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RANCHO PALOS VERDES CITY COUNCIL
ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING
SITE VISIT MEETING
DECEMBER 6, 2003
The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. by Mayor Gardiner at 3787 Coolheights
Drive, Rancho Palos Verdes, notice having been given with affidavit thereto on file.
Roll call was answered as follows:
PRESENT: Clark, Long, Wolowicz, Stern, and Mayor Gardiner
ABSENT: None
Also present were City Manager Evans, City Attorney Lynch, Director of Planning,
Building and Code Enforcement Rojas, and Senior Planner Mihranian.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Councilman Stern moved, seconded by Mayor Pro Tern
Clark to approve the agenda. Motion carried.
Ganado Trail /Coolheights Lot Site Visit. (450 x 1203)
City Manager Evans noted that this matter regarding the route of the Ganado Trail was
continued from the December 2nd meeting.
Planning Director Rojas noted that a Staff Memorandum had been prepared describing
the history of this trail, some of which had been discussed at the December 2nd City
Council meeting. He stated that the intent of this meeting was to familiarize the Council
with the physical layout of the site, and that most of the discussion on this matter will
occur at the December 16th meeting.
Mayor Gardiner agreed, stating that the site visit was to gather additional information on
this matter and to continue the discussion to the December 16th meeting. He noted that
public comments and questions were welcome, and strongly encouraged people to
attend the December 16th Council meeting.
Senior Planner Mihranian began his site presentation by stating that a public notice was
posted as follows: at the project site (3787 Coolheights Drive), at four different locations
at the Forrestal Nature Preserve, Ladera Linda, mailed to property owners within a 500 -
foot radius of the subject property, interested parties, and was e- mailed to listsery
subscribers.
Senior Planner Mihranian described the physical features of the property. He stated
that the property is 2.3 acres in size, and identified the physical boundary lines. He
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noted that the cul -de -sac design approved by the Planning Commission on August 27,
2002 is outlined in green tape, while the orange tape represents the building footprint
approved by the Commission. He identified the fuel modification zone mandated by the
Los Angeles County Fire Department, and then stated that the stakes with the green
flags represented the imaginary line that divided the property into two sections, a
residential zone and a trail zone. He noted that the imaginary line was not an arbitrarily
drawn line, but that much thought was given to it by the Commission. He stated that the
Commission factored in the acceptability of a trail, the surrounding topography, the
required fuel modification, and privacy for both the trail users and the property owner in
its decision. He noted that the line was changed twice by the Commission to provide
adequate access to the property.
He then discussed the background on the City's acquisition of the Forrestal property
and noted that the property was acquired in 1996 and is approximately160- acres. He
stated that the Forrestal property was once slated for a 47 -lot residential tract, that
included the subject property. He said that at the time the City acquired the Forrestal
property, the subject property was intentionally excluded from the transaction because
the developers intended to develop the lot with a single - family residence, which at that
time was approximately 2.46 acres in size. He briefly discussed the lawsuit and the
settlement agreement that resulted in a portion of the subject property being deeded to
Mr. Ortolano Jr.
Mr. Mihranian stated that at the time the City acquired the Forrestal property, there were
footpaths located throughout the property, specifically off Coolheights Drive, that
provided access to the Forrestal property from the Mediterrania Tract. He noted that it
was always envisioned that access from Coolheights Drive to the City owned Forrestal
Nature Preserve would exist. In fact, the Settlement Agreement required the dedication
of such trail easements to the City. He noted that the property owner had agreed some
time ago to dedicate, without compensation, the appropriate trail easements to the City
to secure public access to the Forrestal Nature Preserve. He continued, at the time the
Commission was considering the development of the subject property, on several
occasions the Staff Reports indicated that the exact location of the Ganado Trail was
unknown. According to the City's Conceptual Trails Plan, the exact route of the Ganado
Trail segment is also unknown and that the Plan merely states that the Ganado Trail is
a point -to -point trail that spurs off the Pirate Trail, extending towards the radar domes.
