 32426 Conqueror
Rick Adams, California Microwave Relay Association
Jacqueline Mathis, 32426 Conqueror Drive
John Frederickson, 27526 Eastvale
Douglas Dowds, 415 E. 238th Street, Carson, CA 90745, PV Amateur Radio Club
Mark Abrams, 44 Oceanaire, Committee for Equitable Antenna Regulations
Jeff Hilmer, 26015 Narbonne Ave., #16, Committee for Equitable Antenna Regulations
Rick Eastwood, 25905 Narbonne Ave., Box#14, Committee for Equitable Antenna
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Regulations
Jim Jerzycke, 1880 West Carson Street, F-300, Torrance CA 90501
Bob Staner, 1934 253rd Street, Lomita, CA 90717
Michael Wuvestig, 13321 Wilson Street, California Microwave Relay Association
Tom Vegors, P. O. Box 2181,Rancho Palos Verdes
Joe Locascio, 29703 Whitley Collins
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recall the moratorium applying to all antennas; opposition to the one-year extension;
that the committee went too far in rewriting the entire ordinance and not just making ga
revision to it; and, that extension of the moratorium would people discourage le from
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participating in ham radio activities. Some felt that extending the moratorium was bad
for disaster preparedness and public safety; and, that the old ordinance was sufficient.
Some speakers felt that people were being deprived of the right to enjoy their hobby;
that the current ordinance could be amended by changing only a few words; and t
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the language in the proposed ordinance was too restrictive contradictoryand '
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to understand.
Speaking in favor of the staff recommendation:
Karyl Newton, 46 Oceanaire
Rosalind Stewart, no address given
Frank Lyon, member of the Planning Commission ad hoc Committee
These speakers expressed support to extend the moratorium and to hold the six
applications currently pending to avoid the confusion of switching codes in the mid
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of the permit process. They also felt that the old code was outdated and time should be
given to prepare a new one which would be equitable to all. It was stated that the
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code was almost ready to be reviewed by the Planning Commission and would theno
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City Council. This new ordinance would define specific antennas to make the
process simpler.
Representing the Antenna subcommittee was Planning Commissioner Frank Lyon
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felt that input from the radio club had been very helpful.
Council discussion clarified that revising the ordinance had been more complex p ex than
initially thought; that defining the various antennas was important to differentiate
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review as opposed to the larger antennas which would require more study.
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Recess and Reconvene: At 8:17 P.M. Mayor y Ferraro declared a recess. The meeting
reconvened at 8:20 P.M.
Mayor Ferraro closed theublic hearing.
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Councilman McTaggart moved for a 45-day extension.
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Council discussion of the motion focused on whether the ordinance should include the
expansion; and, the importance of the ordinance being clear for both staff and
applicants. The suggestion was made that the City Attorney, Planning Director and
Councilman McTaggart, who had been meeting with the ad hoc committee, finalize the
work almost completed by the committee. It was argued, however, that the committee
should be allowed to complete their work if they would do so in a timely manner which
would be submitted to the Planning Commission in time to provide the 15-day required
notice for a public hearing by mid-November.
After additional Council discussion of the motion, Councilman McTaggart's proposed
an amendment to extend the moratorium for 45 days, with expansion; direct that the
Planning Commission hear the item by January 1999; and, that the City Council hear
the item by February 1999. The motion as amended was seconded by Councilman
Byrd.
It was pointed out that a one year extension of the new moratorium could be considered
by the Counci I on December 1,1998, as a separate issue.
Mayor Ferraro re-opened the public hearing.
Frank Lyon of the ad hoc committee believed that the timing was reasonable and that
the committee should be able to meet the deadline.
Mayor Ferraro closed the public hearing.
The City Attorney clarified that the ordinance under consideration was the specific
ordinance included in the agenda packet.
Councilman McTaggart's motion failed on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Byrd, McTaggart
NOES: Lyon and Mayor Ferraro
ABSTAIN: Hollingsworth
Further Council discussion focused on the problems created in setting proposed
deadlines which might not be met and how to move the process along within a
reasonable time frame. It was explained that there had been various draft versions of
the proposed ordinance available for public review at each ad hoc committee meetings;
and, that at the time of the 15-day notice before the Planning Commission hearing,
copies of the proposed ordinance would be available.
Mayor Ferraro re-opened the public hearing.
