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RANCHO PALOS VERDES CITY COUNCIL
ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 30, 2005
The meeting was called to order at 7:07 p.m. by Mayor Clark at Fred Hesse Community
Park, 29301 Hawthorne Boulevard, Rancho Palos Verdes, notice having been given
with affidavit thereto on file.
Roll call was answered as follows:
PRESENT: Long, Gardiner, Stern, Wolowicz, Clark
ABSENT: None
Also present were City Manager Les Evans; City Attorney Carol Lynch; Assistant City
Manager /City Clerk Carolynn Petru; Deputy Director of Planning Greg Pfost; and Senior
Planner Ara Mihranian.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Assistant City Manager /City Clerk Petru.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
Councilman Gardiner moved, seconded by Councilman Long, to approve the Agenda.
REGULAR NEW BUSINESS:
717 Via La Cuesta, Palos Verdes Estates (Appeal of Planning Commission to the
Palos Verdes Estates City Council) (310)
Senior Planner Mihranian provided the staff report using a PowerPoint slide
presentation, highlighting concerns regarding the size, height, view impact and grading
associated with a new single family residence proposed to be built in Palos Verdes
Estates, immediately adjacent to the City's Grandview Park property. He described the
design changes that had already been made to the project as a result of the public
hearing process before the Palos Verdes Estates Planning Commission and reviewed
the additional conditions of approval that had been added regarding the placement of
fencing and vegetation along the rear property line.
Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz asked about the differences between Rancho Palos Verdes'
and Palos Verdes Estates' development standards, as they applied to this specific
project.
Senior Planner Mihranian indicated that the City of Rancho Palos Verdes had a view
ordinance that, if the subject property were located in this city, a Fence, Wall and
Hedge Permit would be required and would include a view analysis.
Mayor Clark pointed out that in the City of Rancho Palos Verdes, a single family
residence was allowed to be 16 feet by right if it met all of the other development
standards and asked if the City of Palos Verdes Estates had the same type of
provision.
Senior Planner Mihranian referred the question to Director of Planning Allan Rigg from
the City of Palos Verdes Estates, who was present in the audience.
Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz asked for clarification of the action that was being requested.
City Attorney Lynch responded that several of the adjacent neighbors were requesting
that the City Council appeal the PVE Planning Commission's decision to the PVE City
Council.
Senior Planner Mihranian noted that the deadline for filing an appeal was August 31,
2005 at 5:00 p.m.
Councilman Gardiner asked if the project met Palos Verdes Estates' development
standards and asked if the parties were working on a compromise to address the
adjacent Rancho Palos Verdes resident's concerns.
Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz indicated that he had met with the property owner for the first
time the prior day and that after reading Mr. Connelly's letter; he suggested that the two
meet and attempt to work out a compromise. Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz requested that
the Council's discussion focus on common ground rather than rehashing the history of
the project.
Councilman Stern indicated that the question before the Council was whether to appeal
the PVE Planning Commission's decision or not. He asked that if an appeal was not
filed by the deadline, would there still be sufficient time to come to a reasonable
agreement and wondered if the City would need to submit an appeal just to keep the
discussion open until the parties could arrive at a compromise. He indicated that the
neighbors had offered to pay the appeal fee.
Councilman Gardiner indicated that he did not want to be perceived as dragging the
process out unnecessarily.
Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz noted that the Council was playing catch up on this issue as
evidenced by the fact that it had not been provided with a prior written staff report on
this item and then received a large amount of late correspondence at the meeting that
evening. He indicated that he abhorred a quick decision by any governmental body.
Mayor Clark thanked Director of Planning Rigg for attending the Council meeting and
asked him to summarize the PVE Planning Commission's action regarding this project
and to describe the process PVE normally followed in these cases.
Allan Rigg, City of Palos Verdes Estates Director of Planning, provided an overview of
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PVE's process and neighborhood compatibility ordinance, as well as how view and
privacy issues were addressed. He indicated that Palos Verdes Estates did not judge a
project based on how much the applicant had changed the plans from the original
proposal through the course of the review process, but on the merits of the final project
alone. He commented on the fact that the PVE Planning Commission was hesitant to
tie the project to mitigation that would take place on an adjacent property, and only
included conditions of approval that were under the property owner's complete control.
