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RANCHO PALOS VERDES CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 20, 2001
The meeting was called to order at 6:00 P.M. by Mayor Lyon at Fred Hesse Community
Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard and was immediately recessed to a closed session
per the Brown Act Checklist. At 7:00 P.M. the meeting reconvened
After the Pledge of Allegiance, roll call was answered as follows:
PRESENT: Ferraro, Gardiner, McTaggart, Stern, and Mayor Lyon
ABSENT: None
Also present were City Manager Les Evans; Assistant City Manager Carolynn Petru;
City Attorney Carol Lynch; Director of Planning, Building, and Code Enforcement Joel
Rojas; Director of Public Works Dean Allison; Director of Finance Dennis McLean;
Deputy Public Works Director Don Noble; City Clerk/Administrative Services Director Jo
Purcell; and, Deputy City Clerk/Recording Secretary Jackie Drasco.
RECYCLING DRAWING:
The winner from the last drawing was Santanu Basu, who will receive a check for $250,
which represents a year of free refuse service. Another card was selected.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
Councilman Stern moved, seconded by Mayor Pro Tem McTaggart, to approve the
agenda, as presented. Motion carried.
APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR:
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, inquired about several items on the Register of
Demands.
Mayor Lyon informed Ms. Larue that the Finance Director would be able to answer her
questions.
Mayor Pro Tern McTaggart moved, seconded by Councilman Stern, to approve the
Consent Calendar as follows:
Motion to waive full reading
Adopted a motion to waive reading in full of all ordinances presented at this meeting
with consent of the waiver of reading deemed to be given by all councilmembers after
the reading of the title.
Engineering Services For Signal Design
(1) Awarded a professional services contract to Willdan Associates for the design of
the new traffic signal at Vallon Drive, in the amount of $11,755. (2) Authorized staff to
spend the contract amount plus an additional $1,245 for possible extra services for a
total authorization of $13,000. (3) Authorized the Mayor and the City Clerk to execute a
contract with Willdan Associates, Inc.
Resol. No. 2001 -93 - Annual Destruction of Records
ADOPTED RESOLUTION NO. 2001 -93, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES AUTHORIZING THE DESTRUCTION OF
CERTAIN CITY RECORDS AS PROVIDED BY SECTION 34090 OF THE
GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, MAKING CERTAIN
CHANGES TO EXISTING RETENTION SCHEDULES, AND AMENDING
RESOLUTION NO. 2000 -85.
Claim Against The City by John Shahin
Rejected the claim and direct the City Clerk to notify the claimant of Council's action.
Claim Against The City by Steve Finazzo
Rejected the claim and direct the City Clerk to notify the claimant of Council's action.
Resol. No. 2001 -94 - Register of Demands
ADOPTED RESOLUTION NO. 2001 -941 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF RANCHO PALOS VERDES ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND
DEMANDS AND SPECIFYING FUNDS FROM WHICH THE SAME ARE TO BE PAID.
The motion to approve the Consent Calendar carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Ferraro, Gardiner, McTaggart, Stern, and Mayor Lyon
NOES: None
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REGULAR BUSINESS:
Address Curb Painting
Director Allison presented the staff report of November 20, 2001 and the
recommendation to (1) Authorize staff to include address curb painting in the Annual
Residential Overlay and Slurry Seal Program. (2) Direct staff to deny future requests
for an encroachment permit for address curb painting.
Mayor pro tern McTaggart asked if estimated cost per unit was standard.
Director Allison indicated that the total estimated cost of $7,500 broke down to $6.00 to
$7.00 per unit, which was a standard charge.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart asked if that would vary by the number of curbs painted or
was this a set amount specified in the contract.
Director Allison indicated that the curb painting would be made part of the slurry and
overlay contract and that the City would be charged from $.00 to $6.00 per unit.
Councilwoman Ferraro asked if the slurry seal contractor would actually be painting the
addresses on the curbs.
Director Allison said that the slurry seal contractor would most likely hire a
subcontractor. He added that the quality of the work performed by independent
contractors in the past was not an issue but the intimidating collection procedure
directly from the homeowner had been a problem and this payment would now be
made by the City to the slurry seal contractor.
Councilman Stern felt that public education would be important so that residents would
know that the City would be painting addresses on curbs every seven years. He asked
how the City intended to prevent independent contractors from offering this service
directly to the homeowners and wondered if it was appropriate to adopt an ordinance.