Tom Vegors proposed some changes to the current code so the matter could be
finalized at the meeting. He said that the same proposal had been submitted to the ad
hoc committee by Herb Clarkson on August 5, 1998.
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Council consensus was to let the committee continue its work and it was clarified that
the Planning Commission had to first approve any ordinance for submittal to the
Council. Mr. Vegors's written proposal was submitted to the Planning Director.
Mayor Ferraro closed the public hearing.
Mayor Pro Tem Hollingsworth moved, seconded by Councilman McTaggart, TO
ADOPT ORDINANCE NO. 341 U, THEREBY ESTABLISHING A NEW 45-DAY
MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS AND
THE GRANTING OF PERMITS OR ENTITLEMENTS TO CONSTRUCT OR INSTALL
ON ANY LOT WITHIN THE CIN A COMMERCIAL OR AMATEUR ANTENNA OR
ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURE; to request staff to provide a copy of the draft
ordinance to the Council on December 1, 1998, to set appropriate deadlines for
submittal to the Planning Commission for review and to the City Council for approval.
The motion carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Byrd, Lyon, McTaggart, Hollingsworth, and Mayor Ferraro
NOES: None
Recess and Reconvene: At 9:02 P.M., Mayor Ferraro declared a recess. The meeting
reconvened at 9:09 P.M.
Appeal of the Planning Commission's approval of Grading Permit No. 1933
91203 x 1801)
Mayor Ferraro opened the public hearing on this request for approval of Grading Permit
No. 1933 for a new, single-family residence at 30764 Tarapaca Road (Richards/E/
Prado Estates Homeowners' Association, ETAS.). City Clerk Purcell announced that
notice had been duly published and that all protest letters had been included in the
agenda packet and that late correspondence had been distributed to Council just prior
to the meeting.
Associate Planner Fox presented the staff report of November 4,1998 and the
recommendation to adopt the proposed resolution denying the appeal and conditionally
approving Grading Permit No. 1933.
Council discussion centered on the impact on the South Shores landslide and whether
the landslide would impact the stability of the proposed home. It was agreed that this
particular landslide has not been studied as extensively as the Portuguese Bend and
Abalone Cove landslides, nor were there dewatering wells or GPS measurements.
James Lancaster, the City geologist, reported that the South Shores landslide is part of
an ancient landslide complex and it was felt there may be movement, however, there
are insufficient studies to determine the amount. He stated that this land movement was
a separate issue from this project and he believed that the proposed structure would
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have no impact on the landslide nor on the structure because of the caisson
foundation. He felt that the structure might even help land stability by improving
drainage.
Further Council discussion focused on the enforceability of conditions such as requiring
drought tolerant landscaping, the fact that there could be a broken pipe at any home,
and Mr. Lancaster's feeling that water could cause or increase movement of the South
Shore landslide. There was additional discussion about fissures re-occurring on the lot
after grading and the fact that the house should remain in place if the construction is
engineered properly with a foundation into bedrock. It was also argued that the water
would drain off the subject property ultimately onto City land; that there were probably
not multiple slide planes but that trenches show there is bentonite with rock intact
below.
The following speakers spoke in opposition to the staff recommendation:
Roslyn Stewart, Attorney for the EI Prado Estates Homeowners Association
Dr. David Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road
Keith Reynolds, 30745 Tarapaca Road
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road
Brett Walker, 30763 Tarapaca Road
William Larson, 2791 Vista Mesa, President of EI Prado Homeowners Association
James Reed, 30652 Palos Verdes Drive East
John Jordan, 30759 Tarapaca Road
Badrul Hoda, 3 Telegraph Hill Road, Sandwich, MA 02563
Jane Jones, 2747 Vista Mesa
Marie Bowers, 30529 Santa Luna Drive, EI Prado HOA
Ruth Racisz, 30751 Tarapaca Road
Clara Duran Reed, 30652 Palos Verdes Drive East
The concerns of these residents centered on the following issues: the threat of land
movement because of the large amount of soil proposed for removal; and, that geology
is not an exact science and geologists often disagree or cannot provide a guarantee for
stability. The fact that water entering the landslide could cause massive land
movement; the enforceability of conditions placed on the current owner and future
owners to control water; the fact that the landslide moved during the summer when
there was no rain. Another concern was the lack of protection offered by a hold
harmless agreement unless it was backed up by cash, a bond, or indemnity insurance;
what happened in the event the property owner declared bankruptcy; and, the liability
this would place on the City.