Mr. Rigg further commented that he had never seen the PVE Planning Commission
include conditions regarding a rear yard fence because it was not an issue within the
authority of the PVE neighborhood compatibility ordinance. He mentioned, however,
that his staff was able to convince the Palos Verdes Homes Association to allow shrubs
to be planted in the 6 -foot wide parkway strip located at the rear of the property with
shrubs, rather than the usually required trees. Mr. Rigg also noted that the fence and
shrubbery would block the view rather than the proposed house. He indicated that the
City of Palos Verdes Estates did not have an ordinance regarding foliage on private
property and that residents in adjacent jurisdictions had no standing with the Palos
Verdes Homes Association to request regulation of private foliage. He noted that the
City of Palos Verdes Estates only regulated trees on City parkland that were blocking
views.
Mr. Rigg felt that the only possible basis for an appeal from the City of Rancho Palos
Verdes would be if the Council felt that the PVE Planning Commission had not made
the required findings properly. Regarding the idea of re- grading the property to lower
the fence height, he felt that this could be done through a private agreement between
the parties or through a Minor Modification, which would have the same force and effect
as the original project approval. The final alternative would be for the RPV City Council
to appeal the PVE Planning Commission's decision. He opined, however, that the PVE
City Council would be reluctant to modify the rear fence due to the city's existing code
restriction.
Mayor Clark asked Mr. Rigg who would approve the Minor Modification.
Mr. Rigg responded that he, as the Director of Planning, could approve a Minor
Modification without having to go back to the Planning Commission. He added,
however, that he would not approve it if he felt that the Planning Commission would
have disapproved of the change to the project.
Mayor Clark asked if the PVE Development Code tied the height of the foliage on a
particular lot to the height of the structure.
PVE Director of Planning Rigg responded that it did, but through a slightly different
process than in Rancho Palos Verdes.
Mayor Clark asked what the height was of the proposed house.
Mr. Rigg responded hat he didn't know off hand, but indicated that the proposed house
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was more than one story in height.
Councilman Stern asked about PVE's appeal process.
Mr. Rigg indicated that if an appeal was filed, the hearing would probably be held on
September 27, 2005 unless the property owner requested a postponement.
In response to a question from Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz, Mr. Rigg indicated that he
understood that there had been a discussion between the parties.
Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz asked if the proposed modifications to the project would fall
under a Minor Modification.
Mr. Rigg responded that he needed more information about the proposed modifications
before determining if a Minor Modification was practical.
Councilman Gardiner asked if an appeal needed to be made in order for a Minor
Modification to take place.
PVE Director of Planning Rigg indicated that it would not.
Councilman Stern observed that an appeal would only be needed in case the Minor
Modification did not occur, otherwise the property owner had a vested right to proceed
on the basis of their approved plans.
Councilman Gardiner clarified that the City would appeal in order to provide enough
time for a Minor Modification permit to be worked out.
Councilman Long concurred with Councilman Stern's point and added that with no
appeal, the property owner had no motivation to complete and memorialize the
compromise.
City Attorney Lynch indicated that another option the Council may want to consider
would be to authorize staff to file the appeal unless a Minor Modification was worked
out before the appeal deadline.
Councilman Long indicated that the threat of an appeal from the City of Rancho Palos
Verdes was the motivating factor behind the parties' desire to work out a compromise.
Director of Planning Rigg indicated that the City Attorney's suggestion had tremendous
advantage.
Mayor Clark indicated that PVE Mayor Abbott had contacted him in order to visit the
property and to try to arrive at a compromise without having to go through the appeal
process.
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Councilman Gardiner suggested a 15- minute recess to allow the parties to meet and
see if the suggested solution could be worked out.
Councilman Stern observed that the suggested compromise involved grading on the
City's park property and asked staff if that was workable.
City Attorney Lynch indicated that staff would like to hear the proposal first and assess
it before making such a judgment.
Mayor Clark liked the idea of calling a recess in order to the parties to meet and confer.
City Attorney Lynch suggested the Council hear the applicant's proposal before taking a
recess.
Deepak Chopra, property owner of 717 Via La Cuesta, Palos Verdes Estates, said that
he was not previously aware of that evening's meeting and only found out about it by
accident that same day. He indicated that he was interested in finding a compromise,
but he said that many people didn't seem to realize that this was a private lot. He
elaborated that he has had to deal with people illegally dumping on the lot and pushing
down the proposed building silhouette. He indicated that he finally had to temporarily
fence the property in order to eliminate the nuisance. Mr. Chopra explained that the
permanent fencing was for privacy and security reasons and indicated that he paid $3
million for the lot. He noted that he had the right to build a 6 -foot high fence and grow
as much foliage as he wanted under the Palos Verdes Estates' ordinances, but
indicated that he wanted to be a good neighbor. He explained that the solution under
discussion would require regarding Grandview Park in order to preserve the view from
this property and that he was willing to cover the cost of such grading, if it was between
$10,000 and $15,000. He indicated that if the City of Rancho Palos Verdes appealed
the PVE Planning Commission's decision, he would no longer be willing to negotiate a
compromise. In answer to. a question from Councilman Stern, Mr. Chopra indicated
that he did not want to assume the responsibility for re- grading Grandview Park, but
was willing to pay the cost to do it.