Director Allison replied that an independent contractor would be required to obtain a
permit from the City, and this permit would be denied. He added that if the contractor
did not have this permit, the Sheriff would be called on for enforcement.
City Manager Evans felt that an ordinance was not necessary because the
Neighborhood Watch organization would alert the City if this became a problem and the
Sheriff would enforce the contractor's lack of a City permit.
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Mayor pro tem McTaggart related an experience in which solicitors two years ago
showed him a permit issued during the time Doug Hinchliffe was Mayor and this was a
period many years back. He was concerned that residents would not recognize an
invalid permit.
City Manager Evans indicated that information regarding businesses with City licenses
was on the website or the information could be obtained by calling City Hall.
Mayor Lyon reminded residents they could pick up a No Solicitors sign at City Hall
also.
Councilwoman Ferraro moved, seconded by Councilman Stern, to (1) Authorize staff to
include address curb painting in the Annual Residential Overlay and Slurry Seal
Program. (2) Direct staff to deny future requests for an encroachment permit for
address curb painting. Motion carried.
Comment Letter To The Regional Water Quality Control Board On The Draft Storm
Water Permit
Director Allison presented the staff report of November 20, 2001 and the
recommendation to authorize the Mayor to sign the proposed letter to the Regional
Water Quality Control Board outlining the City's concerns with the proposed storm
water permit.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart asked if the volume of water cleansed was about 23,000
gallons.
Director Allison said that was the approximate volume.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart thought the directives were unreasonable.
Director Allison agreed that the requirements were too broad and that it was difficult to
comment. He said that he had met with the Water Board and after the permit was
adopted, he would submit environmental information sensitive to the City. He hoped
that there would be improvement.
Councilwoman Ferraro echoed Mayor pro tem McTaggart's comments about the
directives.
Director Allison said that they seem to be a little better each time.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart said that development was not allowed in environmental
hazard zoning and this was the best place.
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Director Allison said that this was the area the City was suggesting.
Councilman Stern moved, seconded by Councilwoman Ferraro, to authorize the Mayor
to sign the attached letter to the Regional Water Quality Control Board, outlining the
City's concerns with the proposed storm water permit. Motion carried.
Resol. No. 2001 -95 - GASB Statement No. 34 Implementation
Director McLean presented the staff report of November 20, 2001, including a
recommendation to (1) Adopt the depreciation reporting method for the entire
infrastructure of the City. (2) Award a professional services contract to Harris &
Associates for the valuation of infrastructure assets for implementation of GASB
Statement No. 34, and authorize the Mayor and the City Clerk to execute a professional
services agreement with Harris &Associates. (3) Adopt the proposed resolution
amending Resolution No. 2001 -43, the budget appropriation for Fiscal Year 2001 -2002,
for a budget adjustment to the City's general fund.
Mayor Lyon remarked that approval of the recommendation would be very helpful for
citywide maintenance, including. the pavement management system.
Director McLean agreed and stated that the pavement management system had been
updated by Harris & Associates in the past. He added that several portions of the City's
infrastructure do have a records system. Certain segments do not and the City does
not have the staff to perform the inventory, therefore, hiring Harris & Associates is
necessary.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart asked if the City's inventory of furniture and equipment is
maintained using a bar coding system.
Director McLean said that not as part of this infrastructure; that a complete physical
inventory was performed about a year ago; and, that bar coding all City property is an
upcoming project for the Accounting Manager.
Councilman Gardiner asked if there would be financial reports as in the private sector,
such as balance sheets and profit & loss statements reflecting indirect and direct costs.
Director McLean replied that the financial statement presentation will be changed with
implementation of GASB 34.
Councilman Gardiner asked if, like in the private sector, there would be financial ratios,
comparisons with other cities.
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Director McLean responded that some of the information was part of the CAFR in the
Introduction section and more meaningful financial analyses will be included with the
implementation of GASB34.
Mayor Lyon said that direction normally came from Sacramento and the cities
have not been able to take care of infrastructure. She felt this would bring to the
forefront cities like RPV and might help with state funding.
Councilman Stern said that the recommendation was to approve expenditure of
$40,000 and option three included a field inspection and was a little more expensive.
He wondered why staff was not recommending a field inspection.