Senior Planner Mihranian then described the conditions of approval adopted by the
Planning Commission on August 27, 2002: the property owner is required to convey trail
easements to the City for the Pirate, Flying -Mane, and the Ganado Trails. He stated
that the Commission recognized the fact that the Forrestal Steering Commission was
overseeing the implementation of the Forrestal Management Plan, and that the location
of the Ganado Trail was not identified in the Management Plan. The Commission
conditioned the project so that the final placement of the Ganado Trail occur within the
trail zone, and be further reviewed and approved by the Steering Committee.
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Mr. Mihranian spoke of the Forrestal Steering Committee's review of the Ganado Trail
and noted that they were aware of the two point -to -point footpaths that could essentially
be considered the Ganado Trail. He identified these two trails as the eastern and
western trails, which were parallel trails that terminate near the radar domes. He stated
that the Committee considered various factors in deciding the final placement of the
trail, such as erosion impacts caused by ridgeline trails, privacy impacts, equestrian use
and its close proximity to residential neighborhoods, topography, and habitat impacts
caused by the required fuel modification. He stated that the Steering Committee
determined at its June 2002 and August 2003 meetings, that the western trail should be
designated as the official Ganado Trail. He noted that the Committee's decision was at
a noticed meeting and involved the participation of representatives from the
homeowner's association and the neighboring property owners. Mr. Mihranian noted
that a concern was raised that such a decision by the Steering Committee would
essentially close off access to a viewing area, referred to as "Sunset Rock," along the
eastern trail. He stated that the Steering Committee, in its final decision, recognized
that access to the "Sunset Rock" would be limited, and therefore selected a location
along the western trail, at a similar elevation, to serve as the new viewing area. The
Steering Committee also agreed that improvements to the viewing area would be
considered a project that would provide the public with an enhanced viewing area. He
stated that the Steering Committee never closed the eastern trail, and that it is
conceivable that the "Sunset Rock" could be accessed from the northern portion of the
property near the radar domes.
Mr. Mihranian noted that the City Council's acceptance of specific easements, including
trail easements, at its October 7th meeting was based on the Steering Committee's
decision and the Planning Commission's adopted conditions.
Planning Director Rojas emphasized that there were never any dedicated public trail
easements traversing the subject property, and that the footpaths used by the
neighborhood in the past traversed private property. He stated that references to the
City closing a public trail are inaccurate because public trails never existed within the
subject property and it was only now that the City was establishing public trail
easements.
Senior Planner Mihranian identified a trail improvement project being implemented by
the Steering Committee along the Pirate Trail route. He noted that the trail was
realigned to address safety concerns, and is only partially completed and that it will be
re- vegetated to create a physical barrier between the trail and the cliffs of the Quarry
Bowl.
Mr. Rojas identified coastal sage scrub that is home to the federally protected
gnatcatcher. He briefly explained the purpose of the Natural Communities Conservation
Plan (NCCP).
Mayor Gardiner asked is there were any questions.
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Councilman Wolowicz asked where the eastern and western trails merged.
Senior Planner Mihranian noted that the trails merge approximately one - quarter mile
from the subject property.
Councilman Wolowicz then asked where the eastern ridge trail began.
Senior Planner Mihranian identified the location.
Mayor Pro -Tem Clark asked Staff how much of the lot was private property and how
much area has been deeded to the City in the form of easements.
Senior Planner Mihranian noted that the subject property is approximately 2.3 acres in
area and that 51 % of the lot has been conveyed to the City in the form of easements,
including the trail easements, an open space conservation easement and the cul -de -sac
turn - around easement. He noted that these easements have been conveyed to the City
without monetary compensation.
Mayor Gardiner asked to view the trails in question.
Senior Planner Mihranian stated that there were three options to consider: 1) Hike both
the western and eastern trails; 2) Hike the western trail; or 3) Hike the eastern trail.