Mayor Pro Tern asked what liability issues might be involved in this suggested solution.
City Attorney Lynch responded that Mr. Chopra probably did not want to assume the
liability of grading on someone else's property.
Mayor Pro Tern asked if a liability release could be granted to a private property owner.
Mr. Chopra indicated that he was willing to install a fence and grade on his own
property and was willing to write a check to pay for the City's cost to re -grade
Grandview Park, but did not want to perform any work on the City's property.
Tony Ashai, project architect, informed Council that the problem was not associated
with the height of the proposed residence, but the height and location of the rear fence.
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He explained how they were proposing to re -grade the rear of the property in order to
create view corridor through Mr. Chopra's lot, as seen from the City's park. He
indicated that they could develop a written agreement to this effect that included a
drawing of the proposed grading.
Recess and Reconvene
Mayor Clark declared a 20- minute recess at 8:17 p.m. and reconvened it at 8:45 p.m.
Ma Y Y Y yor�Clark asked the City Attorney to summarize the solution that had been worked
out during the break.
City Attorney Lynch reported that the parties met during the break; Mr. Chopra wrote
out and submitted a Minor Modification request to PVE Director of Planning Rigg to
grade the read yard in order to lower the fence; and she had written an agreement
between the City and Mr. Chopra in which he agreed to submit a grading plan to the
City to remove 2 feet of earth from Grandview Park and redistribute the dirt onsite; the
City would review Mr. Chopra's grading plan at its own expense; Mr. Chopra would
complete the work; and the City would hold Mr. Chopra harmless once the grading was
completed and certified.
PVE Director of Planning Rigg confirmed that what City Attorney Lynch reported was
consistent with his understanding, noting one addition had also been added to the
Minor Modification to limit the height of any vegetation along the south garden area to
10 feet to further protect the view corridor over the property. He suggested that the final
language could be cleaned up the following day through a second Minor Modification to
incorporate the language that the City Attorney had drafted that evening. He observed
that the City could still rely on the Minor Modification that had been prepared that
evening if the second one was not completed for some unforeseen reason.
Mr. Chopra indicated that he accepted the agreement City Attorney Lynch had written
and that he had signed it, but asked that he be allowed to show it to his attorney. He
also asked for some assurances that the City's actions in carrying out the agreement
would be timely so as not to delay his project.
Mayor Clark asked if there were any members of the public who still wished to speak on
this item.
Larry Connelly, Rancho Palos Verdes, thanked all of the parties and agreed that this
solution would work best for the neighbors
Mayor Clark thanked all of the parties for their cooperation in reaching a compromise.
Mayor Pro Tern Wolowicz expressed his appreciation to Mr. Connelly and the written
documents he had previously provided, which he felt had helped Council to understand
the project and the issues involved.
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Councilman Long moved, seconded by Councilman Stern, to instruct the City Attorney
to review the Minor Modification agreement for consistency with the Council's action,
and if there were inconsistencies, to authorize staff to file an appeal by the August 31,
2005 deadline.
Mr. Chopra indicated that his attorney would be unable to review the document by the
appeal deadline; that he objected to the proposed motion and would withdraw his
support of the compromise.
Councilman Long and Councilman Stern withdrew the motion and second, respectively.
PVE Director of Planning Rigg pointed out that Council had an approved agreement in
hand and that the only item that needed to be worked out was the language of the Hold
Harmless Agreement between Mr. Chopra and the City of Rancho Palos Verdes.
Councilman Gardiner asked Mayor Clark to convey the Council's gratitude to PVE
Mayor Abbott for making Mr. Rigg available that evening to help facilitate the
compromise on this matter.
Mayor Clark confirmed that he would carry the message and thanked everyone for
attending the meeting and working out a mutually agreeable compromise.
ADJOURNMENT:
Councilman Stern moved to adjourn the meeting.
Councilman Long asked if the Minor Modification agreement in fact obligated Mr.
Chopra to complete the grading on the City's property.
City Attorney Lynch confirmed that it did.
Councilman Long seconded the motion to adjourn.
Mayor Clark declared the meeting adjourned at 9:01 p.m.
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