Director McLean replied that this was discussed with the auditors. For an additional
$10,000, the consultants will conduct surveys. He said that the infrastructure numbers
would be based on estimates, because it was not possible to determine the actual cost
of the infrastructure. Staff does not think surveying added sufficient benefit.
Councilman Stern moved, seconded by Councilwoman Ferraro, to (1) Adopt the
depreciation reporting method for the entire infrastructure of the City. (2) Award a
professional services contract to Harris &Associates for the valuation of infrastructure
assets for implementation of GASB Statement No. 34, and authorize the Mayor and the
City Clerk to execute a professional services agreement with Harris &Associates. (3)
Adopt the proposed resolution amending Resolution No. 2001 -43, the budget
appropriation for Fiscal Year 2001 -2002, for a budget adjustment to the City's general
fund.
The motion carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Ferraro, Gardiner, McTaggart, Stern, and Mayor Lyon
NOES: None
Ordinance No. 371 - Ordinance establishing regulations applicable to
skateboards, roller skates, inline skates, and scooters upon public and private
property
City Clerk Purcell presented the staff report of November 20, 2001 and the
recommendation to introduce the proposed ordinance establishing regulations
applicable to skateboards, roller skates, inline skates and scooters upon public and
private property and amending the Rancho Palos Verdes municipal code.
Ordinance No. 371 - Ordinance establishing regulations applicable to skateboards,
roller skates, inline skates, and scooters upon public and private property
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Darcy Judd, representing Peninsula Shopping Center and Westmont Plaza urged the
Council to approve the ordinance because of complaints from customers and retailers
about riders who zoom down sidewalks and through the parking lots. She said that she
agreed with these people that someone was going to be hurt, including possibly the
skateboarders themselves. She explained that skateboards get away from the kids and
one could take out a storefront and aside from safety, customers were being driven
away She said that the Sheriffs Department would attest to the success at Peninsula
Shopping Center.
Mayor Lyon suspected that a similar problem might exist at Miraleste Plaza
Deputy Randy Oviedo from the Sheriffs Department felt that Darcy Judd had explained
the situation clearly and that an undercover operation confirmed that the problem
existed at Miraleste Plaza and Carl's Jr. after school and on weekends and it was
observed that kids in front of Stuft Pizza were coming out between cars, just missing
vehicles.
Lois Larue, 3136 Barkentine Road, described raising her two sons and she felt that it
was wrong to prevent children in the City from enjoying their skateboards and that it
was wrong to allow the deputy sheriffs to wear guns at City Council meetings..
Councilman Gardiner said that he understood the safety concern but he felt the fines
were too expensive and that kids had to play somewhere. He wondered where they
would be allowed to participate in these types of activities.
City Attorney Lynch clarified that this ordinance was not a ban on these types of
activities but merely allowed a private shopping center to post a prohibition sign on their
won property. He emphasized that unless the City Council provided direction to staff,
there would be no ban on any City land.
Councilman Gardiner reiterated that he felt the fines were too high.
Mayor Lyon felt that it would be worse to have one of the children hit by a car.
Mayor pro tern McTaggart described an incident he observed at the Arco gas station at
Silver Spur and Hawthorne during which the proprietor called the Sheriff when kids
were causing problems with these types of activities and he said that by the time the
Sheriffs department arrived, the kids were gone. He said that this scenario occurred
constantly and he was concerned about safety and his personal liability. Mayor pro tem
McTaggart discussed skateboard parks being built in some cities and he wondered if
this could be a possibility at upper Point Vicente Park, where the noise from the
skateboards would not disturb residents.
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Councilman Gardiner agreed that this would be a good place for kids to burn energy in
an area which could be made safe for them.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart said that the City of Paramount had just recently completed a
spectacular skateboard park which was designed by the kids.
Councilman Stern noted that City Attorney Lynch made an important point that
businesses could choose to post the signs or not and he said that he felt it was
appropriate to ban children playing in parking lots even though kids did need to be kids
and have fun. He emphasized that the Council could decide what would be banned in
the parks. He agreed that the fines seemed too high.
City Attorney Lynch said that the Council could establish lower fines
City Manager Evans thought that possibly the Sheriffs Department might comment on
the possibility of giving a warning only for the first offense.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart suggested that the wording regarding the fine be changed to
indicate that the fine could be to a certain amount.
Mayor Lyon asked about the fine in Rolling Hills Estates.