It was argued that the proposed structure could affect the South Shores landslide even
with a caissons foundation. It was also felt that the geologic studies had not been
thorough enough and the prohibition of a swimming pool on this property was an
indication of concern about its instability. One resident.reported that there was a
temporary sewer pipe which pulled apart and resulted in raw sewage spilling.
Additionally, the power pole on the property continuously sinks lower.
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It was pointed out that actions taken by Los Angeles County such as routing a sewer
away from this area through nearby Friendship Park and the decision not to build a
golf course on Friendship Park was some indication of the County's doubts about the
stability of this land. It was believed that if this new structure might cause even a
remote chance of land movement, it should not be allowed.
Speaking in favor of Staff Recommendation were the following persons:
Rick Brizendine, attorney for the landowner
Keith Ehlert, 27520 Hawthorne Blvd., Suite 220, Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274,
project geologist
Dr. Kim Bishop, 3425 East Chevy Chase, Glendale, CA 91206
Jeff Richards, 4246 Spencer Street, Torrance, 90503, property owner
Their comments focused on the following: that the proposed house would not be built
on the landslide but on bedrock about 150 to 200 feet above the landslide; that there
was conformance with City codes; that six geologists had studied the data gathered by
a geologist who was physically lowered on a cable into two 24-inch wide borings 60 to
65 feet deep; that evidence showed that the house was safe; that it was isolated and
that building the structure might even help prevent land movement because of
improved drainage by a system approved by the City to collect and direct surface
water.
Continuing, they said that there had been $40,000 spent on geological studies; that the
12 caissons, 60' deep were more than enough to hold the house in place. It was
believed that water from sprinklers would not be significant when compared with rain
runoff from Friendship Park; and, that the house next door had been built forty years
ago and has never experienced any movement.
Geologist Keith Ehlert opined that there would be no impact to the structure by the
landslide or vice versa.
Speaking in rebuttal, Dr. David Larue said that six geologists say the lot can be safely
built upon and that there are five who say it cannot, proving that geology is indeed not
an exact science.
Roslyn Stewart stated that it was possible to improve land stability without building this
home.
Also speaking in rebuttal, property owner Jeff Richards, verified that the staff report
stated that his property is 200 feet above the landslide.
Mayor Ferraro closed the public hearing.
Council discussion included the fact that not much was known about this particular
landslide, that there was a possibility that the project could cause land movement, that
control of water is critical, and that improved drainage with construction of the structure
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might help.
Councilman McTaggart moved to uphold the appeal and overturn the Planning
Commission's approval of Grading Permit No. 1933
Council consensus was that there were too many unknowns; some of them had seen
first hand cracks reappear after grading; and, that the City would spend millions of
dollars for further geologic testing and still there would be no guarantee of stability.
There was also concern that it would be difficult to enforce the conditions of approval
far into the future even though the approval would run with the land and the City would
have the right to periodically inspect the drainage system.
After discussion of the motion, Councilman McTaggart amended his motion to include
denial of the project without prejudice. The motion as amended was seconded by
Councilman Byrd. The motion carried.
Recess and Reconvene: At 11:20 P.M., Mayor Ferraro declared a recess. The
meeting reconvened at 11:35 P.M.
View Preservation Request No. 1-Appeal (1203 x 1806)
Mayor Ferraro opened the public hearing on this request for an appeal of View
Preservation Request No. 1-Appeal of the View Restoration Commission's
determination that foliage which was not included and, therefore, not subject to View
Restoration Permit No. 17, be trimmed to a point 8 feet above the bottom of the
applicant's rear yard slope (which is the third bar from the top of the applicant's deck
handrail) and trimmed to that level on a semi-annual basis beginning in June and again
in December. City Clerk Purcell announced that notice had been duly published and
that all protest letters had been included in the agenda packet.
Project Coordinator Nelson presented the staff report of November 4,1998 and the
recommendation to adopt the proposed resolution affirming the decision of the View
Restoration Commission, and approving View Restoration Request No. 1 upon finding
that all applicable findings have been correctly made and all provisions of Section
17.02.040 (C)(2) have been complied with.
Ken Dyda, 5715 Capeswood Drive, stated that the View Restoration Commission's
decision that the foliage was to be trimmed to eight feet from the bottom of the view
owner's rear yard slope was not reflected in the resolution which said that the foliage
was to be trimmed to the third bar from the top of the deck handrail.