The Council agreed to hike the western trail first, and then determine whether to hike
the eastern trail. Before proceeding on the hike, a representative from the City of
Rolling Hills informed the Council that any trails being considered should not enter the
City of Rolling Hills.
No minutes were taken during the Council's physical hike.
Mayor Gardiner, at the end of the hike, asked if there were any questions before the
meeting adjourned to the December 16th meeting.
Mayor Pro-Tern Clark asked what Mr. Nassiri's, the subject property owner, schedule is
to construct his residence.
Mr. Nassiri responded that he would like to begin shortly after the Council renders a
decision at its December 16th meeting and the final documents for the cul -de -sac have
been signed and executed.
Mayor Gardiner asked if there were any outstanding documents that needed to be
executed that may delay the property owner from starting construction.
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City Attorney Lynch responded that it was her understanding that all the required
documents from the parties involved in the transaction had been signed and filed with
the escrow agent.
Mayor Gardiner asked that Staff report back at the December 16th meeting what trails
are defined and how they relate to the radar domes and the City of Rolling Hills. He
also asked that further information be provided to the Council regarding the outstanding
steps on the Steering Committee's Pirate Trail improvement project.
Councilman Stern expressed concern that it appears someone is taking it upon himself
to start cutting a trail that they would presumably like to see. He strongly hoped that
people discourage that kind of conduct on private property.
Mayor Gardiner asked if there were any further public comments.
A member of the public asked if the trail along the western ridge encroached onto
private property at the northernmost portion of the trail, which is referred to as the
"putting green."
Senior Planner Mihranian noted that the "putting green" was on City -owned property.
Barbara Dye noted that the route of the Ganado Trail was reviewed and approved by
the Forrestal Steering Committee; that the Steering Committee continues to meet twice
a month and that all the meetings are open to the public and encouraged the
neighboring communities to get involved with the Forrestal Nature Preserve and the
Steering Committee.
Planning Commissioner Mueller noted that the Planning Commission, in its review of
the proposed residence, considered public access to the Forrestal Nature Preserve; that
although the Commission did not determine the exact location of the Ganado Trail
route, they did consider various factors in their determination to create a trail zone, such
as topography, the require fuel modification, and privacy impacts.
Mayor Pro -Tem Clark asked Commissioner Mueller how many meetings were held for
this project.
Planning Commissioner Mueller responded that there were multiple hearings on this
item.
Mayor Pro -Tem Clark asked Commissioner Mueller if the Planning Commission's
approval of the residential project was appealed to the City Council.
Planning Commissioner Mueller responded that the approval was not appealed. He
also noted that the project conditions required specific agreements be executed
between the neighboring properties with respect to the cul -de -sac turn- around.
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Mayor Pro -Tem Clark asked the City Attorney if all the easements had been recorded.
City Attorney Lynch noted that all the required trail easements had been recorded and
that the cul -de -sac easements were pending recordation.
Paul Tetreault noted that he has been attending the Forrestal Steering Committee
meetings for the past several months as an interested party and noted that the Steering
Committee has been receptive to his input.
Sunshine noted that it was her understanding based on aerial information that the
location where the western and eastern ridgeline trail merge is in the City of Rolling
Hills.
Planning Director Rojas clarified that both trails are located in the City of Rancho Palos
Verdes and that the entire "putting green" is also located within the City boundary.
Barbara Dye noted that both trails are in the City of Rancho Palos Verdes, however, the
current trail route to the radar domes is within the City of Rolling Hills, but a trail can be
built that connects Forrestal to the radar domes within the City limits. She noted that
additional studies and review would be needed before such a trail can be built.
Councilman Long strongly encouraged staff and the public to hike up the eastern ridge
and return down the western ridge to understand the physical condition of the site. He
explained how he hiked the crossover between the two trails.
Mayor Gardiner asked if there were any further questions.
Mayor Gardiner thanked the public for attending the site visit meeting and noted that
this matter would be continued to the December 16th Council meeting.
ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting adjourned at 4:45 D.M. on motion of Mavor Gardiner.
Attest:
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