Randy Oviedo believed it was less than $100 for the first offense
Councilman Stern asked how the Sheriff's Department dealt with the kids when they
approached them.
Randy Oviedo said that the habitual ones have been warned many times and he felt it
was not appropriate to take any action for a first -time offender. However, he was in
favor of this ordinance to provide a tool to alleviate this problem in shopping area
parking lots in the City. He agreed that many times the children were gone by the time
the Sheriff's Department arrived.
Councilman Gardiner commented that a warning to a 12 -year old probably meant
nothing and that the parent would have to be notified.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart noted that Rolling Hills Estates does not give warnings, only
tickets.
Randy Oviedo said that after a few citations are written, word gets out among the kids.
Councilman Stern spoke in support of the ordinance since it gave property owners the
option to post the sign or not and he also agreed that the Sheriff's Department could
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give a warning for a first offence.
Councilman Gardiner stated that the signs would not be heeded by the children and
that there had to be a way to get the message to the parents.
Mayor Lyon suggested publicity through the City's website, newsletter, and the reader
board.
Councilman Gardiner suggested that information be sent home from the schools.
Mayor pro tern McTaggart felt that a sign would be adequate notice and pointed out that
some of the children live in San Pedro and are residents of the City of Los Angeles.
Mayor Lyon noted that the reader board - is available to residents of San Pedro
The motion carried on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Ferraro, Gardiner, McTaggart, Stern, and Mayor Lyon
NOES: None
PUBLIC COMMENTS:
Steve Finazzo, 2175 Rockinghorse Road, spoke about his claim against the City and
said that he had wanted to speak to his item on the Consent Calendar but he had
arrived at 7:05 P.M. and the Consent Calendar had already been approved and his
claim denied. He distributed to the Council a handout which described and illustrated
his challenge to restore the view from his living room. He explained that some trees
had been crowned or never cut and that there was one branch in particular which was
impacting his view. He stated that within three months after trimming, the growth
returns. He said this has been going on for since 1997.
Mayor Lyon asked City Attorney Lynch if the Council has to re -open the item to discuss
it.
City Attorney Lynch said that this was not necessary if the Council was only going to
discuss the item.
Councilman Stern asked Mr. Finazzo if he had made a financial claim against the City.
Mr. Finazzo replied that staff had not been able to take care of his problem so he filed
the claim against the City.
Councilman Stern asked why the City would owe him money.
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Mr. Finazzo said because the job was not accomplished appropriately and the trees
were not trimmed to 25 feet all around as they should have been.
Councilman Stern asked staff if the foliage owner did not comply with the trimming
requirement.
City Attorney Lynch said that it was a complicated issue. She said that the View
Restoration Commission had determined which trees were to be trimmed and that there
was one limb which was not addressed and Mr. Finazzo felt that this branch impaired
his view. She said that the City had offered to cut back the branch at the City's
expense and that the Joint Powers Insurance Authority had offered to pay Mr. Finazzo
$400. She indicated that the most relevant component of Mr. Finazzo's case is the
regrowth after the foliage is trimmed. She said that the resolution drafted indicated that
annual tree trimming would be discussed each December. She closed by stating that
Mr. Finazzo was not amenable to the JPIA's settlement, JPIA rejected his claim against
the City and this is why the item was on the agenda.
Mr. Finazzo, using photographs he presented to the Council, explained that the trees
were trimmed two weeks ago and a huge branch was cut back, which showed more
sky, but not his city lights view.
Councilman Stern told Mr. Finazzo that to correct a view issue, he would have to work
with the City staff and the View Restoration Commission, and that the City Council had
denied his claim because he was not entitled to money from the City.
Mr. Finazzo said that his case was before the View Restoration Commission three
months ago and the Commission told him that they did not have the authority to re-
open the case and that he would have to request that the City Council re -open his case.
Mayor Lyon asked if the case would be opened in December.
Director Rojas said that this was when the annual trimming would be addressed.
City Attorney Lynch asked Mr. Finazzo about re- growth.
Mr. Finazzo replied that two months after trimming, the foliage grows back.
Councilman Gardiner asked if the correct branches were trimmed, or were some
missed.
City Attorney Lynch said that the View Restoration Commission's decision focused on
different parts of three trees and Mr. Finazzo feels that the trimming is not adequate but
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that he did not appeal to the City Council or to a court.