Captain Padam Singh, 5714 Wildbriar Drive, said that he had complied with
instructions give to him, that he did not see the need to make a change but that the City
Council's job was to make this determination.
Council discussion centered on the changes made to View Restoration procedures
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since 1990 when the word "significant" was added. The View Restoration Commission
had ruled on significance and the trees addressed in the original View Restoration
Permit were to be trimmed at a different level than the trees addressed in the View
Preservation Permit.
Ken Dyda added that the measurement was taken from the chain link fence but his
property line was actually farther down the slope which meant that the trimming should
really be to the lowest bar, fourth from the top, of the deck rail.
Captain Singh disagreed, stating that the third rail from the top was correct.
Further discussion centered on how the two sets of trees on the foliage owners
property which would now be trimmed to different levels could be made consistent and
to eliminate additional cost to the foliage owner for more frequent trimming. It was felt
that because these plants are more hedge-like than tree-like, an additional foot should
not harm the foliage and should not reduce privacy.
The City Attorney opined that the View Restoration Commission could not change their
original decision but they could change this last decision for consistency with the
trimming level of all foliage.
Captain Singh believed that the extra foot would reduce his privacy.
Council replied that the View Restoration would reconsider their decision based on the
correct measurement of eight feet from the bottom of the view owner's rear yard slope
and consider privacy issues.
Mayor Ferraro closed the public hearing.
Mayor Pro Tem Hollingsworth moved to uphold the appeal and remand this item to the
View Restoration Commission in an attempt to make the level of the two sets of trees
consistent. The motion was seconded by Councilman Byrd The motion carried.
REGULAR BUSINESS:
Ocean Trails - Review of Bicycle Path, Pedestrian Trail, and Wall (1203 x 1411)
Mayor Pro Tem Hollingsworth reported that he had met with the developer and the
homeowners association and appeared before the Coastal Commission regarding this
bike trail.
Associate Planner Pfost presented the staff report of November 4,1998 and the
recommendation to approve the location of the West End Bicycle Path, West End
Pedestrian Trail, and block wall along the Western boundary of the Ocean Trails
project site.
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John Hussey, 4184 Maritime Road, president of the Community Association for Tract
16540, stated that the association supported the staff recommendation except it
believed a wall was necessary for the entire length of the property for security
purposes. He said that some lot line adjustments were necessary. He requested that
the City accept Lot D and that it be maintained by the developer.
Ron Marecich, 4125 Maritime Road, said he is agreeable to the wall if he can keep the
gate which is used by his family on a daily basis.
Ken Zuckerman, owner of Ocean Trails, thanked Mayor Pro Tem Hollingsworth for his
critical assistance with the Coastal Commission and said he hoped that the City would
accept Lot D. He said he was willing to build whatever wall was acceptable to all parties
concerned.
John Hussey clarified that two homeowners disagreed with the proposed wall: one
wanted the gate; the other did not want the wall to go past his garage. He said that the
association was willing to accept the gate as long as it was locked and would accept
the wall to the garage as long as the homeowner provided a barrier around his entire
property.
Ken Zuckerman mentioned another homeowner who did not want his current wall
replaced. He said he was willing to build the new wall to abut the existing wall and
would resurface the Ocean Trails side to match.
Councilman Byrd moved to approve the location of the West End Bicycle Path, West
End Pedestrian Trail, and block wall along the Western boundary of the Ocean Trails
project site with the addition of a gate at one of the properties. The motion was
seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Hollingsworth. The motion carried.
Negotiation of the Cable Television Franchise Renewal Agreement (605 x 1101)
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, cautioned the City in negotiating this agreement
and made reference to a Los Angeles Times article which she had distributed.
Due to the lateness of the hour, it was the consensus to continue this matter to
November 17, 1998.
Seacliff Hills Street Vacation (1204 x 1408)
Due to the lateness of the hour, it was the consensus to continue this matter to
November 17, 1998.
PUBLIC COMMENTS:
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, referring to Mr. Abrams' comment that Ms. Newton
had not obtained a solicitation permit to have a petition signed, stated that she did not
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know such a permit was necessary.
Staff confirmed that no such permit was required to obtain signatures on a petition.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 12:25 A.M. on the motion of Mayor Ferraro.
MAYOR
ATTEST:
CITY CLERK
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