Councilman Gardiner clarified that the item on the Council agenda was to make a
decision regarding money to be awarded to Mr. Finazzo not to discuss his view issue.
City Attorney Lynch confirmed that money was the issue on the agenda and that Mr.
Finazzo based this claim for funds based on regrowth of foliage.
Councilman Gardiner said that a bad decision could be appealed but that issuing funds
to Mr. Finazzo was not justified.
Councilman Stern agreed that this was not the proper remedy.
Councilman Gardiner asked if Mr. Finazzo appealed the original decision.
City Attorney Lynch said no and explained that he could file a new View Restoration
application.
Mayor Lyon suggested that the Council could waive the fee for a new application.
City Attorney Lynch said that she had seen the photographs but she understood that
the View Restoration Commission had ruled that the foliage not included in the trimming
did not cause significant view impairment because the branches were in edge of view
frame. The Commission focused on the view from Mr. Finazzo's primary viewing area.
If Mr. Finazzo was unhappy with that ruling, his remedy was to file an appeal.
Mayor Lyon told Mr. Finazzo that the annual tree trimming would be reviewed in
December and said she hoped he received the action he desired.
Mr. Finazzo asked why the trees could not be trimmed 16 to 25 feet all around and why
the tree were not being cut on the south side of the property.
Mayor Lyon advised Mr. Finazzo that the Council could not address the issues of his
case.
Mr. Finazzo felt that the action being taken was different from that described when
direction was given.
Councilman Gardiner said that if proper action was not being taken according to the
direction given when his case was heard before the View Restoration Commission, staff
would need to verify this.
Councilman Gardiner said that it appeared Mr. Finazzo needed to visit the Planning
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Department, who worked with the View Restoration Commission.
Mayor Lyon suggested that Mr. Finazzo meet with Director Rojas after the meeting.
CLOSED SESSION REPORT:
City Attorney Lynch reported that no action was taken on the first item regarding
purchase of open space but that a report was received from the City Negotiator.
Regarding the first item of potential litigation, she stated that the City Council directed
her office to make a counter offer to Chandler Landfill.
Regarding the second item of potential litigation, she reported that the City Council
authorized payment to Ledsam Contracting.
ORAL CITY COUNCIL REPORTS:
Councilwoman Ferraro reported from attending the Palos Verdes Transit meeting the
following: ridership is up, most of the passengers are students, and some routes are
being restructured. From attending the West Bain Water District meeting, she reported
the following: because of the instituting of a two -tier structure for distribution and cost
of water, there is encouragement to buy water on a long term basis, hoping that
adequate rain will make a price increase unnecessary. Councilwoman Ferraro reported
that she, like Councilman Stern, had coffee with Tom Harnsberger and discussed the
Long Point project and the Filiorum property. She encouraged him to work with the
negotiator.
Mayor Pro Tern McTaggart said that he met with the same gentleman for a dutch -treat
lunch. He reported that Tom Harnsberger purports to be interested in finding a solution
to the development or sale of the Filiorum property.
Councilmember Gardiner referenced a dutch -treat lunch with the same gentleman and
he reported that his comments were similar to the ones in Councilman Stern's memo.
Councilman Stern read the memo he submitted regarding Filiorum acquisition, a copy
of which is on file with the City Clerk's office. He also reported on a Regional Law
Enforcement meeting that he and Mayor pro tem McTaggart attended at which
representatives from the Sheriff's Department and Fire Department and the District G
Emergency Coordinator focused on disaster preparedness with an update in light of
recent threats.
Mayor Pro Tern McTaggart reported from attending the South Bay Cities Council of
Governments meeting the following: The same Emergency Preparedness presentation
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was given at the Regional Law Enforcement meeting, the emergency coordinator
operates with a staff of one, there will be a planning exercise to encourage the
agencies to work together, the Sheriff's and Fire Departments are working closer
together as a result of recent events.
Mayor Lyon reported on her meeting with the newly formed Coastal Coalition, made up
of coastline cities and groups to groups interesting in protecting wetlands and
increasing safety at beaches. She said that she found the group to be cohesive and
worthwhile and said that it will be focusing on legislation and funding. She noted that
Mayor pro tern McTaggart is the City's other delegate.
Mayor pro tem McTaggart reported that he had received a lot of information from the
Coastal Coalition.
ADJOURNMENT: Adjourned at 8:22 P.M. on motion of Mayor Lyon.
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